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Bush Says Americans Should "Thank" the Telecoms for Illegally Spying on Them

Posted by Amanda Terkel, Think Progress at 2:16 PM on March 4, 2008.


Bush is implying that Americans who oppose telecom immunity are unpatriotic.
Bush: Americans ‘Ought To Say Thank You’ To Telecoms For ‘Performing A Patriotic Service’

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The Bush administration has launched an aggressive campaign to pressure the House into passing retroactive immunity for telecoms that participated in the government's warrantless wiretapping program.

Because they complied in illegally wiretapping their customers, telecoms currently face around 40 lawsuits. Yesterday in a speech to the National Association of Attorneys General, Bush sharply criticized Americans who are suing the telecoms:

Now the question is, should these lawsuits be allowed to proceed, or should any company that may have helped save American lives be thanked for performing a patriotic service; should those who stepped forward to say we're going to help defend America have to go to the courthouse to defend themselves, or should the Congress and the President say thank you for doing your patriotic duty? I believe we ought to say thank you.

Bush is implying that Americans who oppose telecom immunity are unpatriotic. But the American people don't owe the telecoms any gratitude. These corporations chose to break the law and profited greatly from doing so. (At least one company refused to comply with the Bush administration's request because it knew the actions were illegal.)

Last week in a letter to Congress, the Computer & Communications Industry Association (CCIA) -- which represents groups such as Google and Microsoft -- said that it "strongly" opposes retroactive immunity: "To imply that our industry would refuse assistance under established law is an affront to the civic integrity of businesses that have consistently cooperated unquestioningly with legal requests for information."

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And I thank you for wading in. There's a lot of legal complexities on the FISA renewal debate, but the real issue comes down to this: To defend the country, we need to be able to monitor communications of terrorists quickly and be able to do it effectively.

And we can't do it without the cooperation of private companies. Unfortunately, some of the private companies have been sued for billions of dollars because they are believed to have helped defend America after the attacks on 9/11. Now the question is, should these lawsuits be allowed to proceed, or should any company that may have helped save American lives be thanked for performing a patriotic service; should those who stepped forward to say we're going to help defend America have to go to the courthouse to defend themselves, or should the Congress and the President say thank you for doing your patriotic duty? I believe we ought to say thank you.

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Amanda Terkel is Deputy Research Director at the Center for American Progress and serves as Deputy Editor for The Progress Report and ThinkProgress.org at the Center for American Progress.


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The telecoms' own "thank you"...
Posted by: Gungneir on Mar 4, 2008 2:13 PM   
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According to Keith Olbermann, the telecomms are, for some reason, contributing little or no money to GOP congressional candidates, in spite of the retroactive immunity on the table. If this is true, then why is Bush even trying to push this crap down our throats?

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» RE: The telecoms' own "thank you"... Posted by: peacefullaim
Its gonna take a long time..
Posted by: bookie on Mar 4, 2008 2:44 PM   
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to get the smell of Bushit out of the White House.

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We owe our thanks to the people who are suing the telecom companies and fighting immunity
Posted by: Rune on Mar 4, 2008 2:48 PM   
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The criminals in the White House, who are refusing to turn over evidence of their unconstitutional searches of innocent citizens at the request of a few respectable committee chairpersons in Congress, are the ultimate targets of this struggle for legal accountability. They are being aided by the Democratic leadership that is on its way to making retroactive laws that will kill dozens of lawsuits against the phone telecommunications companies who took in unknown amounts of our tax money from the Bush administration to build vast new systems to allow every American to be spied on without any warrants or hint of wrong doing on the part of telecom customers.

Thankfully, there are some dedicated citizens who are willing to fight for the Constitution and the rule of law, even when their elected representatives will not. Here,some of them explain why they are doing it.

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Patriotism is just another word for Nationalism
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Mar 4, 2008 3:15 PM   
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...any company that may have helped save American lives be thanked for performing a patriotic service...

Trotting out the word patriotism... Fuck Bush.

Patriotism and Nationalism are designed for one purpose and one purpose alone, obedience to authority.

Anytime we ever hear the word Patriot, Patriotism, Patriotic being used to describe a belief, an action, or gather support for an issue we should all immediately turn on the speaker and start throwing rotten produce at the manipulative scumbag.

They are attempting to link an issue they support with the American Way.

Our country was founded on individual liberty not obedience to authority.

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Nothing to add
Posted by: Jeanne on Mar 4, 2008 5:58 PM   
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Can't resist: Bush is a moron. And this is further proof.

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It's sort of like...
Posted by: Suz on Mar 4, 2008 5:59 PM   
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...getting a good, hard smack in the face and then being chastised for not saying, "Thank you sir, may I have another?"

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Dear bush,
Posted by: Sushi on Mar 4, 2008 6:19 PM   
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I will thank you to STOP "saving American lives"...you are killing us! Your intrusion into our personal lives is nothing more than your own paranoia over your own stinking administration's rancid, reeking, fly-blown fumes. We know damn well that your sneaking around began long before the WTC attacks, and if you couldn't keep your eyes on 19 EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS ARABS with giant arrows pointing to them called YOUR OWN DAMN DAILY BRIEFINGS, what makes you think you can keep track of 303.5 million phone calls, emails to our mothers for chicken soup recipes and what we ate for lunch today? Your policies made us a target. Your incompetence made it possible. You now want to seem as if you're paying attention by snooping in our underwear drawers for a clue? Perhaps you should spy on your ARAB FRIENDS at the other end of your profits instead of spying on We the People. We are doing nothing more than losing the battle to keep home and hearth together, not plotting the downfall of civilization as we know it. (OUR only "plot" is figuring which orifice will we be pulling our next emergency-money out of.)

More likely, you are accumulating data to use for evidence in your habeas corpus-less courts so you can toss us into your work camps. (hey! free labor!) Of course all of YOUR highly suspicious information is SECRET. Why? Could it be because YOU are the one attacking the foundation of our country and not "evil-doers" you keep trying to scare us with?

With you "protecting American lives," many of us have lost the will to live. See those reports of random shootings lately? Those are domestic suicide bombers fed up and hopelessly living in the America you have destroyed, and they are taking it out on whoever is nearby! People are suffering, you clueless fuck! We now see nothing but suffering for the next two generations! (And just when we were beginning to enjoy the fruits of our life-long labors, you pee on the basket).

YOU, mr bush, are the greatest threat to American lives. We voted a Congress to impeach your sorry ass, but apparently you have photos of them fucking barn animals or something, because they suddenly got squeamish about challenging your obvious treason.

You are no saviour. You are a public enemy. I can only hope you will be nothing more than a really bad memory really soon.

Sushi
"The unanswered questions are not nearly as dangerous as the unquestioned answers."

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» RE: Dear bush, Posted by: PJAW
» RE: Dear bush, Posted by: ghost122
» RE: Dear bush, Posted by: peacefullaim
Turkey Day!!
Posted by: talkville on Mar 4, 2008 11:35 PM   
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Anyone enjoined to express gratitude to an oppressor or oppression must seriously be looked at in askance!

Ah, these benevolent masters who look upon me sight un-seen! Thank you, Lords! I bow and lay down in holy sacrifice my Dignity, my Self Respect, my Principles, my Life!! Train me more to serve you all-seeing, all-hearing ones!Our Holy Altruists Keep Us from Harm! Reward my eternal Trust in you and, if I should stray reward my un-grateful dissent with swift, harsh Punishment!!

Indeed these are days for Great Thankfulness!

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Just Keepin' Us Safe. Ha!
Posted by: QQOblivion on Mar 5, 2008 8:13 AM   
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In the news: The House Democrats have given the signal that they are ready to "compromise" with the White House on the FISA bill, and give the telecoms immunity, and give Bush most, if not all, of what he wanted in regards to domestic spying!

Who would have guessed the congressional Dems would give in completely!?
(Well, I did, as did anyone else with a brain. But I digress.)

Only in today's America can political allies of the president not only get off scott-free after committing traitorous acts against millions of Americans, but they will be thanked by out president for their mass-treason.

And Bush isn't "keeping us safe", in any case. This lying hypocrite's (Bush's) own policies and deregulation and lack of action have already led to the deaths of many many Americans. (Just ask those whose family members died because of lack of health-insurance. Then there are the lax regulations on drugs and food and consumer products. (*heperin* cough cough) Then there are the BILLIONS who could die worldwide due to climate-change. There is the lax border-security; there is Bush ignoring the warning on Al Qaeda. On and on. It never stops.)
No, Bush and friends don't want to spy on ALL of us so as to "keep us safe". That is the LAST thing they are concerned about. No, they want to spy on their political enemies, on America's own non-violent dissidents, on reporters, on everyday people. Bush and friends don't give a F*** about keeping Americans safe. They only care a F*** about keeping their OWN selfish lying criminal selves safe from ANY accountability! This really is literally the case -- no hyperbole at all.

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Why Is This Jackass Still President?
Posted by: drsivana99 on Mar 5, 2008 9:35 AM   
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I am way goddamn tired of hearing what Bush thinks and believes. He is a proven liar, thief and scumbag, and if by some miracle I could have five minutes alone with him in a room, I'd show him just how goddamn grateful I am for what he has done to this country and the world. Asshole.

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I'm wondering...
Posted by: Floresta on Mar 5, 2008 10:02 AM   
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if the Dems in the Senate and the House have been sneek-peeked, therefore creating the spineless majority presently ensconced in those hallowed bodies of govt.??? Just wondering, of course... hmmm

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» RE: I'm wondering... Posted by: Lauren
If the telecom co.s did not break the law
Posted by: surfreality on Mar 5, 2008 10:54 AM   
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they do not require immunity. If they broke the law, so did the administration. Immunity then absolves the telecoms from testifying on how the administration broke the law. It is beyond ridiculous to offer immunity for unknown crimes. It is by no means certain that the Bush administration has been truthful regarding the depth and scope of it's warrant-less wiretapping. It seems to me that the immunity that Bush seeks is an attempt to keep congress and the American people ignorant of just how egregiously they violated FISA and the 4th amendment. This has nothing to do with national security and everything to do with an administration that holds the view that they are above the law and answerable to no one.

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Quickly and effectively?
Posted by: mainspark on Mar 5, 2008 3:05 PM   
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"To defend the country, we need to be able to monitor communications of terrorists quickly and be able to do it effectively."

Now, what word is missing from the above quote? You know, the one he should have added?

I propose this one: Legally.

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Illegal President = Illegal Policies
Posted by: butterfly2 on Mar 5, 2008 4:22 PM   
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I used to think GW was pretending to be so very dumb. I now think he really is terribly mentally (as well as ethically, spiritually, emotionally, morally) deficient. He has lived a life of such extreme privilege that he has never known an 'average' American. It is beyond his ability to understand that the average American believes in the Constitution, Bill of Rights, National Law, International Laws, Honor, Truth, etc. He belongs to an elite clique that believes getting what they- and their corporation backers- want is all that matters. When anyone objects to their lying, cheating, warmongering, illegal acts, they launch personal attacks accusing you of being 'un-American, a 'terrorist', 'unpatriotic'. This smoke-and-mirror trick worked well for years; everyone was cowered. But it seems most Americans have tired of their disgraceful, disgusting nonsense.
The people on this site have done a lot to restore my belief in Americans. It will take years to undo the damage Cheney and Bush have done, but I think in Time, we can overcome the Idiots who have dragged this country so low. I hope future generations will learn from the hijacking that took place in 2000, and the 8 years of ongoing damage that ushered in, and will Never allow it to happen again.

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Court Order Necessary
Posted by: COACH0006 on Mar 5, 2008 6:41 PM   
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I do not know the specifics of what it takes to get the necessary Court Order for the Government to listen in on our conversations. I do know that there is a legal and an illegal manner to do so........There is a real Precedent in place that states that the U. S. Constitution is not to be circumvented in order to achieve National Security for our Country.

Semantics----Semantics----Semantics......Can try to circumvent the Legal Manner of the protection of Civil Rights of American Citizens, and when doing so, weakens the very Foundation that our Country was built upon. Use the legal, and proper avenue to listen in on U. S. Citizens conversations, then there would be no immunity necessary for the TeleComs.

Mr. President, you will be a private citizen in less than a year......Who will protect your Rights to Free Speech, once you are out of office? This is a concern for your Rights, as well as, all of your fellow Americans.

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» RE: Court Order Necessary Posted by: Lauren
It's no wonder...
Posted by: ghost122 on Mar 6, 2008 4:51 AM   
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...that everyone is always saying how weak the Democrats are. They have caved to everything Bu$hCo and the Repugs have asked for. They are still giving power to someone who should be a lame duck president at this point. They should be blocking EVERYTHING that the Repugs and this lying, murdering bastard ask for. Maybe if they would stand up to him and his cronies for once they just MIGHT be seen as having a spine.

I'm a Democrat, but I'm ashamed of our so-called "leadership". The first thing we should have done is held impeachment hearings on both Bush and Cheney. Then, we could have moved on to Bolton, Meiers, Rove, et al. ALL of them should have been criminally indicted for treason and war crimes and felonies of other sorts as well.

Thank the telecoms, you scum sucking moron? I don't think so!! YOU should be personally sued along with them!

*said in Bush imitation* See, heh heh, there's this thing...this thing called FISA, heh heh, that states you can wiretap anyone you need to without a warrant, heh heh, for three whole days until you can get one filled out. heh heh See, that means you can do it immediately in case of exigent "circumstatuals", ya know ...an "emergentSEE". Heh heh But that thing, heh heh, was "interfericating" with my ability to spy on my enemies. heh heh You know, the "Ahmuricun" people.

(yeah, yeah, you all...I KNOW he can't really speak this clearly or use those big words like "one", but I can hear the sick bastard saying this in my head, so you have to deal with the heh hehs!)

Forget impeach....INDICT!!!!

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» "interfericating". . . Posted by: peacefullaim
360guy
Posted by: 360guy on Mar 6, 2008 7:44 PM   
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did I not read that his 'spying'telecoms started their activities 9 days after he was sworn into office.... and yet he refers to the 9/11 'shock and awe' as the reason the telecoms were 'heh heh helping out.... Something stinketh me thinketh.... or were 'they' just pre-planning for the expected 'fallout' after the 'reichstag-like' fire storm of sept 11th 2001....

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