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Are Women Human? "Feminists for Life" Doesn't Think So

Posted by Amanda Marcotte, Pandagon at 9:47 AM on January 23, 2008.


"Women's rights are human rights" is a standard feminist adage, but anti-choice groups seem to think women are more like incubators than people.

When trying to think of an angle to write for Blog For Choice day, I was lucky enough to get this email from a reader asking me to look over a new attempt by Feminists For Life to recast anti-choice politics as somehow feminist-friendly, by arguing that allowing women to control their own fertility is a human rights violation. Now, I realize that most of us tend to think that “human rights violation” is traditionally about violating someone’s rights—their liberty, their freedom, their autonomy—and thus the argument that taking away women’s rights is saving women’s rights doesn’t quite make sense. But we’re from the old school feminist camp that believed that women are humans, with rights similar to those traditional human rights.

But FFL basically argues that we can’t frame women’s rights as human rights because women don’t have the agency to enjoy freedom.

However, we differ with Amnesty’s call upon all nations to ensure access to abortion for any woman who becomes pregnant as a result of rape, sexual assault, or incest, and would strongly urge you to consider the concerns and perspectives expressed in this and subsequent paragraphs. FFL supports the protection of women from abortion, which is itself a form of violence against women, and for this reason we appreciate Amnesty’s consistent efforts to protect women from coerced abortion. We therefore urge you to reconsider this aspect of your recently adopted policy on abortion, which we believe does not protect the rights of women and children.

We understand that your position is one which advocates access to abortion particularly in countries where rape has been used as a deplorable tool of cultural oppression and where the pregnancy may produce further discrimination and even persecution. This position was captured well in one of your press releases: “…Our policy reflects our obligation of solidarity as a human rights movement with, for example, the rape survivor in Darfur who, because she is left pregnant as a result of the enemy, is further ostracised by her community.1″ However, abortion is not an expression of solidarity with this woman; it will in fact compound her suffering and is an endorsement of her community’s unjust view of her. The rape survivor in Darfur deserves much better than abortion.

Rape is not just traumatic because people are mean to you afterwards, but this letter implies that’s the main issue. Considering that rape is a tool of genocide—the idea being that you’re forcing the hated people to bear the children of their oppressors—I’d suggest that women seeking abortion after a genocidal rape probably have good reasons outside of just “caving into pressure”. But FFL imagines women as single-minded baby-making machines, and any choices we make that go against that must be the result of oppression or force, because a woman can no more choose not to have a baby right now than a bird can choose to quit flying and get around with a teeny-tiny Volkswagen bug.

You can tell that FFL is just a right wing organization pretending to be feminists because their view of feminism correlates not with the way it actually exists in the real world, but with this image that right wingers have created of feminists. You know the argument—the only reason that feminists would seek justice for women is because we believe that women are weak little beings incapable of taking care of ourselves. That if you call the cops after getting beaten or raped, you’re just “playing the victim”, an argument that presupposes your average conservative man would be kind enough not to phone the cops after getting mugged, lest we accuse him of playing the victim and having no agency. Real feminists believe that women do have agency that’s cramped by the patriarchy. (Read Simone de Beauvoir’s classic The Second Sex for a really great overview of this idea.) FFL, however, seems to think that women’s agency is so limited that we can’t even choose not to have children. That it’s literally impossible for a woman to actively seek to control her fertility (because FFL is both anti-abortion rights and deeply unwilling to suggest that contraception might be a good way to prevent abortion).

It’s this belief—that women have no agency and therefore can’t really have rights to use in the traditional sense that we imagine men having rights—that explains how assholes like Issues 4 Life can argue with a straight face that abortion is genocide, that a woman who privately seeks out abortion might as well be, I don’t know, I guess raping herself in Darfur? It doesn’t hold up to much investigation, and as BFP points out, is a fundamental insult to black women who seek abortion (most of the time, as I say in the podcast, with the survival of existing or future children in mind as well as for their own survival), because it’s accusing them of genocide against their own people. How can anyone who claims to care for black people say with a straight face that black women should be prevented from managing their own lives? How can anyone wave the flag of civil rights while arguing that women don’t deserve rights?

See above: We’re dealing with a fundamental disagreement about whether or not women are human. Rights are based on the realization that self-determination is the best path to justice, and most discussions about rights are about what set of them best assists self-determination.* Issues 4 Life isn’t arguing that black women are committing genocide against their own people, because they reject the notion that women have the agency to make the choices, that some agency-possessing man is doing all the thinking there.

There will be a lot of blog posts today about the specifics of why women make the choices they do, be it to abort, use contraception, seek infertility treatments, have a baby, keep a baby, give a baby up for adoption, never have children, or have many. Most will be telling stories as part of the larger effort to argue this fundamental belief, that women are human and have agency and therefore have the same right to self-determination as men.

*Example: The argument over social welfare. I would argue that something like Social Security or universal health care is a right that helps people engage in self-determination, because it helps their economic decisions rise above mere survival. Conservatives would argue that high taxes squelch self-determination. Why they’re wrong is another post, but it’s important to note that everyone is arguing on the same terms at least.

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Tagged as: reproductive justice, pro-choice, abortion, roe v wade, feminism, human rights

Amanda Marcotte co-writes the popular blog Pandagon.


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Posted by: Xynyx on Jan 23, 2008 8:11 AM   
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if you haven't read "1984"

Doublespeak is fast becoming the favored tool of the right wing. We need to keep funding good, solid education to battle such nonsense... or we're going to end up fighting in the streets... if we're lucky... but more likely at our front doors, as they come to arrest us for Thoughtcrime.

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Andrew
Posted by: charela on Jan 23, 2008 8:50 AM   
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Nothing in your post addresses this basic point: Human life begins at conception. Science and right reason confirm this. Every human being that has ever lived or ever will live was "created" (came into being from not being) at conception. Science has proven that DNA is fully formed at conception, and defines what is there as a unique individual of the species homo sapiens. The USA was founded on the self-evident principle that all humans are created equal, and endowed by our creator (meaning God - not our parents) with the inalienable right to life. To support abortion as a valid practice, you have to either say the right to life is valid to take away (the ideas from the founding fathers about "self-evident" and "inalienable" and "endowed by our creator" are simply wrong), or you have to define the baby in the womb as not a true human being. If the former is your point of view, then with no right to life, all other human rights are trivialized or rendered moot. The latter is usually the case for abortion proponents. If you take upon yourself who counts as a human being and who doesn't, this is the highest form of prejudice. THIS FACT makes abortion genocide.

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Andrew
Posted by: charela on Jan 23, 2008 8:55 AM   
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If you deny the right to life to every human being, or advocate prejudice to justify killing an innocent human life, you must accept the consequences to society: our rights are slowly diminished; our country becomes sterile and cannot live beyond another generation or two. The side effects of abortion (that abortion proponents will stop at nothing to deny, hide or be willfully ignorant of) harm women, men, children, families, and ultimately society at large. ABORTION IS DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY, and many other Western countries too. It is destroying Russia and will destroy China. I invite your reasoned response.

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Andrew
Posted by: charela on Jan 23, 2008 9:01 AM   
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There is a basic adage that abortion proponents deny or willfully ignore: Having rights at the expense of others are not rights at all, but oppression that leads to tyranny. The "right" to abortion, made up by the Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade, is ALWAYS at the expense of the killed innocent child. If abortion is OK, then it paves the slippery slope for any person who is deemed inconvenient for any reason, especially those that cannot defend themselves, to simply be killed for the convenience of the strong. Can abortion proponents not see where this leads a society? Can abortion proponents not take on responsibility toward others? Is it only about themselves? Abortion proponents have no reasoned responses to these consequences of abortion. I invite your reply.

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Right to life?
Posted by: RobNLA on Jan 23, 2008 9:10 AM   
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So much concern about the life of the fetus, what about the life of the women involved? Even with all the advances of medicine, some women still die during childbirth.

What about the costs of prenatal care? Health care for the children after they are born, not to mention the costs of food, clothing, education and shelter?

So much concern about the life of the fertilized eggs and fetuses, but not a word about improving the quality of life for women and the children.

But this isn't really about protecting lives. It's about pushing your point of view onto others, and it's about control of women in society. That's why right to lifers don't focus on the women involved or about the lives after they are born.

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Get over yourselves
Posted by: kirktc on Jan 23, 2008 10:22 AM   
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You that are playing at being a strong women, go burn a bra, set in the backseat in a vehicle while someone takes you on a trip you have no idea how long it will take, and remember bug the driver with "are we there yet", while they try to distract you with things they find amusing. Try it, you could gain some insight? And you that want the women in the kitchen but actually mean in the drivers seat of life get in the drivers seat for a while by donating your time to the children that populate our world but make sure your vision isn't bleared so you miss what's important. Try it you could gain some insight? After this little exercise have a discussion if any points of view have changed or if your still stuck on yourself?

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"Pro-Lifers" need to put up or shut up
Posted by: sarahk on Jan 23, 2008 12:08 PM   
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Any of you that call yourself "pro-life" need to think about what you would do in the following situations.
- If you are raped, will you refuse to take the "morning-after" pill to prevent fertilization and pregnancy? Would it be evil of you to take it? Would it make you a murderer? Would God send you to hell for taking the "morning-after" pill? Is it up to God (and the rapist) if you are to become pregnant?
- If your daughter is raped, will you stand by your principles and demand she not take the "morning-after" pill? If you stop your child from getting post-rape treatment, and she gets pregnant, will you help her raise the child?
- What if you have an ectopic pregnancy (the fetus/baby implants & develops in the tiny fallopian tubes, not the uterus)? The baby is viable--except as it grows, it will burst through your tubes. Both you and the baby will die from massive blood-lose. Are you a murderer for getting an abortion to save your life? Is it God's will that you should continue with the pregancy and just wait for your insides to burst?
- Sometimes a fetus/baby's brain develops outside the skull. Abortion is the only medical solution as we do not have a way of protecting the brain once the baby is born. What if that was your baby? Would you get an abortion or will you give birth to a baby just to see it suffer for a day or two before dying?

If abortion is murder, than one in four women in the US is a murderer. This number, of course, includes lots of Christian women.

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autism and ultrasound
Posted by: o on Jan 23, 2008 4:52 PM   
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http://www.realsavvymoms.com
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the link between autism and ultrasound has been found, yet it never makes the headlines. why? follow the $$$$$$$$$$ autism struck at 10,000 to 1 just 20 years ago, today it is hitting 1 in 140 children in developed countries.

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When are you due?!?!?
Posted by: SalB on Jan 23, 2008 8:31 PM   
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Pregnant women are definitely sick of that question. Imagine if you found out during a routine doctor's appointment that your child had a condition that meant that it would die as soon as it was born. Say you're 4 months - not really showing too much yet - along and the only option is to abort. It really did happen to a co-worker of my mother's.

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Andrew
Posted by: charela on Jan 24, 2008 8:24 AM   
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I certainly sympathize with women who have experienced the horrible violence of rape. The only valid attitude toward rape is that it does injury to justice and charity. Rape deeply wounds the respect, freedom, and physical and moral integrity to which every person has a right. It causes grave damage that can mark the victim for life. It is always an intrinsically evil act. Graver still is the rape of children committed by parents (incest) or those responsible for the education of the children entrusted to them.

All the comments about concern for the new human being in the womb assume that it overrides concern for the mother. This is a lie. Nothing could be further from the truth. ALL HUMAN BEINGS deserve unconditional love. LOVE AND SUPPORT BOTH THE WOMAN AND THE CHILD. ALL HUMAN BEINGS DESERVE LEGAL PROTECTION OF THEIR LIVES. Abortion proponents cannot logically agree with this statement. Lying to women that abortion will not affect them physically, emotionally or their impact on society is the act that shows a total lack of concern for these women. Abortion only causes more problems, and solves nothing.

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Andrew
Posted by: charela on Jan 24, 2008 8:25 AM   
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You must, must, must address the responsibility all involved have on how legalized abortion on demand for any reason (and aborition proponents fighting against informed consent and parental notification laws - actions contrary to "choice") on the founding principle of the USA: the self-evident truth that all humans are created equal, endowed by the creator with the inalienable right to life.

The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being's right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death.

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Andrew
Posted by: charela on Jan 24, 2008 8:26 AM   
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The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined. . . . As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child's rights.

ABORTION DESTROYS LIVES. ABORTION HARMS WOMEN, MEN, CHILDREN, FAMILIES AND SOCIETY. ABORTION IS DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY. ABORTION DESTROYS. ABORTION CAN ONLY DESTROY.

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Andrew
Posted by: charela on Jan 27, 2008 2:13 PM   
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You have not addressed the fundamental point: upon what are rights based? Human rights exist as a result of our humanity - our existence. The USA was founded on this self-evident principle. Our existence starts as a one-celled zygote. All the denials and willfull ignorance shown cannot change this fact. If you deny one person the right to life, you trivialize the rights of all. I sympathize with individual situations, but all the self-centeredness and self-justification in the world cannot justify denying someone else the right to life. How valuable are human beings to you? To abortion proponents, human beings are whatever you decide them to be, and can be eliminated if deemed "inconvenient". This position only leads to prejudice, racism and a culture of death, not one with liberty and justice for all.

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constitutional rights
Posted by: oxheadone on Jan 28, 2008 3:11 AM   
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The US constitution says nothing about marriage, and similar issues; these are left to the states. Those concerned with the right of women have made a serious error in allowing abortion to become a federal issue. It is one of the key factors in making Bush president and is an excellent example of unanticipated consequences of well-intentioned acts. State matters should be left to the states. While this means much pain and suffering for the women located in backward states, taking the isssue out of national politics reduces the political power of the Catholic-evangelical conspiracy against the US Constitution.

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Andrew
Posted by: charela on Jan 28, 2008 11:59 AM   
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If late-term abortions are indefensible, then you must support overturning Roe v. Wade. If you support Roe v. Wade, you also necessarily support abortions for any reason throughout all 9 months of pregnancy. Read the Supreme Court decision. Abortion is a black and white issue: either you believe all human beings have a right to life (to be alive), or you do not. The USA was founded on the self-evident truth that all are created equal, endowed by our creator with the inalienable right to life. So, if you do not believe that all human beings have a right to life, you cannot at the same time say you believe in the fundamental principle on which the USA was founded.

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