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How Does a Religious Cult Have the Clout to Delay Health Care Vote?

Posted by Adele Stan, AlterNet at 12:30 PM on November 6, 2009.


To keep House vote on track, Pelosi struggles to appease the Catholic church and The Family cult on abortion language.
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Just when it seemed the stars were aligning for an historic vote tomorrow on health-care reform legislation in the House of Representatives, anti-choice Democrats are balking, saying that the plan would permit the indirect flow of federal dollars to fund abortion.

Led by Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., a member of the Capitol Hill religious cult known as The Family, and spurred on by the Catholic bishops, anti-abortion Dems are contesting the fact that some small number of private insurance plans offered via the bill's insurance exchange scheme may offer coverage for abortion -- even therapeutic abortion. Where the federal dollars come in is via the subsidies for which lower-income people would be eligible for buying insurance through the exchange.

Politico's Patrick O'Connor reports on the church's influence at the negotiating table:

Negotiators are working closely with the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops to finalize language the church can accept. Vulnerable anti-abortion Democrats don’t want to support any bill that the bishops haven’t signed off on.

Last time I looked, abortion was a legal medical procedure in the United States. The changes the church wants would virtually forbid abortion coverage, even for women carrying fetuses without a chance of surviving outside the womb. The church seeks to codify its contempt for women into U.S. law, dooming a woman already facing a tragic pregnancy to compromise her life and health -- mental and physical -- apparently for the sin of having had sex.

As the legislation stands, no federal dollars would directly cover an abortion, and the public plan will offer no abortion coverage. But that's not enough for the men of the cloth.

The question remains, of course, as to whether this is an issue truly of moral conscience, or just a trick for stalling health-care reform. At Michele Bachmann's disinform-athon yesterday on the Capitol steps, the Family Research Council's Tony Perkins alleged, untruthfully, that the bill announced last week by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi covers abortion, as did several members of Congress. The Family Research Council is a Republican-allied group.

 

Also creating problems for Pelosi is conservative consternation over the ability for undocumented immigrants to buy private health insurance -- using their own money -- through the exchange. Already locked out of Medicaid, the government plan for the poor, undocumented workers have few options for getting any kind of health care -- and few would be able to afford even the plans offered on the exchange.

Nonetheless, conservaDems apparently feel compelled to maintain a punitive stance toward the people who pick our produce and clean our toilets, in order to assuage the resentment of their constituents. Truth is, it's really bad economics to completely lock the undocumented out of health-insurance reforms, since they'll likely wind up in emergency rooms in the expensive, late stages of illness.

Hospital emergency rooms are forbidden to people away for ability to pay -- a circumstance that many Republicans would like to change. Their message: if the severe poverty your nation suffers (partly because the U.S. sucks up all the world's resources) drove you to cross the border at extreme personal risk so you could feed your family, you deserve to die a painful, untreated death. Nice. But until Republicans prevail with their death-camps-for-aliens plan, emergency rooms remain on the hook for the care of very sick undocumented immigrants, whose care we all ultimately pay for in the form of higher health care costs for all.

Meanwhile, mainstream media are speculating that conservative Democrats are getting wobbly on health-care reform because of yesterday's ugly unemployment numbers (10 percent nationally) and the party's gubernatorial losses in Virginia and New Jersey.

Neither of these rationales for stepping back from a yes vote makes a whit of sense. Health-care reform makes good economic sense, and it will serve as an economic stimulus as new jobs are created as the building of new systemic health-care infrastructures get under way. Our current health-care system, if you can even call it that, is a job-killer, not a job creator.

As for the east-coast governors' races, both turned on local concerns -- not health-care reform.

Now, can we all stop being stupid?

Lost in all this wrangling is the major coup scored by Pelosi yesterday when AARP, which claims to represent some 40 million Americans over the age of 50, endorsed the House bill, backing the bill's cost-cutting of Medicare through a crack-down on fraud and abuse.

The vote remains scheduled for tomorrow, but many expect it to be delayed until at least Sunday, perhaps Monday. Tomorrow, President Barack Obama will visit reluctant lawmakers on Capitol Hill, hoping to twist some Democratic arms.

Meanwhile, Republicans continue their disinformation campaign, seeking to convince fearful Americans that the health-care bill will end all private plans, force them to pay for frivolous abortions, cut benefits from Medicare, sink the economy and create a Marxist-fascist-socialist dictatorship.

Nice.

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Tagged as: catholic church, health care, barack obama, nancy pelosi, healthcare reform, bart stupak

Adele M. Stan is AlterNet's Washington editor.


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This is a Secular Nation
Posted by: ProudLiberal1947 on Nov 6, 2009 3:29 PM   
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This Nation embraces ALL religions, NO religion should be allowed any access or vote on any Health Care Bill.

one must remember looking at it from my perspective any religion that DOES NOT except the equability all ALL its members and their sexual persuasions is NOT a Religion but a CULT masquerading as Religion because by the very essence of the request that something should be illuminated because of that CULTS point of view is now instilling its beliefs on ME and depriving ME of MY RIGHTS.

These CULTS have the choice to use or NOT to use so that is NOT a problem and in all their books of Fairy tales in any CULT you read, money is SECULAR not religious or Cult ( well maybe cult as they always change the rules for the leadership).

Using conservative values is to say you are using Totalitarian and Dictatorial and Socialist governing for the whole must be served and worshipped, blind obedience. The proof their insistent whining about how they are left out, screw the Religious Right, they are Haters, Ignorant, Indifferent, Intolerant to anything but what serves their self centered perception of the way things should be. These people define the epitimy of EVIL.

Illuminated is being used to show how these Hate Mongers Light up a individual to serve THEIR Hate Mongering ways.

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» RE: This is a Secular Nation Posted by: Longdream
Stupak's District
Posted by: Arlene on Nov 6, 2009 6:41 PM   
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Michigan's 1st Congressional District, which encompasses the entire Upper Peninsula and the tip of Northern Lower Michigan has a lot of Catholics, some nominal, some not. That said, there is very little support for interference by the Catholic hierarchy into public affairs.

It will be very interesting to me to see if he brags about his role in limiting coverage for even therapeutic abortion in his quest for approval of the bishops when he runs for re-election next year. Unlike first-trimester abortions, therapeutic abortions where the mother's health is in jeopardy, can be hughly expensive.

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The US Conference of Catholic Bishops.
Posted by: Longdream on Nov 6, 2009 7:17 PM   
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Right.

Last I checked, the Bishops were presiding over the shutting down of one out of three parishes across the country. The inevitable fallout of the increasing conservatism that has decimated the number of faithful, which are failing to raise the shortfall caused by lawsuit settlements.

The insult of this is trebled because it's the Roman Church that's being called upon to pass judgment on "language". This is absurd. What language can be found to answer an absolute to the satisfaction of its guardians?

Also, are we supposed to believe that it's just the Democrats that are dicking around with abortion?

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mike Munk
Posted by: lastmarx1 on Nov 7, 2009 2:11 AM   
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It's even worse. Pelosi caves to the abortion opposition while at the same time reneging on her promise to allow a vote on single payer

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Bin Laden or the Pope - I report, you decide.
Posted by: Brez on Nov 7, 2009 3:00 AM   
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It's long past time we stopped putting up with these crazy christers in the name of tolerance. The taliban, retro nutcase catholics, evangelical idiots, muslim murderers - what's the difference?

The next time some crazy christer, maniacal muslim or jerky jew (Lieberman comes to mind) tries to sell you some of his fascist crap, tell him to fuck off and that you want nothing more to do with him (or her) NO MATTER WHAT YOUR RELATIONSHIP IS WITH THEM. Maybe if we all totally ostracize these lunatic idiots, they will go away and live in a cave somewhere.

No tolerance for crazy fascists. Hard to believe we actually have people like this in public office. Then again, there are actually still people out there who are republicans (I know, amazing but true).

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» Yep! Get rid of the lot. Posted by: wisegalah
One more reason to oppose all religion
Posted by: leland61 on Nov 7, 2009 4:49 AM   
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Religion is about as modern as the rack and burning people at the stake. Sane people need to oppose any voice of organized insanity and mass delusion in the public conversation.

No!!! Peoples'religion is not to be respected. Since when do we respect a physician who recommends bleeding to get rid of bad humors? Well religion is the same bit of medieval nonsense and has no place being respected.

People who hold to the idea that the earth is 6,000 years old not only do not deserve my respect, they deserve contempt for being deliberatly ignorant or pathetically stupid. What we really need in this country is a mechanism to weed out the stupid from any influence in public life. We might start with a universal test for eligibility for voting and holding public office. Only two questions needed.

Do you believe that either the Bible or the Koran are the word of god?
Do you believe that god created the world as it is - that is with all living creatures as they are?

A yes to either or both automatically eliminates that person from voting and from holding public office. We do not need to have masses of morons led by unscupulous snake oil salesmen infulencing elections or setting policy.

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Monotheism is humanity's worst invention
Posted by: ETSpoon on Nov 7, 2009 5:26 AM   
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Adherence to and membership in a fundamentalist monotheistic cult is mental illness.

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RE: This is a Secular Nation
Posted by: vasumurti on Nov 7, 2009 6:07 AM   
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A Roman Catholic priest, Reverend David K. O'Rourke, said, "Every religious group in the United States is a minority group. Some may be unhappy with this status and wish they had official standing. I am not unhappy with it. The Catholic Church, the largest of these minorities, has prospered greatly in this country where we separate church and state."

The Religious Right is still spreading misinformation about church-state separation and Robert Boston's book, Why the Religious Right is Wrong About Separation of Church and State (Prometheus Books, 2003) debunks it. This book uses everyday language to explain why the Religious Right is wrong about separation of church and state.

According to Boston, "We have a vibrant, multifaith religious society that, with the exception of a few fundamentalist Muslim states, is admired all over the globe. We have a degree of interfaith harmony unmatched in the world. Our government is legally secular, but our culture accommodates and welcomes a variety of religious voices. New faiths take root here without fear...

"Americans remain greatly interested in religion and things spiritual--unlike their counterparts in Western Europe, where religion is often state subsidized but of little interest to most people... Children are no longer forced to pray in school or read from religious texts against their will, yet they are free to engage in truly voluntary religious worship whenever they feel the need. The important task of imparting religious and philosophical training to youngsters is left where it always belonged--with each child's parents or guardians...Some European nations have passed so-called anticult laws aimed at curbing the rights of unpopular new religions. Such laws would not be acceptable in the United States or permitted under the First Amendment.

"In a multifaith society such as the United States," observes Boston, "a type of religious marketplace does exist. Religious groups that aggressively seek converts, such as the Mormons and the Jehovah's Witnesses, are well aware that people in the United States are able and even willing to change their religious beliefs. To these groups, it's well worth it to enter the marketplace and advertise their goods. Lots of people might buy them...

"Because the U.S. government is secular, religious groups are left to contend for members based solely on their own initiative. They create a free marketplace of religion that spurs competition and a vigorous religious life. This explains why the United States, which maintains church-state separation, retains a high degree of religiosity among its people.

"The more sophisticated and perceptive believers realize that the separation principle is a boon to their faith," notes Boston. "They see danger in any attempt by government to decide which religion is true and which is false. They know that a faith that is in favor with the government today can be out of favor tomorrow. These believers are thankful for the free marketplace of religion and the secular state that makes it possible. They understand that the way to get new members is through persuasion, not government aid."

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» RE: This is a Secular Nation Posted by: morticia
» RE: do you have a actual opinion? Posted by: WyrdSister
Tax the True Believers. Then let them work their magic.
Posted by: peterjkraus on Nov 7, 2009 6:14 AM   
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All these crazies live their lives tax-free. How does that comport with having the rest of us, the folks who lead real, productive lives, pay our income taxes every year? Why is the Superstitious Class treated like royalty? After all, royalty used to own the land and serfs, but the superstition peddlers simply keep their clientele knee-deep in bullshit.

So tax the fuckers, and then let them do their thing. If there are still enough "reverends" to do the work, that is. They'll probably all be on late-night tv selling timeshares, reverse mortgages or miracle weight-loss pills.

Which would benefit society greatly.

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Relax and Be Pragmatic
Posted by: idmaster2000 on Nov 7, 2009 8:15 AM   
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Relax and be pragmatic, people. Give this one away; support language that forbids the use of Federal tax dollars for abortions; then, all of you conscientious Pro-Choicers take $100 per year, give it to Planned Parenthood, and demand that they use this money to provide subsidized and free abortions.

This will get the health care bill through; is this the hill we want to die on?

Personally, I'm Pro-Choice but anti-abortion, and I really don't want my tax dollars spent killing unborn babies. What a woman does with her body and her fetus is her business, but I don't want my money supporting abortion any more than I want my money spent supporting Israeli invasions of Palestinian homes or propping up the false and untenable situation in Afghanistan.

And no, I'm agnostic, so don't marginalize me on the grounds of religion; this article makes some facile and specious leaps.

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» RE: Im sorry, pragmatic? Posted by: WyrdSister
SWhen will the anti-abortion crowd be asked to justify their ideas.
Posted by: ProfBob on Nov 7, 2009 8:52 AM   
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We often hear that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Your beliefs in the world being flat, that germs don't cause disease, that the world was created in 6 days in 4004BC, that 'human' life starts at conception. Why are erroneous or unprovable beliefs so universally tolerated?
The debate on abortion is merely opinion. Moral values are based on either self-centered, God-based or society-based non-provable basic assumptions. For the Catholic viewpoint let me excerpt from the free ebook series “And Gulliver Returns” (http://andgulliverreturns.info) The Abortion chapter in Book 4 elaborates the pros and cons of the 3 ethical assumptions. Let me attempt to summarize the changing Catholic position. From the 13th Century the views of St. Thomas Aquinas, that male embryos got their souls about 4 weeks after conception, females somewhat later, were the standard. His was a Christionized view of Aristotle’s ideas.
The crux of the modern idea, that the soul is infused at conception, might be traced to St. Paul (Romans 5:12) who started the ball rolling on ‘original sin.’ 500 years later St. Augustine popularized the idea. But the Blessed Virgin was born without original sin, her Immaculate Conception. Pope Pius IX declared this in 1854. Then in 1870 he decided that popes were infallible in church doctrine. So was his pronouncement retroactive?
Recent popes have generally followed Pius’s idea that the soul enters the zygote at the moment of conception. This brings with it some theological problems. Since many fertilized ova never implant in the uterus what happens to these little souls?
If you are really interested in the question, see the aforementioned chapter. It is done in detail.

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Abortion is distraction, greed is love, taking is sharing.
Posted by: eddie torres on Nov 7, 2009 10:16 AM   
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Is The Family anything other than an extremely rigid corporate-political fundraising conduit? Honestly, has abortion ever been anything more than a wedge issue and a cash cow?

But now Goldman Sachs and The God Squad have gone and dragged Jesus into it: from Matt Taibbi's latest blog, Goldman Sachs international adviser Brian Griffiths is caught addressing a clan of corporate stooges at St Paul's cathedral in London, saying "The injunction of Jesus to love others as ourselves is an endorsement of self-interest," which Taibbi equates with Gordon Gecko's "greed is good" mantra and "...the Orwellian propositions that greed is love and taking is sharing."

Taibbi goes on to shred Goldman's Griffiths as an agent of a cult of sheltered and inherited wealth whose invocation of God in the name of corporate capture operations should prompt some people in Congress to think twice about worshiping all these 30-something financial whizkids.

Taibbi's conclusion: "What a bunch of assholes!"

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SEPARATION OF Church and State
Posted by: Solar Wind on Nov 7, 2009 10:55 AM   
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Was not our country founded on this? Did we not flee Europe due to religious persecution? I am sick unto death of these lying hypocrites!!! The Family, my ass, just another bunch of lying a-holes that think they are chosen! Puh-leeze. And that Jesus wants you to be rich. I could puke. I have always deplored organized relgion for what it is - a bunch of controlling patriachs. From the article:
The church seeks to codify its contempt for women into U.S. law.
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And that, my dears, is what it's all about. Just like the Taliban and Islam, women are inferior beings. I call a BIG bullshit on all this bullshit! Basta! Stupid should hurt - intentional stupidity for your gains should be unbearable.

I question if there can be a god of any kind if these 'kind' of people (mainly men) can continue to screw up everything based on their fear of women.

As someone else posted - if the churches (Mormon and Catholic mainly) are going to be so obviously a political force - then TAX THEM and we can balance the budget, provide health care for all and probably improve our infrastructure. No more damn free rides when you are infringing on MY freedom!

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Gee, doesn't democracy for tyrants?
Posted by: franklyspanking on Nov 7, 2009 8:52 PM   
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n/m, just try a better argument next other than your neighbor having a different religion.

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I KNOW what the First Amendent says
Posted by: willymack on Nov 7, 2009 10:26 PM   
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But the religious crazies are getting to be a major pain in the ass, and tolerance only goes so far.

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Keep it private
Posted by: bigbrother on Nov 8, 2009 7:13 AM   
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Abortion is a private decision, no need to make it public - you want to do it, pay for it yourself!

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» RE: Keep it private Posted by: WyrdSister
Please
Posted by: bettyn on Nov 8, 2009 9:12 AM   
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Can't we get religion out of our government? I'm sick of these Holy Rollers dictating what goes on in our country....and what we can do with our bodies. It's bad enough in the South that you have to put up with all these so-called "blue" laws regulating everything you do, but NO ONE should be forced to have a child with severe birth defects or carry to term a child conceived through incest or rape.

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Did C-14 Pass?
Posted by: weightman on Nov 8, 2009 9:35 AM   
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I'm wondering if the Kerry/Hatch Amendment (C-14) pass intact in the House Bill?

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Why try!
Posted by: osd on Nov 8, 2009 3:23 PM   
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Why are we catering to a bunch of weenie wagging, sack draggiers? If they do not have a uterus, they don't have a dog in this hunt. This is just mindless control on the part of some Men, who are trying to control everything/everyone. There women should deny them there Viagra.

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THE CULT OF DEMOCRACY
Posted by: marat on Nov 9, 2009 12:31 AM   
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and the Cult of Religion amounts to two wings on the same bird. One cult, or group, blames the other cult (or group) for not allowing the first group to have its way.

Or does the first Cult, the "Party" actually, really, really, want to resist the Catholic Cult? Perhaps it wants to be resisted. Perhaps it needs the other group (or cult) to resist It, so that it can blame the other group for not doing what it doesn't really want to do anyway.

The two chief cults, The Democratic Party and the Republican Party don't really want to reform anything that might actually change things for the better. Both resist reform. In this sense, they resemble that elderly institution The Catholic Church, whose resistance to change is well known, and doesn't say otherwise.

The Democratic Party on the other hand proclaims to one and all how dearly much it would love to change things for the better, and their paltry health care reform bill is touted as an example. Gullibly, many take the bait and actually think it is, or, think the "Old Democracy" is actually "on our side."

They aren't. They never were. They are politicians. They will not help you. They comprise the State which only takes from you and never gives anything back in return.

The idea of Universal Health care in the U.S. is a great idea. Let us watch and see how the Democratic Party wrecks it, while claiming the Catholics are the culprits preying on our tendencies to Catholic bashing which is irresistable to many.

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How?
Posted by: justinwozniak on Nov 9, 2009 9:30 PM   
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I think it has to do with the long history of Catholic groups founding and running hospitals. It would be strange not to include them in the discussion about any new health care plan.

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» RE: How, again? Posted by: Longdream