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Obama Has Betrayed the Progressives Who Got Him Elected -- So Now What Do We Do?

Posted by Allison Kilkenny, True/Slant at 5:40 PM on August 31, 2009.


Total withdrawal dates and single-payer healthcare were never seriously part of the agenda. They were nice, empty promises, made to get elected.
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Though he's barely over six months into his first term, President Obama faces a critical time. According to a recent Washington Post/ABC News poll, support for Obama is dropping, and Greg Sargent theorizes this is due to waning support among Democrats and liberals.

Sargent's theory makes sense. Ask any Democrat or Progressive why they voted for Obama, and you're likely to hear a range of grievances extending from he's better than Bush to Nader wasn't on the ballot, but others say things like he said he'd bring the troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan, or he promised healthcare reform.

Clearly, liberals expected big things from their new, exciting President. However, as so oftentimes happens in the world of politics, pragmatism and triangulation sucked the air out of Obama's audacious hope. While the new President made plans to draw down troops in Iraq (plans that include tens of thousands "residual forces,") he surged in Afghanistan and approved the use of 17,000 additional troops. Meanwhile, Obama remained silent on the issue of mercenaries including the scandal-ridden Blackwater even though "private contractors," the pretty euphemism for "private soldiers accountable to no one," now outnumber troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Another moment for Obama to prove he wasn't lying during campaign season approaches now that Senator Feingold has called for a flexible timetable to bring troops back from Afghanistan. Since Obama repeatedly stated during the primaries that the goal in Afghanistan was to hunt down and kill Osama bin Laden, surely he will be open to the issue of timetables since a targeted assassination doesn't require the same troop levels needed to occupy and "rebuild" an entire country. A majority of Americans now see the war in Afghanistan as not worth fighting, according to a Washington Post/ABC news poll. No one seems interested in polling Americans about Iraq anymore most likely because the responses can so easily be predicted. The wars are lost and unpopular. The occupations are pointless and destructive. It's now up to President Obama to join the consensus and end these futile wars.

The President's behavior on the other progressive hallmark, healthcare reform, is equally abysmal. Obama's shameful conduct has been well-documented, including the White House's agreement to oppose any congressional efforts to use the government's leverage to bargain for lower drug prices or import drugs from Canada, and the agreement not to pursue Medicare rebates or shift some drugs from Medicare Part B to Medicare Part D, which would cost Big Pharma billions in reduced reimbursements. In exchange, PhRMA agreed to cut $80 billion in projected costs to taxpayers and senior citizens over ten years, mere pocket change to the booming industry over a decade-long projection, which makes it unlikely the cuts will significantly help citizens or ever actually happen. It's almost like the number was plucked from thin air to give the appearance of PhRMA's concession so liberals wouldn't completely lose their minds.

The popular single-payer model vanished almost immediately from the healthcare reform debate, and was replaced by the "public option," an entity no politician bothered explaining to the American people, who remain confused and miseducated about what it means. It's no wonder that myths spread quickly, culminating in the famous town hall blowouts. The mainstream media and politicians snickered at the screaming crowds, implying citizens are somehow too stupid to understand what's really going on.

The fact is no one can clearly explain what this new "public option" will mean for average citizens because politicians, particularly the Blue Dogs, have been more concerned with appeasing private industry than figuring out how reform will change Grandma Natalie's copay. Everyone keeps pining for Obama to conduct a "fireside chat" with the nation, but what no one is asking is why he hasn't bothered to do that already. President Obama has cut Americans out of the education process because their informed consent doesn’t matter.

Total withdrawal dates, single-payer healthcare, these things were never seriously part of the agenda. They were nice, empty promises Obama made to get elected. Now that he's President, he has discarded the Progressives, who can either go quietly into the night, or organize, fight, and make sure their President knows the empty promises thing won't fly anymore.

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Tagged as: iraq, democrats, liberals, healthcare, afghanistan, progressives, barack obama, healthcare reform, greg sargent

Allison Kilkenny co-hosts Citizen Radio, the alternative political radio show. G. Gordon Liddy once told her her writing makes him want to vomit, which is the greatest compliment she's ever been paid, ever.


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Posted by: Defenestrator on Aug 31, 2009 5:53 PM   
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» RE: Somewhere Else to Go Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Somewhere Else to Go Posted by: progressiveview
» RE: Somewhere Else to Go Posted by: gathaiga
» RE: Somewhere Else to Go Posted by: herronsmith
» Nader is Clueless Posted by: Gravitas
» You don't know Nader very well. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» Nader was NOT a sellout ! Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» Uhm... What about THE PEOPLE? Posted by: james108
» EPA Posted by: james108
» What a bunch of naive whiners! Posted by: tmginnova
» Um, think again. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: Um, think again. Posted by: tmginnova
» RE: Um, think again. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: Um, think again. Posted by: tmginnova
» RE: Um, think again. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
The most cynical politician of my lifetime
Posted by: mrsanfran on Aug 31, 2009 5:58 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
He is by far the most cynical politician of my
lifetime. The audacity of his campaign pledges and now he retreats into a shell and lets the coporations write the laws. Oh Man. We've been had again.

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Great Piece ... as far as it goes ... Get Ready for Debt Peonage
Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 31, 2009 6:40 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Obama's greatest gift to the Oligarchy has been the trillions of dollars he has given to Wall Street.

This is money that could have gone to education, the environment, help pay for healthcare etc,etc,etc, ...

Instead we will be facing debt serfdom. The people, business and government will all be drowning in debt to Wall Street. They will loaning us our own money to collect interest on ...

Listen to your and your children's future:

Dress Rehearsal For Debt Peonage

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» that's "oligarhy" to you Posted by: jcalhoun
» Speeling... Posted by: kimbari
» RE: that's "oligarhy" to you Posted by: francene64jb
» RE: that's "oligarhy" to you Posted by: Quannah
» RE: that's "oligarhy" to you Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: that's "oligarhy" to you Posted by: Quannah
Where is that promised "Green Economy"?
Posted by: Paul_C on Aug 31, 2009 7:04 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I guess he actually meant a "green-backs giveaway" to Wall Street!

And the bastard won't even stop Mountain Top Removal Mining which he could do with the stroke of a pen. That is all it took Bush, a stroke of a pen to wipe over 500 mountains and thousands of miles of streams off the face of the earth.

Of course, Obama promised us he would do these things. He lied to us.

peace,
Paul

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It's the system
Posted by: ZZDoug on Aug 31, 2009 8:27 PM   
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We will never see a president or a congress that isnt bought and paid for by the "establishment". The process by which people are nominated and elected wont allow an honest ethical person to ever get close. Everyone knows that politicians will say anything to get elected and re-elected, and yet continue to vote for them and think something will change.
I cant help but wonder if even a slight majority of people will ever realize that republicans or democrats arent the answer, and the other "parties" dont have a prayer of being elected. So what does this tell you? Its the system. Until the system itself is changed, this is what we get. But meantime, lets invade and occupy other countries and force our system onto everyone else!

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"So Now What Do We Do?" ... It's already happening ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 31, 2009 10:11 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Democrats poised to lose 20 to 50 seats in House: analysts

And it will only get worse as time goes on ... The Dems promised change and haven't delivered ... the left will find new candidates or sit on their hands and the independents will curse the day they gave the Dems a vote ...

Obama will be lucky to be re-elected at this rate ...

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» RE: Turnout: Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Good Point. Posted by: oregoncharles
This year's gubernatorial races in NJ and VA will be early warning signals.
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 31, 2009 11:59 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Politics can be like a volcano. One day, a farmer sees smoke in his corn field coming from underground. A few weeks later his entire farmland is covered in lava. Yep, it's that dangerous.

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Yeah, well.
Posted by: Longdream on Sep 1, 2009 1:15 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Ms. Kilkenny's writing makes me want to vomit, too, and I'm not your typical Liddy fan.

If you want to evaluate the validity of this article, take a look at the comments. The Nobama Nutbars basically attract the end-of-the-line uh-huh, uh-huh, It's All Shit Except My Version Of Liberty Lunkheads.

The plan is to have US Combat troops out of Iraq by August, 2010, and the rest of the US troops out by 12/2011. That was always the plan.

The Obama Administration's Policy on Afghanistan, as detailed in Atlantic Magazine, stresses economic aid to both Afghanistan and Pakistan to help bring about reforms. Because President Obama is not an asshole, and doesn't employ any flaming or gaping ones that I can discern, I assume we will not see a reprise of Bush's presentation of eighty million bucks to the Taliban so they wouldn't grow poppies anymore (right...), but managed aid to targeted ends. The Afpac policy gives fair warning to Hamid Karzai and Alif Ali Zardari that it favors no particular leaders. The policy stresses counter-terrorism more than counter-insurgency.

I am NO fan of a step-up in Afghanistan. I think there's a 60% chance that whatever we do there will come to nothing, and we will ultimately back out leaving Afghanistan alone the same as has been done by other countries a number of times in history. That being said, there's still a chance with this strategy that our presence could be an influence for the good of the people in the region--not Bush-Style Democracy with Bombs and oil attached, but troop-training not done by bogus contractors coupled with political and support efforts.

If you have observed any one thing in President Obama's behavior since he's in office, and before, for that matter, you will have seen an unwillingness to give up the exploration of possibilities. This is what you're seeing in Afghanistan, and it's distressing for all of us. This same character is what we've seen in the battle for health care, and it's not been a bad strategy as we come to the end of the day.

He's explored every avenue for bipartisan support for a bill, and waited out the Republican Dicks until they showed their hand. Grassley's fundraising letter to defeat Obama-care, Enzi's television lies about death panels, and numerous public statements about Killing the Bill and so on, make it patently obvious that the Republicans will knowingly spend the well-being and care of their constituents for, not even political gain, but dog-in-the-manger nastiness. They're going to go out with a snarl, Cheney-style, and now everybody is hip.

Today isn't a day to make any pronouncement at all about a health care bill. Dodd managed to get Ted Kennedy's bill which includes broad reform of insurance companies and a public option, out of committee. Citizens are putting serious pressure on Blue Dog Dems to vote in solidarity with the party because it's WHAT THEIR CONSTITUENTS WANT, on pain of being defeated in their next elections.

If we manage to stop a Republican filibuster, and get some solidarity we can get a bill out of the Senate.

SO STOP YOUR FUCKING WHINING AND COMMUNICATE *REPEADEDLY, EARLY, OFTEN, NOW!!!* WITH YOUR LEGISLATORS!!

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» RE: Yeah, well. Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Yeah, well. Posted by: cmaciain
» RE: Yeah, well. Posted by: kimbari
» RE: Yeah, well. Posted by: cmaciain
» RE: Yeah, right - not Posted by: jennymac
» RE: Yeah, right - not Posted by: cmaciain
» RE: Yeah, well. Posted by: eruditeogre
» RE: "That was always the plan." Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: "That was always the plan." Posted by: Longdream
» RE: "That was always the plan." Posted by: Longdream
» RE: You didn't get it. Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Yeah, well. Posted by: bonapartist
» LAME ! Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: Yeah, well. Posted by: Longdream
» Get Real Posted by: leafsong1
» I'm not surprised... Posted by: mjabele
» RE: Get Real Posted by: Longdream
» Nope, that was Obama's plan. Posted by: LaughingModerateIndependent
» Very lame ! Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: Very lame ! Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: Very lame ! Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: Very lame ! Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: Very lame ! Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Very lame ! Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: Yeah, well. Posted by: jareilly
» RE: Yeah, well. another one. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Yeah, well. another one. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
Grow Up!
Posted by: Steve Stone on Sep 1, 2009 5:27 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
President Obama is in this thing for the long haul, an eight-year stint. Fixing the economy must be his first priority, all other progressive steps depend on that.

It would be well for progressives, and others, to stop reacting like thirteen year old schoolgirls at a slumber party and give the President's plan time to mature.

Maybe this will help: we could be suffering Dubya's THIRD term.

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» RE: Grow Up! Posted by: cmaciain
» RE: Grow Up! Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Grow Up! Posted by: cmaciain
» RE: Grow Up! Posted by: progressiveview
» RE: Grow Up! Posted by: nha16
» RE: Grow Up! Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Or Palin? Posted by: jennymac
» Excuse me but Posted by: thrdr
» Do any normal folks post here? Posted by: tmginnova
» RE: Grow Up?? WAKE UP!! Posted by: sirios
AIPAC bought Obama
Posted by: weathered on Sep 1, 2009 5:44 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
and sold him to Goldman Sachs who placed him in a hedge fund marked:For the benefit of a few at the expense of the many.

Don't listen to the words, just follow the music.

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» Finally I can agree with Beck Posted by: bonapartist
» RE: Repetitive, moody, often shallow. Posted by: Sister_Lauren
"Though he's barely over six months into his first term"
Posted by: Beck on Sep 1, 2009 6:33 AM   
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Good beginning. Here's what I guess you do: INSIST IT ALL BE FIXED IMMEDIATELY. Mix in some "Obamabots" and "dumb" and maybe clueless. Mention again how we Dems thought, all starry-eyed, that Obama was the Messiah. Stamp your feet at how furious you are that he isn't, after all. Or clap your hands with glee! I think it's really a big relief to some of you that Obama didn't fix all the Republican messes instantaneously. THAT would have been the biggest disappointment of your marginal lives.

Then you could join reality, where oftentimes huge messes take decades to resolve, if they ever GET resolved. Maybe look even at the paltry dilemmas in your own life and notice how long it takes to work out the huge ones. Got a teenager in trouble, have a divorce looming? A very sick parent? Foreclosure? Health issues of your own? Are you going to feel like the world's biggest failure if even those relatively minor (in a big picture sense, not in your own experience) aren't resolved in "barely over six months"? Because I can promise you this: if you have a teenage getting in trouble, you aren't going to be rid of that situation six months from now. If you just filed for divorce, in 6 months, some aspect of all of it is still going to just suck. Big things do not get resolved in 6 months, except in people's heads.

I still think one of the biggest ironies I've ever observed is the claim that Democrats think Obama is a Messiah combined with the constant complaint that he isn't one. Close is the new rightwing "I hate America" and "Proud Terrorist", etc.

Or stay in the fringes showing visible contempt. I still think some of you, if you could, would start fascist movements. I just read that one quality dictators have is contempt. Maybe at least try to hide it more? The worst solution to all these Godawful messes? A tiny bunch of people who openly call 99% of Americans stupid, thinking they and only they should be in charge of us.

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» Obama supported AIPAC ever since winning the primaries. Posted by: LaughingModerateIndependent
» The fringe? Posted by: jennymac
» RE: yes, you missed something! Posted by: bonapartist
» Um, it's more than 7 months now. Helloooooo ! Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
What if your politicans don't listen?
Posted by: Jkid4x on Sep 1, 2009 7:07 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
What do you do? Call them constantly? Fax them constantly. What if they don't care. Even if we have to visit their office to tell them our demands, would it made any difference?

Voting would not do much good, the blue dog democrat would be replaced with another blue dog or a even worse republican.

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» RE: Business as usual Posted by: kettleblack
» RE: What if your politicans don't listen? Posted by: photon's feather
» Thank you Basenjis. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» It's past time for MoveOn to move on Posted by: photon's feather
Get the big money out of politics
Posted by: Canute on Sep 1, 2009 7:53 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Do you think our political system dances to the corporate tune out of friendship?

It's the money. Whoever spends the most money in a congressional primary wins, 9 times out of 10. Most of that money comes in $1000 chunks from a small crew of millionaires and big-bucks corporate executives. That's why nothing in the general public interest ever happens in Washington. 99% of candidates with opinions that offend the millionaires get filtered out.

We need a civil rights movement for the 99.9% of us who can't afford to write $1000 checks to politicians.

Get the big money out of politics.
Get the big money out of politics.
Get the big money out of politics.
Get the big money out of politics.

Then we can accomplish something.

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» RE: Get the big money out of politics Posted by: 24&somuchmore
I'd rather he fail trying than by avoidance
Posted by: janelynne on Sep 1, 2009 8:34 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I wonder who Obama is listening to. Many progressive intellectuals have offered brilliant alternatives, but the White House doesn't seem to be listening. The executive branch does not seem to know who it is or who it wants to be. I am worried at the implications of this. For eight years so much was squandered and so much was corrupted. Our nation decreased in economic power and in its moral authority. This nation cannot absorb more gaffes, more inaction, more avoidance, without falling behind. Propping up those with influence, and drinking their cool-ade is trip to ruin.

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» janelynne, most of us agree. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
Washington Post is a Right-Wing Paper
Posted by: nobyjingo on Sep 1, 2009 9:15 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It is best not to take at face value what the CONSERVATIVE RIGHT-WING Washington Post says as CONSERVATIVES are always going to paint the picture better for the Right.

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» RE: Huh? Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Huh? Posted by: Longdream
Premature Premise
Posted by: jmmartin on Sep 1, 2009 9:33 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Wait a minute! Isn't it a bit early to say that Obama has betrayed progressives? I, for one, will only believe that when and if he signs a healthcare reform bill that does not have a public option. This would not only be a betrayal of progressives, it would betray the legacy of Ted Kennedy. Although I know adding the uninsured to those already enjoying healthcare, prohibiting insurance companies from denying coverage for "pre-existing conditions," and other reforms are of much value, if Obama signs a bill that does not have the public option, he will not get my vote in 2012.

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» RE: Public Option or Single-Payer? Posted by: kettleblack
» RE: Public Option or Single-Payer? Posted by: alternetrose
» Pretty clear?? Posted by: jennymac
» RE: Premature Premise Posted by: bonapartist
» RE: Premature Premise Posted by: GatoPreto
» WAITER... Posted by: americansheep
» RE: Premature Premise Posted by: thrdr
» You are lying Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: Premature Premise Posted by: Sister_Lauren
Time to re-think a long term plan for progressives...
Posted by: TiredoftheLies on Sep 1, 2009 10:09 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We have once again had our hopes dashed, and our expectations shattered. It seems to me, though, that we now have more power than we give ourselves credit for. About 1/3 of voters are republican crazies, about 1/3 of voters are currently voting democratic, and 1/3 are independent swing voters. The crazies will always vote republican, if we split off from the democrats and form a bold, cohesive progressive movement (similar to the effort the obama voters formed), we can have another strong party. We can count on the greens and a lot of the existing democratic vote. That leaves blue dogs with the democrats, crazies with the republicans, and a block of independents who just might listen to reason and vote with us. I'm just sayin.....

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» RE: Maybe not so long term. Posted by: oregoncharles
Kucinich/Nader 2010 !!!
Posted by: tomu4ia on Sep 1, 2009 10:52 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
In some very dark shadows in Viet Nam, I dreamed that the "war's" 58,000 lessons would keep us from stuffing our treacherous, corporate-tainted democracy down the throats of other Third World countries. We rightfully should bemoan the easy opportunities Obama had to de-cheney many foreign and domestic policies. ("Extraordinary rendition" anyone? How 'bout "Don't Ask Don't Tell"?). But, for me (a former Airborne, Ranger Green Beret), nothing is a greater betrayal of "change you can believe in" than ignoring the deaths and maimings of our Viet Nam Vets (along with 1-2 MILLION Southeast Asians) to repeat the same insanity in Iraq and Afghanistan. Osama Bin Laden has left the house. Get over it!! Even if we caught him 9 years after the fact, his martyrdom would exponentially expand his already huge fan base. Change my bupkis! 2010!!!

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» RE: Kucinich/Nader 2010 !!! Posted by: progressiveview
» Kucinich is a black sheep Posted by: bonapartist
» Someone, anyone...? Posted by: james108
You Can't Always Get What You Want
Posted by: LoneStarGazer on Sep 1, 2009 10:56 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I'm a progressive, and I'm proud to say I voted for and still support President Obama, but I am tired of otherwise well-intentioned people like Ms. Kilkenney who can neither believe nor understand there is a lot of political water to be carried. We did not win an over-whelming victory in Obama's election and there is a lot of well-financed and well-positioned resistance to all of the things Obama championed. It's politics - "You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you get what you need." [the Rolling Stones]
So, if you want things done right, then get out there and fight for support and quit your whining.

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» RE: No, it's true Posted by: jennymac
» RE: Defeatist? Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Defeatist? Posted by: Longdream
Obama has not really changed
Posted by: JTatSFA on Sep 1, 2009 11:30 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
He has always been a right of center Democrat with loyalty to the American Corporate System. Have all of you forgotten FISA? If that wasn't a clue, what was it? Look at his staff, who among them could reasonably be called a progressive?
I took my name off the supporters list with the FISA vote. Yes, I did vote for him. It's not like there was a choice but I did not do so with the illusion that I was voting for a progressive.
I have also advised the Democratic Party and the White House that the day Obama signs a health insurance (it isn't even about health care anymore) reform bill without the robust public option that has been defined since the debate began, is the day I change my registration. I can only hope that on that day millions of progressive Democrats do the same.

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» RE: What do you change it to? Posted by: oregoncharles
Secession, Dissolution, Salvation
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford on Sep 1, 2009 12:43 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This country needs to dissolve. We need to have clusters of states go their separate ways. Maybe that way, we can salvage what we have left, start fresh, and actually PROGRESS, instead of sitting at a complete standstill with wimpy, inactive democrats and retroactive, control-freak republicans.

Obama isn't some sort of "failed liberal." He never was a liberal. OR, maybe, if he was, he realized how futile the fight against the corporations and corrupt congress really is, and decided to just kick back and forget it.

He either...

A. Deliberately made impossible promises just to get elected, because he knew it was what Americans wanted to hear.

- OR -

B. Really truly wanted to help out, but hasn't been able to because the system is just that corrupt.

Either way, we're screwed. This isn't some, "o well, we'll get some better people elected next time, and fix those problems right up." No. To paraphrase a random comment I saw on this site before, it doesn't matter if we try to steer this huge, oversized ship left or right, it still stays on the same course.

This country's politicians are bought and paid for. The system is self-perpetuating. There is no way to "reform" the system. You can't fix a rotten pumpkin. You go out and get a new one.

I think Lincoln was a tyrant, in his own right. He was a closet racist in some of his writings on blacks, and the main reason he instigated the Civil War was to preserve the union, not to free slaves. He fought to preserve strong, centralized power. We don't need that anymore. We need decision making brought down to our level. It's called Direct Democracy. Where the people themselves get to make the decisions, not representatives. If 77% of the American public now believes that we need universal healthcare, then there's no logical reason whatsoever that we don't have it right here, right now. None. If a vast majority of the population thinks that these two wars are wrong, then there's no reason we need even one soldier to still be over there.

If you have direct democracy, where the PEOPLE are in charge, shit gets done, (so long as you have a well-educated public). When you have a representative democracy, the implication is that people are too stupid to make their own decisions, so it turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy. We actually BECOME stupid and lazy and uninformed, and the system perpetuates itself. The latter is what we have now. A representative democracy, where we elect people to think for us. We DO NOT elect people to make the right decisions for us, we elect them to rule over us, because we have become so complacent.

Time to dissolve this clog in the drain. Time to break up the union. If red states run themselves into the ground, that's their own fault.

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» I majored in History Posted by: Rusty Shackleford
So Now What Do We Do?
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Sep 1, 2009 2:03 PM   
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A third party, a REAL progressive third party needs to be formed. Other than that it will always be business as usual.

Bam Bam is a corporate whore, plain and simple. Always was, always will be. This country is a corporate oligarchy, always was since the late 1800's, and unfortunately, looks like it will be until a REAL progressive party comes along.

So all you Obamabots, keep the faith, because we all know what faith of almost any kind gets you...as Ben Franklin said: The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.

You can almost put a fork in this country as we thought we once knew it before Reagan started the whole mess.

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» Oh please ! Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: Oh please ! Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Oh please ! Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: Be careful what you wish for! Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: How Many Times? Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Oregoncharles... Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal
what to do now
Posted by: smith on Sep 1, 2009 2:36 PM   
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join the GREEN PARTY, and help get NON CORPORATE politicians elected.

we have been telling you this for years, how about now??

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» Drop this part. Posted by: Beck
» RE: what to do now Posted by: Longdream
There is a concept called, I think, "Odious debt"
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Sep 1, 2009 6:25 PM   
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We the People never voted to give our economy over to the Fed, never voted (and fought at the time, actually) to have the Fed print our money on paper we gave them, then charge us interest on the face value of that paper (that as well as taxes are illegal per the Constitution)! We voted repeatedly and loudly to stop the giveaways, and were ignored. Our government was demonstrably taken over by the very people America is now asshole deep in debt to. According to international law we can repudiate that debt. If we were to wake up in large enough numbers, we could boot 'em ALL out and restructure the government, removing ALL business influence from governing.

It takes getting the info out there and ACTING.

Ian MacLeod
Activist PRN, Nonprofit, Nonpartisan, 501(C)(3) Corporation.
Veteran, Disabled, Chronic Intractable Pain Patient, 25 years
Oathkeeper.
Primum, non nocere!
Illegitimis non carborundum!

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VOCA
Posted by: RevolutionNet on Sep 2, 2009 12:10 AM   
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A Vote of Confidence Amendment will give American voters the power to dismiss any elected official at any time.

VOCA, Now !!

FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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Obama's betrayal is already turning Virginia and New Jersey red this year alone !
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 2, 2009 12:28 AM   
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Don't believe me? Then look up both gubernatorial races and see for yourself. Both Democrats are doing very poorly and this could very well prove to be a VERY VERY BAD OMEN for the Democrats in 2010 and 2012 if Obama keeps up his betrayal. Obama's doing everything he can to make it a one term presidency and he'll his damn wish alright ! Keep betraying us Obama and Congress and we voters shall give you the PAUL KERSEY DEATH WISH !

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You Marxists should have voted for Ron Paul.
Posted by: Macarthur on Sep 2, 2009 2:10 AM   
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Oh dear, you mean our Supreme Leader lied to win an election? Why I've never heard of such a thing! I am shocked shocked to hear that a Democrat lawyer and career politician would tell audiences what they want to hear to win elections and consolidate power!

BWWWAAAAAAHHH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA...ok, I'm sorry, let me compose myself...pffffff! BWAAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Suckers! You should have voted for Ron Paul! He would not have rewarded Wall Street and he would not have escalated the war in Afghanistan. But you Marxist losers fell for the same old MSNBC propaganda.

Let me get this straight: you socialists voted for what you thought was a fellow socialist, but so far he has failed to do even the easiest things. He hasn't denounced the war in Afghanistan, the war on drugs, the Cuban embargo, and he hasn't even supported gay marriage. But his spending is still inspiring a right-wing revolution that will put Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin in the White House come 2012. Sounds like a LOSE-LOSE situation you're in. HA HA HA!

You Marxist pricks spent two years telling me what a racist Nazi I was for supporting Ron Paul in the primaries, and now I am enjoying some well-deserved Scheudenfraude. So fuck off and sleep in the bed you made. Ban me if you want. It will give me more time to volunteer for the Republican congressional candidates who will sweep the House in 2010.

PS- Has Oblahblah quit smoking yet?

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» Don't pop a vein please. Posted by: bonapartist
» Oh, and by the way Posted by: mercianomad
» Rape is funny. Posted by: TailgunnerJoe
» RE: Rape is funny. Posted by: thrdr
The Democrats' answer to George W. Bush
Posted by: Perry Logan on Sep 2, 2009 2:35 AM   
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Earth calling progressives...

Didn't you notice--or are you denying--that Obama stole the primary?

Cheating is generally a bad sign in politics...

Here's a video I did some eleven months ago, called "The Democrats' Answer to George W. Bush". Very prescient.

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upstartgreen
Posted by: upstartgreen on Sep 2, 2009 3:29 AM   
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Vote for 3rd party candidates in the mid term elections next year to pressure both sides of the political spectrum to pass meaninful reforms. My preference is the Green party but anything is better than the Republicrats. Some of you have the chance to vote for 3rd party candidates this year.

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» RE: upstartgreen Posted by: Sister_Lauren
How they keep the scam going
Posted by: mrsanfran on Sep 2, 2009 4:07 AM   
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The Dems and the Republicans keep moving further right even as the country is moving to the left. Bill Maher had it right, the Dems are the new republicans and the republicans are in the loony bin. My progressive friends while angry with Obama, point to Bachman, Beck,
Palin and the other loonies and say see, You don't want them do you? So naturally you say what will I do next election, vote for an idiot like Nader? With these type of loonies the Dems can keep moving right and still look
reasonable.

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Sounds good to me but. . .
Posted by: Javan on Sep 2, 2009 4:12 AM   
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With our Zionist controlled media they will never get any exposure. Without exposure they can't compete.

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Drop him
Posted by: thrdr on Sep 2, 2009 4:51 AM   
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Drop him now. He's blown it. I saw this coming shortly after last year's primary, throughout which I supported him, until he made the insensate remark that Israel has a right to exist as a "Jewish state, with Jerusalem as its undivided capital" and blew off his promise to stand against the so-called revision of FISA that gave telecoms immunity--and it's been a steady move forward toward the Right ever since. And though I hoped he would win against McCain, I voted for Cynthia McKinney.
Drop him. Drop him for real. And if he wants us back, we don't take credit only cash. No promises but actions. No fake Obamacare but single-payer for real--dismantle the private insurance industry and put the drug companies on a short leash. No war escalations but U. S. troop withdrawals on an expedited timeline. No more hopium. No more private military contractors--no more mercenaries. No more bullshit.
And if he doesn't want us back? Swell. He thinks he can reach across the so-called partisan divide and win re-election by playing Mr. Clean Marine and courting "moderate" Republicans, etc. Let him try. Maybe America will go back to the Moon. Next Tuesday. His Presidency is over in a little over three years. Period. I'm too damned pissed to be sad about it right now.
Drop him. And drop the deadweight Democrats--and that's most of them nowadays--the Clintons, Feinstein . . . and even, yes, the machismo-is-feminist Howard Dean--who helped blow the substance out of the dream FDR and MLK and so many others had--and some of us still have and are willing to fight for--of making this goddamned country more fucking humane.
But--I hear a chorus--the Republicans will win. I've got news for you--unless you stop pissing and moaning about Nader and the Greens and the cracks in the sidewalk you gotta step over being "divisive," the Rape-ublicans have already as good as sown things up.
Vote for the real progressive and liberal Dems--what few there are--and scrutinize them the same as Obama. Don't take empty promises as assurance. Campaign and vote for the honest Independents, the Greens, the Socialists. Run yourself damnit. Raise hell. Get out into the streets.
But whatever you do--drop him.

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» RE: Drop him? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Yes drop him Posted by: thrdr
Prediction
Posted by: kegbot1 on Sep 2, 2009 5:17 AM   
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I've already heard:

"But he's only been in office three months! Did you expect him to reverse all of Bush's damage in three months?"

Followed by:

"But he's only been in office six months! Did you expect him to reverse all of Bush's damage in six months?

Around Christmas we'll start to hear:

"But he's only been in office one year! Did you expect him to reverse all of Bush's damage in one year?"

Two years after that we'll hear:

"He's only had one term! Bush had two! And the GOP is so obstructionist! You have to re-elect him so he can have the whole eight years to undo all of Bush's damage! And besides, where else are you progressives going to go!"

And some time around 2014:

"Well at least he meant well! Do you think it would have been any better with Republicans?! If it weren't for that nasty Republicans, Obama would have been this century's FDR! You can't blame him - it's the system!"

Ad nauseum.

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» RE: Prediction Posted by: thrdr
» RE: Prediction, Pt. 2 Posted by: thrdr
» Bravo Posted by: bonapartist
» RE: Prediction Posted by: GatoPreto
» Agreed kegbot1. Posted by: zigy
Finally
Posted by: Erin on Sep 2, 2009 5:18 AM   
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Why did it take so long for so many of you to wake up from your kool-aid induced comas and realize that you were had??? If you had paid closer attention to Obama and looked at his record in Illinois you never would have believed a thing he said. He got ya! Too bad that because you were all asleep at the wheel that he got all the rest of us, too. Promising to bring the troops home was a lie....the plan, all along, was to move them to Afghanistan. He was bought and paid for by Big Pharma and the insurance industry....so a single payer health plan was one of those "promises" that was really just a big, fat lie all along. We are so screwed!!
Do this country a favor and immediately go change your registration to Green or Independent and when the next elections take place, start getting rid of the same old (Democrats and Republicans--from the President to all the Senators and Congressmen) politicians who have been running this show for too long, and vote in people who owe their souls to no one and who will make real changes you can believe in.

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morgan1
Posted by: morgan1 on Sep 2, 2009 5:20 AM   
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Wall St., the banking industry, MIC, and now Blackwater type security firms have a strangle hold on our government. We no longer control or have any say over what the WH does or our politicians do. As they all allow our country to slide into ruin financially and environmentally, we will be left with some Blade Runner life in the wasteland of urban erosion while they live above it all or move to other countries who have saved themselves for moral corruption and greed. As Paul Krugman recently put it, changing government now is a hard uphill climb for all of us. Obama lied and the corporations threw their weight behind him to put him into the WH. Now we are seeing the real Obama. We know where the Republicans stand and what they are capable of (See history from Reagan on to Bush son), and we also see the Democrats for what they are (Wimps, liars, and turncoats--Republicans in the suits of Dems). We can no longer vote for either party or its representives and except CHANGE. Until the people (Everyone as was done in the '60's and '70's) get fed up and demand change, and take back their govt. from the moneyed, lobbyists, and profit driven money lenders, we will never see change. We are the ones being changed--Not them. We are being driven into the ground by debt,job losses, infrastructure failure, insurance scams(Housing and Medical, and wars we don't even want. They have all made us slaves to their own machine whether we liked it or not--In fact, most of us didn't even see it coming for it was done with so much finesse. These sorry f***s embraced GREED IS GOOD and ran with it, dragging us all down as they remained above the new State for us:Homelessness, Joblessness.

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Obama never was a Progressive.
Posted by: Karlh on Sep 2, 2009 5:41 AM   
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If you had actually bothered to listen to Obama, he never was a progressive. He never said he would pull us out of Iraq, he used the term redeployed, which is Newspeak for we’re still gonna be there, and he did say we were going to increase troop levels and widen the war in Afghanistan. He said that Government run Single Payer Universal Healthcare was “Off the table.” It’s amazing with these Democrats, is there anything that’s on the table? He talked about Clean Coal technology, of which there is no such thing, and he talked about nuclear, or as the Neocons call it, nukeular, energy. Then in October of 2008, he stood side by side with McCain and other members of the Senate and said that it is imperative that we bail out the banks, when they voted to do just that. It was at that moment I decided to not vote for that lying scumbag. I was thinking about voting for him rather than McSame but at that moment I realized he was the same as McSame. The only progressive Democrat, Kucinich, was marginalized, made to look crazy and run out of the campaign early on.

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I voted for him, now I'd like to kick him in the balls, but he doesn't have any.
Posted by: thekidde on Sep 2, 2009 5:48 AM   
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I fear it will take another revolution to bring America to trying to fulfill the promise that it has yet to achieve in more than 250 years.

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Inventing the Internet
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Sep 2, 2009 5:48 AM   
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Al Gore never invented the internet nor did he ever claimed to have done so. Nevertheless, the so-called liberal media picked up this fantasy line, popularized it and many on the right still cling to the notion that Al Gore is such an idiot that he thinks he invented the internet.

During the electoral campaign in 1999, although Barack Obama did make some favorable comments about single payer, he did so in the context of it being an unachievable ideal for the U.S. today and the healthcare plan that he promised was not a single-payer plan. Let me say more clearly, he never promised single payer.

The right never heard what Al Gore actually said, but preferred the myth that he claimed to invented the internet. Similarly, many in the left never listened to what Obama actually said and the persist in thinking he promised single payer. He simply never did make such a promise.

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» Both sides do it Posted by: james108
» Don't take it too far Posted by: bonapartist
» RE: There's a video! Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Yes, that's a right-wing site, Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: There's a video! Posted by: photon's feather
The System Has to Change
Posted by: Gravitas on Sep 2, 2009 5:57 AM   
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Too much anger at Obama is misplaced. Our system has gotten to the point where it is has been totally co-opted by special interests. One person, even the president can't make a difference. It is the system itself that has to change. Americans sat back and let it happen because most didn't want to do the real work that a democracy entails. Don't blame one man for not coming in and waving a magic wand and making things all better. The system must change and that means sacrifice and work on the part of the every day citizen.

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» His own actions Posted by: james108
Act progressive maybe...
Posted by: james108 on Sep 2, 2009 5:59 AM   
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We could spend half the energy demanding he put single payer on the table for discussion and comparison, as has been spent stifling and sidetracking discussion of it.

We could quit drumming up blank check, chearleader support of a reform that's not spelled out yet and not accountable to help anyone for years.

We could refuse to accept legalese tricks to continue corporate mercenaries, torture not called torture, mass murder of Palestanians, Afghans and Iraquis. Technically, since we give Israel their own Blackwater troops we are supporting the Palestinian apartheid gaming reserve, and there are more arguments to how we support it in other ways I'm sure.

The Patriot Act's still there, FISA, Obama wants his new military Czar to help him better monitor and control the Internet, FCC to start monitoring blog posters (in case people're benefiting from what they say, to protect us from non government liars I guess). Most of the bad things of the Bush empire are still here, and some have been escalated. Bailouts... Progressives have no shortage of things to do.

There's so much we could do rather than blindly back Obama. Did the same people here pretend the only option was to blindly back Bush? I admit, the "wait 4 years" strategy is a no winner. The democrats, republicans and big media have been playing this game longer than anyone else, and distracting come election time is something they're always ready for it seems.

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Change??
Posted by: slinkypomo on Sep 2, 2009 6:01 AM   
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The only change I have seen is the amount of speeches he gives!

RT
Is your ISP watching?

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First step: focus on the 2010 primaries
Posted by: beachcomberT on Sep 2, 2009 6:21 AM   
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Field some tough candidates to unseat the Blue Dogs. If Obama continues floundering in 2011, challenge him in the primaries with someone like Sen. Bernie Sanders. If things continue going downhill, Hillary or some other shark surely will smell the blood and make a move.

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» RE: Sanders Isn't A Democrat Posted by: oregoncharles
When Were These Promises Made?
Posted by: patsy6 on Sep 2, 2009 6:24 AM   
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The lesson to be learned here is that the voting public needs to pay attention to more than soundbytes during the campaign. Watch all of the debates, go on the candidate's website and do some research to see where they really stand on the issues. Barack Obama clearly never promised a total withdrawal of troops from Iraq. He was consistent in promising that 30,000-50,000 troops will remain in Iraq indefinitely as a "rapid reaction" force. The only two Democratic party candidates who consistently advocated a total withdrawal of troops from Iraq were John Edwards and Dennis Kucinich. Also, Obama's health care plan was not a true single payer plan, and he always promised insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies a seat at the negotiating table. Dennis Kucinich was the only Democratic party candidate advocating a single payer plan.

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Mission Keeps Getting Accomplished
Posted by: MT512 on Sep 2, 2009 6:32 AM   
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Elect a Republican. Sprint toward fascism.
Elect a Democrat. Mosey toward fascism.

Elect a Republican. Remind the middle class they could be rich someday! But not really.
Elect a Democrat. Remind the middle class they have power too! But not really.

Elect a Republican. The power class is ecstatic.
Elect a Democrat. The power class is merely thrilled.

Elect anyone. The power class gets more power.

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» Yup Posted by: leafsong1
» Yup #2 Posted by: bonapartist
» Except for the last sentence, I agree. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
We should take the time
Posted by: C. Rich on Sep 2, 2009 6:43 AM   
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Time for the finer things in life,instead of all these problems. Let us take a pause:

http://americaspeaksink.com/?s=poetry

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Good Luck
Posted by: rugby on Sep 2, 2009 6:41 AM   
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Many of the posts have recognised that there is a problem and some may have already pointed to the correct solution - as there can only be one correct solution to this social malice called democracy that has troubled mankind since the rise of industrialisation in the late 19th century.

The solution is very simple and as obvious as night follows day- stop voting and never vote again!

Unfortunately it will never happen because people from a young age are trained to believe in and respect institutions. So where does that leave you- as you have been for the last 10,000 years ruled by the few, for the few in the interest of the few.

Good luck anyway.

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The Battle Begins for who's the Bigger Dumbasses
Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 2, 2009 6:54 AM   
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The Far Right that claims Obama a is 'Socialist' or the Far left who actually believes it.
(not just as a means to reject Hillary's plateform of Repug Lite policies, but as a way to express my personal views), I am aghast by the far Left who continues to play this 'he Betrayed Us" Bullshit.
He told you he would wind down Iraq- not immediately withdrawl.
He told you he intended to focus our miltiary efforts on Afghanistan.
He Told you he did not agree with Gay marriage, only legal Unions.
In fact I don't think those having the pissy fit now are actually Left wingers, and certainly not Progressives- since they have no concept about what that word means. sorry Sweeties there are no Genies in a Bottle or magic Wands to grant your wish of immediate gratification and resolutions to decades of injustice and criminality.
No True Blue Progressive was ever under the delusion that Obama was going to champion the Far Lefts agenda.
My 'Leftie" bone to pick is high crimes prosecutions of Bushies,esp Cheney & Rummy. Was I thrilled when Obama said "No one is above the law" - absolutely. But I didn't suddenly go deaf and dumb when he said he wanted to 'look forward and not backwards'. I knew he was not going to go after Cheney corp with as much venom as I would have liked.
I am truely concerned some of these delusional 'Alices in Wonderland' will buy this new round of BS being expounded by Neo cons like George Will. Will the far left actually believe the Repugs are trying to get US out of Afghanistan? Are you fucking kidding me?? Those SOB's have been cooking up both those wars since the '80's, along with this economic meltdown!!
As many times as the Far Left has aided in moving the Far Right Agenda forward over the last few decades, I've gotta ask, are these really Liberals?
ACT UP helped the Moral majority portray AIDS as 'just' a gay and drug addict disease. Helped the Oil industry Prove biofuels were more detrimental to global warming and human existence than fossil Fuels (how many people starved because of the shortage and price of Corn round the world?). The Far left is so stupid, or complicit, that they have allowed one damn word to derail equal civil liberties for the gay community.
Frankly I don't know which end of the Political spectrum has been downing more mind altering Koolaid.
Instantaneous Change only happens in Fairy tales, folks.Get a damn grip on Reality!

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How much descent and at what price?
Posted by: dogdiva on Sep 2, 2009 6:55 AM   
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I'm feeling furious and quite hopeless about the future of Obama and the Democrats. Progressives, or as I think of myself just plain old liberals have a real identity crisis going.

Beyond that, as I read more and more posts on the Internet, I have deep concerns that this will give less committed Democrats a reason to stay home from the polls at a time when the extremely committed conservatives are going to be flooding the polls. I worry that some will fail to think of the consequences of withholding their support. Turn your heads to the right and just look at the rabid, ignorant forces that are ready to take control as progressive Dems throw a tantrum by not getting out the vote. God knows we have reason, but this is not the time to put more Michelle Bachmann's in the House and Senate. The same goes for President Obama. Make his life miserable, but for god's sake don't cast a vote for Alfred E Newman while the country goes up in flames.

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» Dream on, Sunshine Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: Gutless Voting. Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Gutless Voting. Posted by: Longdream
I didn't anticipate anything great from Obama but didn't expect the worst too fast.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Sep 2, 2009 7:43 AM   
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While I voted for Nader last year and was disappointed with the election of more status quo, even I did not realize just how far Obama would go in his utter betrayal and selling out. Over the months, I have felt that maybe some of those who voted for Obama are really upset at his performance and I could kind of detect it by the way they really felt about the issues. To those of you who are suffering buyer's remorse and want to make a change towards voting on the issues even if that means voting 3rd party, I forgive you and welcome you aboard.

First understand how those of us who voted 3rd party really voted. It has nothing to do with "spoiler" wannabe. The truth is that we did not put party affiliation and stupid faux "personality" before principle and the issues but the other way around. To those of you silly dilly Obamabots who still don't get it, get your silly dilly engines fine tuned and get with the times. No, we are not Republicans just because we voted Nader or Mckinney. Call of purists or far lefties all you want but we're tired of your fake "compromising" which is nothing more than backdoor conceding. It is time to really move forward by thinking outside the two party box. Republican, Democrat, or whatever 3rd party, it's high time more voters stopped being afraid to vote on principle and issues and be proud to vote for that candidate even if the corporate media tries to frame him or her as "not winnable".

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» What a pompous ass! n/m Posted by: Paul_C
» That is Obama you are referring to, yes? Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: The League of Women Voter Debates. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: That is Obama you are referring to, yes? Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
Obama The One Term Wonder
Posted by: NoPCZone on Sep 2, 2009 7:52 AM   
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On this very website and others I posted that I feared Obama would be just another worthless DLC sellout and sadly I was and am right. We need Obama like a fish needs a bicycle...

Remember that forum at Soldier Field in Chicago set up by the Unions- in Obama's very back yard? He lied about his support for EFCA, Healthcare and all the rest. Did it in his own chosen hometown to the working class people of Chicago on TV no less.

He has looked out for the banksters, Wall Street, the torturers, big Pharma, the insurance lobby, the Defense contractors and has effed over the very people who mobilized to get him and our worthless DINO CON-gress elected. We could have gotten these results from John McSame...

To the DNC, the DSCC and the DCCC: don't come knocking on my door or my mailbox or my inbox asking for money, turnout or support. I have never seen such political or personal cowardice or incompetence in my entire life.

Deja Vu, Democrats
2010=1994

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READ THE COMMENTS - THAT IS PROGRESS
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 2, 2009 8:13 AM   
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Picture us six months into the Bush Regime. When the new president was presented by the SCOTUS nobody dared to speak out against him. It was clear that there would be a war. But no objections from anyone. George Bush would not put himself 'out there' for criticism. He knew what alot us thought about him and didn't care. He cut everything from school lunches, medical care, started two wars and cut corporate taxes. Still everyone was quiet. More to the point, they didn't give a damn. Time went by and everything got progressively worse. It wasn't until the middle of his second term that people began to speak out. It was too late. The damage to our country was incalcuable. Moral was in the toilet. We elected Obama. Instantly we could criticize him and disagree. A privilege that we'd lost for eight years. Maybe nobody else missed it, but I sure did. I may not like everything that's gone on in the last 8 months, it's not really possible. But I sure am happy to have back my right to say so. Think about it, Bush had us all gagged. That's no longer true. For me that's enough CHANGE for openers. ANNA

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» Um, it's over 7 months now. Hellooooo ! Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» Too little progress Posted by: bonapartist
It's Time for a REVOLUTION!
Posted by: thinkverybig on Sep 2, 2009 8:45 AM   
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What are you all waiting on? Let's start the REVOLUTION NOW! Attach all CEO's and Corporations! Target the super RICH and Wealthy and change will come.

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» RE: It's Time for a REVOLUTION! Posted by: Longdream
Why are people so surprised??
Posted by: jonoruf on Sep 2, 2009 9:00 AM   
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If people had simply listened to Obamas campaign rhetoric from the beginning to the end, it was VERY TRANSPARENT that he was backing away from earlier campaign promises, if not even flat out changing his proposals.

He openly talked about escalating the war in Afghanistan, blindly supporting Israel, 'Clean Coal', ect. Why are people so surprised that he has backpedaled so much...I guess he didn't really backpedal because he blatantly announced these things.

No major party candidate is going to do very much at all in the favor of the populous. They must bow down to the corporations that put them in office, and so the story continues.

Want CHANGE, get involved at the local level where you can actually influence politics, and start voting for 3rd party candidates!

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» RE: Why are people so surprised?? Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
The Truth Finally Comes Out!
Posted by: bh on Sep 2, 2009 9:13 AM   
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I think Obama had good intentions. However when he got to the White House he found out quickly that President's and Congress don't run this Country. National Corporations do! Nothing gets done in this country without one form of Corporate approval or another. It's just the way things get done in this country. It's very, very sad but damn true...

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He said it himself on national TV
Posted by: pawheel on Sep 2, 2009 9:17 AM   
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On one of the national Sunday morning political talk shows last spring, Obama said "you can't hold someone to the promises made on the campaign trail". I think it was the George Stephanopolus show.
I'm SO glad I didn't vote for him. I voted Green and proud of it. I will NEVER vote Dem or Repub again (never voted Repub anyway).

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obama NEVER promised single payer
Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Sep 2, 2009 9:25 AM   
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if any of you obama voters had bothered to READ his platform; NO WHERE did he ever say on what was posted at his official campaign web site that he favored single-payer...(hillary clinton didn't, either)...obama was ALWAYS for a private, for profit model...

all you who feel betrayed only have yourselves to blame; you fell for slick empty rhetoric - every time i listened to obama talk i thought ok, but what is the plan?? what are you going to DO?? there was never any substance to back up his words...

progressives should have gotten behind their true champion dennis kucinich

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Another Reporter Completely Misses the Point on Wall St Reform
Posted by: Problem Is on Sep 2, 2009 9:36 AM   
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Probably the most damaging first step of the Obama administration was the infiltration of the Rubinites and the complete Obama failure to enact ANY Wall Street reform, NONE.

Worse, Obama handed the duty to Geithner who promptly went to Wall Street to have Dimon and Blankfien write their own reform.

Obama's blatant Wall Street shill approach to the criminality on Wall Street has worsened the US economic situation and increased the amount of criminal looting at tax payers expense.

Because of Obama's policies (the Rubinites, Summers and Geithner) and Obama's failure and complete and utter inaction (or obstruction) on reform such as immediately reinstating Glass-Steagall, Obama now OWNS the economic mess. It is Obama's.

By his escalation of the useless war in Afghanistan, Obama now OWNS the war.

When health care "reform" turns out to be nothing but a de facto corporate bailout of the health insurance industry and big pharma at tax payer expense, Obama will OWN that failure as well.

Add to that increasing unemployment into 2010, record foreclosures in 2009 and even a greater record in 2010 and the collapse of the CRE market, Mr. Change You Can Believe in is going to need a whole new shtick.

These are Obama's debacles, now.

Obama, not as ground breaking... Obama as a One Term Carter...

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» RE: Wall St. Money Posted by: oregoncharles
Obamarama
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Sep 2, 2009 9:55 AM   
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I warned this site's readers repeatedly that Obamarama and Hillary are cut from the same mold. There was but one meaningful choice last November and it should have been Kucinich, whose agenda was and is precisely what the majority of Americans want and deserve. My advocacy is to resurrect a Kucinich challenge in 2012 and commence its avid preparation now. It can begin with publicity regarding H.R. 676, his co-sponsored single-payer healthcare system that was introduced on January 24, 2007....that's right 2007! It never got off the ground with Obamarama or Pelosi and Reid because big Pharma and the corrupt healthcare insurers have bagged the votes they need to obfuscate any fair and meaningful debate. It can be a major force for change because it will entail abandonment of the war atrocities that are headed nowhere and mock any sense of lawfulness and decency. Kucinich is a man of the people and deserves support, Nader knows it and will eagerly support him with Greens, independents and every disheartened progressive and liberal patriot. Fail, and we will be left with Obamarama-2 and it will resurrect the neocon wackos as never before. It has alsready started and it is as scary a development as this nation has ever encountered. The sad fact is that in 2008 the two choices for President were incompetent and we settled for the apparent lesser of two evils. Two wrongs don't make a right and we are now faced squarely with the old chestnut of fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on us. Its time to revolt dear friends and do it peacefully and providently with a decent man whose track record is uninpeachable. GO DENNIS.....let's get on the bandwagon and evoke the change that we were promised by an upstart with a forked tongue!

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His Legacy
Posted by: Butter on Sep 2, 2009 10:26 AM   
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Obama had the chance to be the first great President of the 21st Century. Maybe he still does...if he's pushed. But the point is, we shouldn't have to push him. He should have the courage of his constituents' convictions. He has a talent for making rousing speeches--but then retreats to the White House and lets Beltway Clintonites like Rahm Emmanuel run the show. Obama now seems to be content with a Legacy that consists of nothing than being the first Black President. Or, perhaps, the first Black Grover Cleveland.

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duh
Posted by: tazdelaney on Sep 2, 2009 10:40 AM   
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kucinich/naader/gravel/barr/paul weren't 'allowed' in the disney-debates by NBC/RNC/DNC AS THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY AS CANDIDATES! and that's a virtual quote. the best demockery money can buy.

me, i voted for nader, who's been fighting the corporatists/fascists/warmongers (same things) since 1960. by contrast, obama had been an utterly unillustrioius senator for just 4 years when he was campaigning for the white house already.

while kucinich fought the bush-cheney coup cabal at every point; obummer and hillary voted straight GOP on all major bills. in fact if you look at the war votes, the war and torture funding, patriot acts, military commissions act, surveillance and its protection... these votes usually went 94-6 in the senate – exposing a one-party system in which very few issues are even disputed.

i knew obama to be who he is showing himself to be frm a couple of early signs... on fox news, oreiley put him on the spot about his family minister and friend who is on record as saying that america is founded and still based on racist genocide. while this is historically undeniable considering the genocide of millions of 'indians' and millions of africans; obama did just that and stated flatly that "no good american believes those things he says." uncle tom big time.

another item was that obomber was distinctly pro-palestinian prior to his receiving AIPAC funds for his senate race and he entered the senate as one more bribed pro-israeli senator.

the simple, observable fact is that obamabush has continued the CIA rendition program of outsourced disappearance and torture, continues and expands the wars and the war-crimes; protects the bush-cheney criminals and torturers since he is now one himself; continues the massive corporate-communist policies of bush-cheney with huge trillions in giveaways to the very financial criminals who schemed this disaster knowing they could use it to GET REWARDED and actually tighten the reins on power.

with the GAO saying that the disaster is costing $12.2 trillion in government payouts and guarantees, much of which was obscured by both bush and early obama actions involving the fed reserve and such... the GAO watchdog says that, unbelievably, in a 'worst case scenario, those outlays and guarantees could climb to as much as $23 trillion. this rests on top of the tripled national debt bush gave us which was just under $12 trillion.

while giving his "core constituency" of the ultra-rich trillions in tax cuts; bush borrowed $3trillion from his buddies in the communist party of the PRC. the PRC now suspects rightly that the USA may not be able to pay its debts and is not willing to lend more. apparently the commies are better capitalists than what is in power here? who can obama get to loan this seemingly sinking ship trillions? my guess is nobody.

personally, i'd just declare the central banks criminal and their alleged debts they expect the workers of america to repay at $300,000 per household (impossible, therefore bankruptcy?), to be null and void. let the whole world repudiate it's 'debts' to these crooks and cut their umbilical cord into our wallets.

and... spread the war crimes and torture and all other charges against the bush-cheney gang to the obama gang. to my way of thinking, any congressman who voted for the wars and torture, any judge who covers for torturers and surveillors... is a war criminal to be charged. every billionaire wall-streeter, ditto.

if congress can vote itself pay raises 6 times in 20 years while only raising minimum wage once... how about if we just take matters in our own hands and give single-payer universally and raise the minimum wage to enough for a single mother with two kids to actually live on. isn't that 'minimum wage'?

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BA
Posted by: mnstra on Sep 2, 2009 10:46 AM   
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I will not read any more disappointing noise about Obamas betrayal. We told you in Nov To vote a third party. You just got wet with excitement at the new America Idol.Your disappointment makes me sick.Too bad for progressives. Stop the whining........

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Add me to the listed of disappointed Obama voters.
Posted by: Ranjit Kumar on Sep 2, 2009 11:42 AM   
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I changed my registration from Democrat to Independent this past summer for the reasons stated in the article. I expected reaching out, not giving in to the opposition. What a disappointment !

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I don't feel betrayed...
Posted by: abrunvand on Sep 2, 2009 12:14 PM   
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But then, I voted for Obama because he is a pragmatist (and because George Bush(remember him?) was actively destroying the United States of America).

If you want to be absolutely sure the U.S. never, ever gets health care reform, and keeps on fighting eternal oil wars in the Middle East then read articles like this, get into a snit because Obama "betrayed" you, and let the teabaggers have their way.


The Obama administration has already managed to do some rather delightful things such as appointing Ken Salazar to Interior and pushing through the Omniubus Public Lands Act of 2009.

So, lucky thing, now we have a guy in office who can possibly be persuaded towards more progressive action instead of a situation where the possibility doesn't even exist. But instead of being happy and grateful that this wonderful thing has happened, op-ed writers like Kilkenny are spewing out anti-Obama pieces and whining because he can't immediately solve a problem that has been festering since the 1940s when insurance and employment benefits first got entangled.

Obama is not G.W. Bush, and regardless of how "progressive" he is, that is a truly major change: Now your pro-health care or anti-war activism actually stands a chance of having influence instead of being so much arm-waving. It's not the time to sit in a corner and sulk about being "betrayed". It's the time to press your advantage while you still have it.

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» RE: I don't feel betrayed... Posted by: cmaciain
ABOUT TIME
Posted by: jende on Sep 2, 2009 1:10 PM   
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Wow! It's taken people a long time to wise up to this guy. All we really needed to hear during his campaign for Puppet-in-Chief was his intention to kill Bin Laden. Anyone who wants to be my leader but advocates murder, execution, assassination, or whatever one calls it, I don't want. You had a chance with Nader and you blew it. Now we're paying big time.

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Progressives didn't get Obama elected, Bush did.
Posted by: rickiey on Sep 2, 2009 1:14 PM   
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The democrats could have offered up a revived Hitler as a candidate, and he'd have beaten the Bush heir apparent, McCain.

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last time I'll say it... I kinda promise
Posted by: DaBear on Sep 2, 2009 1:35 PM   
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Told. You. So!

The worst thing about this is that he's essentially flung open the door for an 'Merkaaner fascist revolution in 2012. And that's a problem.

Time to wake up and vote Green. Because either way, we're all gonna lose our shirts when it comes to blows. At least go into the fight against Amerikaan Fascism with a clean conscience. It's all you have if you end up dead in the brawl.

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» RE: last time I'll say it... I kinda promise Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
take to the streets
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Sep 2, 2009 1:46 PM   
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yeah, that's what I thought. zzzzzzzzzzz...


#@!

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The Sisyphus electorate.
Posted by: mercianomad on Sep 2, 2009 2:02 PM   
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The worst thing is it will happen again next election, and the one after that, and then after that, and so on:

Tons of people, bourgeois centrist Democrats, pleading every day not to vote 3rd party or the Republicans win. The old "lesser of 2 evils" comments ad nauseum, etcetera.

It is absolutely sisyphean. Just rolling that rock perpetually.

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Expectations Vs. Realism
Posted by: VoxMagi on Sep 2, 2009 2:06 PM   
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The President, like many before him, has driven the hot rod of idealism directly into the wall of reality. Judging from the butchering he is taking in the non-mainstream press, both left and right, he will be lucky to escape the oval office with even the slightest shred of dignity left intact.

It doesn't help the situation when those who held wildly unrealistic expectations display shock and amazement at a Chicago politician acting like...a Chicago politician.

I bear Obama no malice, and frankly, he looks better screwing up than Bush ever looked even on the rare occasions he got something right, but that doesn't mean I genuinely expected anything amazing from him. I never really expected more than a new version of Dubya...with a tan and a functioning brain.

No one rational expected a sudden disappearance of troops from Afghanistan or Iraq. The rational minds were content when a timeline better than "never" was agreed upon. What's left is incoherent shrieking from people who genuinely don't care if both countries descend into total chaos as we run for the hills.

Like it or not, even though another administration made the mess, it's a delicate task to withdraw from areas still entrenched in conflict, and we carry a heavy burden of moral debt for the ruin we have inflicted on two nations, a debt that can only begin to be repaid by ensuring their relative stability before we leave. None of this can or will happen quickly. Get over it.

Unfortunately, the Health Care debate has fallen into the hands of the DNC, who are doing an amazing job at properly gutting the bill of anything even remotely useful...while the RNC froths at the mouth and spews bile on the sidelines. It will be a business friendly package when it emerges, and anyone who expected otherwise has shockingly rosy views about the nature of the DNC.

In the end, the only measurable indication that anything decent remains in this bill is the fact that the GOP opposes it. My advice: if/when you see the GOP start to climb on board, call your congresspersons and senators and beg them to vote no.

...but if you do nothing else, try not to froth with hatred and bitterness...we already have the GOP for that. It ill befits the portion of the population that can still articulate a view to adopt the behavior of Faux-News zombie acolytes. Peace.

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Betrayed by Obama
Posted by: robertmc on Sep 2, 2009 2:21 PM   
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I started a new website after I couldn't take the incessant betrayals. The only reason I haven't switched to the Green Party yet is because my BlueDog Rep may be getting a primary challenge.
http://betrayedbyobama.blogspot.com/

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Boy am I glad I voted for Nader !
Posted by: LaughingModerateIndependent on Sep 2, 2009 2:41 PM   
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Hats off pardners !

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US should not be taking the lead in Afghanistan
Posted by: Garvagh on Sep 2, 2009 2:55 PM   
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What Obama has failed to ask, is why should the US be taking the lead in dealing with instability in Afghanistan. This country is ill-suited for the task, and the inevitable squandering of hundreds upon hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars is eroding the nation's strength. Let Iran, Russia and China work out how best to lower the level of violence in Afghanistan. And get out of Iraq NOW!

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Increase the "bitterness," never diminish it!
Posted by: Jill 2 on Sep 2, 2009 2:59 PM   
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"...but if you do nothing else, try not to froth with hatred and bitterness...we already have the GOP for that." –(Vox Magi)

You could not be more wrong and your argument is mere accommodationist palaver. You quite obviously represent a standard exemplar of the 'liberal reactionary,' too churlish and timid (and objectively right wing!) to respond to what is clearly unacceptable and unconscionable, with the appropriate disrespect and disgust it deserves. Criticism of Obama and the wretched Democratic party from the left, however vociferous and full of hate as it may appear to you, differs qualitatively from right wing, FOX News or fascist criticism. America needs an amplification of the political contradictions from the left, not an impotent self-abnegation which cedes the moral high ground. The fascist right wing, for all their vicious, ignorant obscenity understands this clearly and that is why they always seem to win, They ceaselessly articulate contradictions ideologically by personalizing hatred. Certainly it is not pretty, It is actually indecent and disgusting. But the anti Obama fervor that is emerging is not the same thing. There seems to be a passionate 'fascist soul' but no 'soul 'on the left. That development can NEVER fructify positively under the auspices of the Democratic party!

If you cannot see that there are substantive differences–seeking entirely dissimilar ends –in the two modal polarities of anti-Obama agitation, all you are doing is acting like a sycophant for the status quo. Your example and prescriptive entreaties serve only to mitigate and de-politicize a situation which should only be refined and exacerbated to a fever pitch. Substantive left wing hatred and bitterness is an appropriate response; the ideological axes should be sharpened, not dulled.

Obama is a moral disaster, and should not be supported, but politically destroyed. That is criticism from the left, not the right which is of an entirely different species. Let the "hatred and bitterness" increase, not subside. Had that urgency been more exigent, American politics might not be in the implosive, degenerate and intractable meltdown it now finds itself in. Politics in America is presently a fake, non-politics. Make it real. Play for keeps. Attack unsparingly the neo-fascist core of Obamism!–(Jill Bains)

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You get what you pay for
Posted by: JadedEvan on Sep 2, 2009 3:23 PM   
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Rarely do I ever feel like throwing arguments back in people's faces, but I can't help from yelling "told you so!" to just about everyone I know. Really, what did people expect when they elected him?

At the end of the day, you get what you pay (and vote) for. Unsurprisingly "well-meaning" corporate democrats who share the same bed with the Republicans and their cronies. The writing is and has been on the wall for quite some time, it must just be too big and blinding for most to see.

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What utter nonsense
Posted by: nellie blogger on Sep 2, 2009 3:24 PM   
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The president is following exactly the agenda he presented during his campaign. If "progressives" are feeling betrayed, it's either because they weren't listening to his campaign speeches, or they are too impatient to wait the requisite time for complex policy to be enacted.

All the whining is pretty immature. And politically, very unsophisticated.

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» RE: Don't whine, Posted by: oregoncharles
The article fails to answer the question in the title . . .
Posted by: Earthian on Sep 2, 2009 5:38 PM   
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So what do we do now? the title of this article asks.

Unfortunately, the author listed a good, accurate set of complaints about President Obama, our corporate Democrat president. But the question remains unanswered.

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» RE: CHANGE YOUR REGISTRATION... Posted by: oregoncharles
Obama's Rookie Season
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Sep 2, 2009 6:16 PM   
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Hillary was right, the Presidency is no place to learn on the job. 3 years as a very junior senator made him a good politician with all the promises but didn't teach him how to deliver on those promises. Damn, we could have had Hillary, two Presidents for the price of one. Now look what we wound up with - a guy in the oval office with a learner's permit.

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» Better than Hillary Posted by: bessie
Obama is not and never will be progressive
Posted by: iteachpeace on Sep 2, 2009 6:33 PM   
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I am tired of hearing so-called progressives complaining that Obama is not progressive! Get over yourselves. He didn't fool you-- you fooled yourselves. Some progressives were so eager to throw themselves on the hope train, they lost their minds before the election.

The Democrats will never represent you! Now quit whining and work on putting together a formidable party and candidate for 2012.

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» RE: Obama is not and never will be progressive Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
a especial clothes make you fetching
Posted by: hancoo on Sep 2, 2009 6:53 PM   
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This is easy folks, we do what we did to elect Obama, only now we choose the right person
Posted by: Paul_C on Sep 2, 2009 9:16 PM   
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Why are we wringing our hands in desperation? All we have to do is line up behind a strong third party such as the Green Party and get all our friends and relatives to do the same.

But we have to start right now. We cannot wait. People are up in arms and are desperate for a leader to stand up for them.

Organizing well before the election cycle will allow us to capitalize on voter discontent and it will give us credibility so that we cannot be shutout of the debates as before.

It should be easy to get 15 percent right off the bat. What are we waiting for?

We need an aggressive, hard-hitting campaign that appeals to people fed up with the insane corporate 2 party system.

This is immensely doable, folks, so why whimper when we can be fighting for ourselves!

peace,
Paul

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Posted by: fenqing on Sep 3, 2009 3:16 AM   
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Obama is no FDR
Posted by: outragedtoo on Sep 3, 2009 11:03 AM   
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And he really needs to be or we'll never get out of this mess. The right-wingers have shown that they'll complain no matter what. If they don't have enough to complain about, they'll lie and distort the facts until they find something. So Obama is wasting his —and our — time trying to be bipartisan.

On the other hand, we progressives are not totally blameless, either. Why are we not out shouting down the wackos at town meetings or staging our own demonstrations?

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» RE: Obama is no FDR Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Obama is no FDR Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: Obama is no FDR Posted by: erjoell
Obama, easily the best president within my memories
Posted by: Norvegicus on Sep 3, 2009 2:05 PM   
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Hello... Obama has been rockin ever since his feet hit the ground. Perhaps one forgets just how fried our culture is. From police laws, mortgage hell, religious zealots, interest rate robbery, Banking "we will take your money, watch us!", the magic of your credit score, freaking zombie chanters everywhere, damm, High Five to Obama for his boats wake through our endless sea of hurricanes.

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Beer Hall Days and Progressives
Posted by: Dorothy Oz on Sep 4, 2009 4:54 PM   
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Progressives are infantile idiots, well intended and correct on most issues, but are missing the point. No matter if Obama has disappointed, for whatever reason, the Democrats, Progressives, Moderates, Right, Liberal within the party will have to accept responsibility for the failure AGAIN of the Democratic Party being able to shoot from the hip straight and work together in some unified way. Its is impossible. How the heck do you think that when nearly thirty or so percent of the Democrats are Christian Fundamentalists while others have always been on the fence taking from all sides of the aisles while defeating their own party or are far out liberals - all are destroying any real hope the people have of uniting this nation into some common goal in order to survive. The two parties are so entrenched that there can be no resolution to much of anything. The people hate and distrust the government for good reason. We are heading for civil war and no one seems to care or get it. We are the fallen timber of humanity for sure and National Christian Socialism will not come from the left but from the right who will use their theocracy to award only those who live by their rules and who will round up all the so called progressives and put them into their real camps with their real plans of instilling a nation under one God who forbids anyone from free loading, gays, women, all will be put under their Dominionist theocracy patrolled by their armed tea party members just as was done in the rise of Hitler during the Beer Hall Days. Once this happens we can then blame the progressives for allowing this to rise up like a great sea snake and swallow us all up. Too bad.

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Obama is a "Centrist" not a Progressive
Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson on Sep 5, 2009 7:26 AM   
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He never said he was a Progressive. He believes in globalism and started his own war. He's a corporatist and part of the Yale oligarchy.

Obama was never was a Progressive in the Senate before he became President.

Progressives just "wished" he was one. They refused reason and to look at his record. We Progressives tried to tell people but they wished for a fast solution. Just because one is Afro-American doesn't make them a Progressive and hero for the poor or democracy. Condi Rice and Colin Powell were Conservative puppets.

Let this be a lesson to America. Race and religion mean little when it comes to politics.

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Annabee
Posted by: annabee on Sep 5, 2009 12:05 PM   
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With just a 2-party system in America, we must support our Democrat President. After all--would you have rather had the lunatics govern our country--Palin the withcraft lady and McCain without a brain?
Everyone knows that the demise of America is at stake here as what America is really confronting is a form of Fascism in which corporates control the people--Obama has limited power to go up against such power. This power is in control of all nations of the world, but the nations currently surviving (of which America is not surviving as our news media likes to make us believe--world renown economists don't agree with such news) do have a clear separation between politics and business ie. no corp[orate donations in campaigns--duh! How stupid can the American people be to believe the crap on the news? How stupid can the American people be to fall prey to corporate Fascists and lend their mind/body/souls to their stupid tea parties? Better spend time givbing your total voice to Obama or the lunatic fringe will take over!

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Not necessarily so
Posted by: erjoell on Sep 11, 2009 6:39 AM   
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It was not the progressives that won the Presidency for Pres Obama. If it was just us, there would have been a lot of noise during the primaries that would have ended up amounting to nothing as during Howard Dean's and Eugene McCarthy's campaigns. It was the fact that the President promised to bring together all American, both Republicans and Democrats to get things done for the country. The Republicans know this, so instead of being conciliatory like the Democrats after the Reagan landslide, so as to accomplish something, they are going out of their way to be obstructionists, so that they can say at the end of his term "Where are the new politics?" The President has to appear to be reaching out to the Republican blockheads so that their obstructionism will be apparent to the independents who voted overwhelmingly for him in order to bolster his claim to be representing the vast majority of Americans rather than one wing of popular opinion. If he can continue to do this, the current tactics of the Repulicans will end up further marginalizing them.

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Afghan War is necssary
Posted by: erjoell on Sep 11, 2009 6:49 AM   
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Vis-a-vis the Afghan War, the President has always stated that that is the war we should have been fighting, and that the reason things are so bad is that President Bush and Cheney got involved in this Iraqui adventure. In order to catch Bin Ladin, and all of his cohorts as well as to deny him the use of Afghanistan as a future haven, is is necessary to gain the support of the Afghan people which means that it is necessary to protect them and the things we have provided them (schools, roads, etc) from destruction by the Taliban, which means enough troops to do so. While it sounds like the same crap Cheney and Runsfeld used to feed us, in this case the Taliban was and still is harboring Al Quaida whereas Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with them. Also in this case the Pakistan, right next door and overrun by the Taliban, DOES have nuclear (or "Nucular" for the Bushies) weapons, while the evidence for Saddam having them was made up. So to get Bin Ladin and destroy Al Quaida we have to wend more troops to Afghanistan.

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