Please, Christians and their "values" are a laugh. Most are cheating on their wives also. Pray in church then try to run your neighbor over if they cut you off exiting the church parking lot.

What you do in your own house has nothing to do with how you govern.

Maybe not having a religion should be a requirement for office!

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The endorsement of Obama by this Bush pastor is a welcome example of the fact that people are not one-dimensional stereotypes, but complex figures incorporating a variety of thinking and characteristics.

The previous anti-religious comment, lumping together all of us of any faith whatsoever as evil, is an example of the simplistic thinking that exacerbates our problems.

It deeply saddens me that people who may have mostly good positions on many political issues can be just as intolerant and one-sided in their thinking as the "other side". Too often, the "left" is just as hostile as "the right" toward those with different opinions or life styles.

As a Quaker, believing in "that of God" in every human being (including the agnostics and atheists), I wish that we would all try harder to understand all people and seek commonalities with them, rather than vilify anyone with whom we disagree about an issue. And office-seekers, like everyone else, should be judged by their individual characters and actions, not by any group with which they may have connections or similarities.

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I think there has come an Awakening in the Religious Providences in this country.
They have had enough of their Values being Bastardized to steal elections.
they have seen the tactics which fly in the face of their doctrines.
Such concepts as
Only part of life worth fighting for is BEFORE birth
War is a means to Peace
Other People (creations) are to be hated and feared- "Love thy neighbor"??
Global Warming is not a concern (becoming the Stewards of this planet (Eden) again)
Realizing that those who look forward to - and are willing to initiate Armegeddon are not only Arrogant, but heretics.
Realizing that snake oil dealers are attempting to ordain themselves Messiahs
(Idols)
Beginning to resent the fact their donations go to these 'Deceivers' and to only 'anti Abortion' and 'Anti Gay Marriage' funds- Not poverty, not faminine, not healthcare..
There is Plenty for Us non Organized religion folks (Humanists)and the Faithful to join forces on.We have alot more in common then the Corps have allowed US to discuss with their Divide & Conquer Propagnada.
By God or Nature (One in the same) WE are the ONLY species (creations) on this Planet who are Innately responsible for it's management, WE ARE THE STEWARDS!
Our Goals
end War
Equal Access to necesssary Resources (energy)
End poverty & Famine
Provide healthcare- conquer diseases
Care for the life sustaining Planet- for the future
Educate future Stewards
Freedom to Practice the Doctrines which strengthen our stewardship Duty.
As a 'Atheist' I am eager to converse with the faithful about our common goals
And as a Life Long Liberal Dem- i'd like to speak once again to a real Republican, we too have a lot more in common and must work together to end the reign of terror and Totalitarianism of the Corporationists who have highjacked Our country!

OBAMA/HAGEL '08

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Powell is one Republican I feel can be trusted. He is not a politician. He is a "reluctant soldier" who understands that war is a last resort. I suspect he saw what was coming and departed Bush's ranks to preserve his own peace of mind.

I would love to see Powell back as S.State under Obama.

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Oddly, Edward's scandal has issued a boomerang to conservatives. While heaping a concerted helping of gleeful shadenfraude onto Edwards, the conservatives find themselves unable to defend McCain's same unsavory background. The GOP would have much preferred to sweep McCain's dirty dust under the carpet, but even they can't fool all the people all the time.

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If a Green Party member told you about Obama, why isn't he/she voting Green? And why aren't you?

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As an African American, I feel it necessary to make clear that not every black person who supports Obama over McCain is an Obama surrogate.

90% of us would support the Dem nominee no matter what the color - with the one exception I won't get in to.

Only 10% of us would support any random Rep nominee.

Of the 90% who would support any Dem nominee and do, in fact, support Obama, a good chunk of us are continually disappointeded by his acceptance of the white frame of reference when it comes to matters of race.

So, whatever simplistic explanation you may have heard or even expressed yourself, black people are, in fact, capable of making reasoned and rational choices.

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If this minister is any sort of genuine Christian, he's been WAITING FOR YEARS to say this!

I grew up a Methodist before dropping out in high school after some boys in our MYF youth group painted swastikas on a synagogue, and converted to Unitarianism in college. I had to find a religion that ACTED Christian, even if many never used the word, because we'd moved to the Deep South where, in the 1950s, it was extremely hard to find any Christians Jesus would recognize. The Methodists in my parish, old and young, tended to be born-again, rabidly white & male supremacist, anti-union, antisemitic, anti-"librul", NeoCon(federate) warmongering fanatics. Some of them apparently still are, notably Dubya.

Around here--it's NOT the South--I have a whole bunch of UM friends who are stalwart and outspoken dissenters against Cheney & Dubya's tyranny, coming to every action as hard-working activists for peace and justice. God bless all the United Methodists who practice the teachings of Jesus--who walk the walk! Makes me once again admire the ethical values I was taught (up North) in Sunday School.

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There are very few polititions or preachers that believe anything they say themselves, yet we keep on listening and hoping that some of the bullsh-t might be true. Any preacher or politition that has half a brain knows that Bush unjustifiably and repeatedly lied and covered up to wrongly invade a country that did us no wrong, and he is directly responsible for the death of at least hundreds of thousands of deaths, injured uncountably more innocent Iraqi people as well as terrorized the people of the world with his lies and false intelligence, tortured innocent people hoping to get them to confess to things they did not do, to help cover his crimes. While a preacher might not condemn a murderer, should he not at least give him serious counsel? Should I happen to be running for office, I hope I would think twice about allowing Bushes religious representitive even get near me.

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The Rev Kirbyjon Caldwell's church is in a predominantly African-American section of southwest/south central Houston. Definitely a "mixed ethnic" area...Windsor Village. I lived there in the 60's. This is a MIDDLE CLASS neighborhood. No Bush family member would be caught dead living in the area. I doubt the Bush family has ever SEEN the church, much less attended a service there.

One's pastor is "generally" considered to be the minister at the church one attends. Oh, wait. The "Christian leader" GWB doesn't ATTEND church.

Kirbyjon Caldwell is a dynamic, intelligent, non-dogmatic and empathetic individual. Calling him Bush's pastor is sorta like calling AJ Foyt my mechanic because I one bought a car from the dealership he owned. It's an attempt to cling to the cachet of a 'star' without any real interaction on a regular basis.

Of course, KjC is the only well-recognized Methodist pastor on the scene today. Most Methodists I know have been keeping their heads down and hoping nobody identified their denomination as that which Bush claims.

Between this and the attempts to keep the Bush 2 library off the SMU campus, maybe GWB needs to reassess his Methodism and move to a more...open to aristo/plutocracy denomination.

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McCain talks about one thing then later says something totally in the face of what he mentioned before. He is in one place then another. He talks like he maybe a bit senile.

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Well, here we are! I'm sure glad that we got here from there! And where is that? Listening to these "religious leaders" that expound on God's ways in thier own diverse ways--developing restrictive, guilt-laden doctrines, to "help" us understand God, and what God expects of us as his humble servants.

Ok, now we have a slight problem! Which P-ass-tor, truly has the truth? Which faith is the "politically correct" faith in Amerika, to spiritually lead us into a bright new world, where God's principals are are lifted above the hills, to shine as a beacon to the world?

How many, so called Christian faiths or sects do we have now??

Out of the same book, the Holy Bible, we have innumerable spin-offs from the original cannonizers of ancient writings.

the Christian faith is nothing more than stories, fables and mythologies that have been cannonized and penned into "The Judeo-Christian," faith. Hint # 1 "You have to have faith, because the writings do not mesh with the rational, analytical and logical mind.

BLIND FAITH!

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