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Did McCain Lift His Russia-Georgia Speech from Wikipedia?

Posted by Chris Bowers, Open Left at 1:52 PM on August 11, 2008.


Copying your report on a subject directly from an encyclopedia is something most people are encouraged to stop doing in, oh, about the sixth grade.
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Via Political Wire, it appears that McCain's vast policy experience and knowledge of international affairs is derived from wikipedia:

A Wikipedia editor notices some similarities between Sen. John McCain's speech today on the crisis in Georgia and the Wikipedia article on the country Georgia. They appear similar enough that most people would consider parts of McCain's speech to be derived directly from Wikipedia.

First instance:

one of the first countries in the world to adopt Christianity as an official religion (Wikipedia)

vs.

one of the world's first nations to adopt Christianity as an official religion (McCain)

Second instance:

After the Russian Revolution of 1917, Georgia had a brief period of independence as a Democratic Republic (1918-1921), which was terminated by the Red Army invasion of Georgia. Georgia became part of the Soviet Union in 1922 and regained its independence in 1991. Early post-Soviet years was marked by a civil unrest and economic crisis. (Wikipedia)

vs.

After a brief period of independence following the Russian revolution, the Red Army forced Georgia to join the Soviet Union in 1922. As the Soviet Union crumbled at the end of the Cold War, Georgia regained its independence in 1991, but its early years were marked by instability, corruption, and economic crises. (McCain)

Now, I love wikipedia, and think it is a great resource. However, lifting your report on a subject directly from an encyclopedia is something most people are encouraged to stop doing in, oh, about the sixth grade. If you, your policy team, and your speech writing team are still doing it when commenting on an international crisis while running for President of the United States, that's both pathetic and scary.

If McCain becomes President, we all need to make sure that wikipedia is carefully updated, since it will apparently inform our government on how to handle an international crisis. A properly updated wikipedia could end up determining the fate of the world.

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Chris Bowers was a full-time editor at MyDD from May 2004 until June 2007. Some of his projects have included the creation of the Liberal Blog Advertising Network, the first scientifically random poll of progressive netroots activists, the Use It Or Lose It campaign, the nation's most accurate forecast of Democratic house pickups in 2006, and the 2006 Googlebomb the Elections campaign.


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Posted by: picklebarrela55 on Aug 11, 2008 2:32 PM   
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It's not even a really trustworthy source. If you cite something from wikipedia in a college paper, I guarantee your professor will simply laugh at you.

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» Not true . . . Posted by: Scientz
» RE: Not true . . . Posted by: drmflorida
» RE: Not true . . . Posted by: YogiBear
» wiki goes to college... Posted by: undrgrndgirl
» Hahaha . . . Posted by: Scientz
» wiki goes to Philly Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
» There are other sources Posted by: donl51
» About McCain Posted by: donl51
» RE: Also Posted by: djnoll
He's not even a good plagiarizer . . .
Posted by: Scientz on Aug 11, 2008 2:48 PM   
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. . . taking the time to reword and/or apply a thesaurus to the stolen sentence makes all the difference.

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Hey, he DOES know how to use the Internet!
Posted by: war_on_tara on Aug 11, 2008 3:05 PM   
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Who'd have guessed?

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Def-initely written by one of the minions
Posted by: dayenta on Aug 11, 2008 3:07 PM   
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The old coot can't even "do a google," so it must have been written by one of his toadies. As for Wiki, it's a great resource for general questions, but citing it in a scholarly thesis is weak.

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The problems is more serious than a bit of plagerism
Posted by: pritsy on Aug 11, 2008 3:13 PM   
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Blatant plagerism of the most popular source of information is bad enough. But he has said that he does not use the internet, so it was his "hired hands" who did this. His choice of researchers/speechwriters/advisers is bad, and there is no reason to believe that his choice of advisors as president would be any better.

As son and grandson of Annapolis-graduate admirals, he could not be allowed to flunk out, so being in the bottom 2% of the class tells us a lot about his intellectual ability.

He can't intellectually cope with complex matters, and he is poor at selecting advisors.
So....?

By the way, the easy, lazy way to have used Wikipedia as source material is to be upfront and mention early in the speech that Wikipedia had a good synopsis of the history of Georgia, if people wanted to research it. It avoids charges of plagerism and it makes him seem more in tune with younger people (like in their 50's and 60's).

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???????
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 11, 2008 3:20 PM   
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Alright, so while we give the geezer a half point for at least pretending that he's got a clue not only about current affairs, but also just a bit of history! As someone that is nicknamed the "Straight Talk Express", far be it from me to inform him that not only should the days of plagiarism be over with, but how about his own critical thinking skills be questioned?

On the other hand the in-curious George W., well I guess we're screwed either way!!!!

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Wikipedia?
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Aug 11, 2008 3:23 PM   
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Back in my day, we used to use Cliff Notes to cheat on our campaign speeches, or copy from the speaker sitting next to us.

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Jumping to conclusions
Posted by: CTvoter on Aug 11, 2008 3:46 PM   
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I think it is a leap to conclude that McSame lifted his information from Wikipedia. I beg all of you to consider that he may have been the wiki contributor. That is, considering that someone showed him how to turn on the computer, work the mouse, and manipulate the tubes on the internets, then provided him with a map (map, not nap), some history lessons, and the lyrics to a relevant song from the 60s.

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» RE: Jumping to conclusions Posted by: Benjaminsjw
Copyright rules vary.
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 11, 2008 4:09 PM   
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Copyright rules are different for fiction (novels) and nonfiction (newspaper articles). T0 be fair, I'm not sure about speeches.

Generally speaking, a novelist can't legally copy & paste text from books or the Internet and claim the words as his own.

Nonfiction writers are treated more liberally.

Generally speaking, you can copy & paste up to 200 words for an article without giving an attribute. To be safe, however, nonfiction writers should say something like, "According to...(the person or media source).

When borrowing text from books, list the page number and note the type of work -- hardcover or paperback.

McCain's self-serving, 1999 autobiography, Faith of My Fathers (supposedly a nonfiction work) contains few cites. Nor does it have an index for crosschecking his sources. For that reason, perhaps, McCain "innocently" plagarized Wikipedia.

By the way, information from Wikipedia is sometimes unreliable. But it's a great research tool because of numerous Web site links, which save time.

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» RE: Copyright rules vary. Posted by: djnoll
...to support and defend...
Posted by: wornsear on Aug 11, 2008 6:17 PM   
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Why is McCain celebrating the adoption by Georgia of christianity as an official religion? The United States of America is one notable country which has made a point of having no official religion at all. As I recall, the banning of state religion is the VERY FIRST THING IN THE BILL OF RIGHTS, even before freedom of speech. So much for encouraging the spread of American values across the globe.

Incidentally, if you actually *read* the Wikipedia article, it says that christianity was instituted as the official religion of Georgia... in the 4th century A.D.! It appears McCain certainly is a maverick, if you happen to be a citizen of the Roman Empire.

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But the real story is ...
Posted by: colek on Aug 12, 2008 12:23 AM   
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So far no one's really fleshed out the real story here though. The real story is how the major media is ballyhooing the evil Russians having the gall to invade an innocent country that did nothing to them, kompleat with gushing sentiment and sensational account of jets streaming overhead as innocent women and children run for cover.

Are they expecting us to gasp?

Perhaps they've been on vacation from reality for the past six years?

Or perhaps they believe that we have been - collectively intellectually so?

It only makes them look ever less credible.

That, and me ever more wanting to puke.

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Did McCain Lift His Russia-Georgia Speech from Wikipedia?
Posted by: Aesh on Aug 12, 2008 1:20 AM   
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As someone that is nicknamed the "Straight Talk Express", far be it from me to inform him that not only should the days of plagiarism be over with, but how about his own critical thinking skills be questioned?

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Be careful, there's another possibility
Posted by: Bursztyn on Aug 12, 2008 9:13 AM   
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This is not evidence that McCain plagiarized Wikipedia as Wikipedia itself is mostly plagiarized on the same level of the sloppy-choppy-copy that McCain did. Both Wikipedia and McCain could have simply plagiarized the same source, rather than McCain or one of his staff plagiarizing Wikipedia.

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This fits right in with...
Posted by: Quannah on Aug 12, 2008 10:38 AM   
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his lovely wife Cindy plagiarizing recipes and saying they were "old family recipes." (She's done it more than once.)

If he were smart, he'd fire all his current speech writers for being morons. As if someone wouldn't find out this was lifted from Wikipedia!

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