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Creationism: A House of Lies Founded on Even More Lies

Posted by PZ Myers, Pharyngula at 9:00 AM on August 7, 2008.


The works of creationists like "Dr." Ron Carlson sometimes cross the line between preposterous and downright offensive.
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I actually watched the entire appalling 10 minutes of this ghastly creationist video by Dr Ron Carlson, Learn How Evolution is Largely Based on the Silly Assumption of a Dead Lawyer. The whole thing is built around a completely false claim, that fossils are dated only from the geological strata, and that the strata are dated by the fossils found in them. He repeats his lie many times in this short video, and each time I wanted to stand up and shout at him. Anyone with even a casual knowledge of dating techniques knows that while index fossils give you a quick and fairly reliable estimate of age, other techniques, such as radiometric dating, are used to verify ages.

That's typical for creationists. Even worse to me is the ahistorical lie in the title. Guess who the "Dead Lawyer" is?

Charles Lyell.

That's right, this clown has simply misrepresented the most eminent geologist of the 19th century, and derogated his life's work to a mere "silly assumption". Lyell initially trained as a lawyer, but began his career as a geologist in his early 20s, and by the time he was 30 he was a full-time geologist at a time when there was little institutional support for the discipline. Since Dr. Ron Carlson, before he was 2, wore diapers, by the same reasoning we can now address him as "Diaper Wearer Ron Carlson." As for the claim that Lyell was an atheist who invented uniformitarianism to prop up the theory of evolution ... absolute nonsense. Lyell was not an atheist at all, came up with his ideas long before Darwin, and at first equivocated and then offered only tentative support to the idea of the modification of species.

As for Dr. Ron Carlson, to whose name the title "Dr." seems surgically grafted, I haven't been able to find out what his degree might be in, or where he got it from. Somehow, I don't think it was in geology.

Digg!

Tagged as: creationism, geology, darwin, charles lyell, dr. ron carlson

PZ Myers is a biologist and associate professor at the University of Minnesota, Morris. He runs the science blog, Pharyngula.


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you commie atheist "intellectuals" are so deluded...
Posted by: lexicon on Aug 7, 2008 10:31 AM   
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It's simple! God put the fossils there to test our faith.

See, what most people don't know, is that God is not only a Vengeful God, a Loving God, an Omniscient and Unitary God...he's also a Prankster God.

Let me take you on a tour. First, he created the Heavens. Then the Earth. Meantime, he was also creating the laws of gravity, thermodynamics, the elements (arranged very nicely in a periodic table). Utterly elegant, efficient, beautiful stuff. Only GOD could possibly make something so beee-youtiful as the second law of thermodynamics, or Bohr's theory, or the gold atom, or heck, chocolate ice cream.

There's one for you mis-believers...CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM! How could all those ingredients "evolve" in just such a fashion as to create something so exquisite as CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM?

So, I digress. After taking a little break from that stuff, He writes the History, and the Law, in the bible.

Then the jolly prankster goes and stuffs all those bones into the chalk and limestone hillsides...to see if we'll question his authority!

I mean, what are you gonna choose...the inescapable laws of nature, or the law of God?

lexicon

(sarcasm alert)

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» I disagree Posted by: Tombo
» RE: I disagree Posted by: Bibsisis
» Who is so deluded... Posted by: Espilce
How dare you question his credentials!
Posted by: ciccio on Aug 7, 2008 12:53 PM   
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The esteemed Dr. is a highly respected academic, graduate of the ancient revered seat of learning,
the inimitable Northwest graduate school of ministry. I tore up my Cambridge degree in disgust when I learned of their impeccable standards, their world fame attracting graduate students from as far as Asia. Their huge bustling campus thronging with all 164 students put the Sorbonne to shame. A Dr. of divinity degree from the puts you in first place when running for a position of pope or archbishop of Canterbury. To further put your doubt about the validity of these degrees at ease, they have been fully accredited by the Christian teaching intitutes and the church of God.

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Religious Conservative - too much time on the beginning
Posted by: Purple Girl on Aug 7, 2008 1:03 PM   
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Frankly what difference does it actually make How we got here? It is far more important what we are now doing and what it means to the future.
Very similar to their obssesive focus on Pre Birth, and None on Post Birth (LIFE!)
Teh rhetoric must be accurate- so it is time to demand 'Pro Lifers' use a more apporiate- less deceptive Organizational Model- 'Pro Birthers' is more accurate and reflects their main goal. This is one of the Organizations which has begun this trend of Deceptive Orgnaizational Titles. Like all these Groups/studies who call themselves the Coucil on American Freedoms, or Family First, or what ever other misconstrued name they come eup with to disguise their agenda.

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I'd Rather Believe In Science...
Posted by: ranchero42 on Aug 7, 2008 1:31 PM   
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Than in the very first "suicide by cop". Better known as Jesus H. Christ. No wonder they suppressed the"Gospel of Judas". I also believe in Tom Robbins, for it is written in "Another Roadside Attraction"; just what the Hell DID they do with the Body?

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Patafarianism answers all these questions
Posted by: alchidester on Aug 8, 2008 8:00 AM   
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The Flying Spaghetti Monster created Dr. Ron Carlson to test your faith.
Go have a plate of spaghetti and ponder these things. Arrrgh, mateys!

Captain Morgan

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creationism- one symptom of religious fundamentalism
Posted by: muktuk on Aug 8, 2008 9:10 AM   
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Anthropologically speaking, the recent resurgence in Intelligent Design (sic) and Creationism is but one symptom of an increasing worldwide problem-

religious fundamentalism-

all religions have a fraction of followers who want to "go back" to the old ways which specifically excludes science- all science.

these religious fractions in Judaism, Christianity, and in Islam are pretty much what is creating so much grief in the world today.

Judaic fundamentalists want a greater Israel- erat Israel.

Christian fundamentalists want the "rapture"

And Islamic fundamentalists want the "Jews" and the "Crusaders" cease to exist.

Not to ruin your new millennium, humans, but, alas, we are all doomed!

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» RE: Wrong about Christianity vs Science Posted by: Doctor Democracy
The Dobsonites et al
Posted by: johnbradleycopeland on Aug 8, 2008 9:40 AM   
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How dare you question Devine Intervention, Creationizm, Dark Matter as known by the Dobsonites, Focus on the Family, South Carolina Family Council, Christian Coaltion, The Baptist Convention, Catholics and Jews! Don't you know that to question is to be a heretic and burn in hell! Suppression is the name of the game and joing American Taliban to insure that the "word" is followed to the letter is the mandate. We will "think" for you and you will know what is truth as we are the "guiding light" funded by who knows who. You will send your money to support American Taliban and our efforts to stamp out the homosexuals and convert them to heterosexuality! Repent, and authorize monthly deductions from you bank! Don;t think for yourselves!!!!! Join the American Taliban today!!!

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» RE: The Dobsonites et al Posted by: herronsmith
» RE: The Dobsonites et al Posted by: Bibsisis
Hate in the name of God
Posted by: better vision on Aug 8, 2008 11:14 AM   
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Giving space on any forum for idiots like Carlson allows any intelligent person to see what a moron he really is. Unfortunately, it also causes an excuse to attack all religion as if science and religion were wholly incompatible. Just because a person is a Christian, doesn’t mean that they are an idiot like Carlson and his cohorts. Men like Carlson are responsible for the dark ages, a thousand + years of repression for any intellectual thinking. Galileo was placed under house arrest for observing blemishes on the heavenly body of our Sun. Columbus, who knew the approximate size of the Earth, had to pretend that he was searching for a “shorter” route to India. Nobody dared to oppose the stupidity of things that were passed off as religion by those who assumed the right to speak for God. Nutcases in our day find that they can feel self important by proclaiming religion as the source of their delusional thinking.

Carlson did receive his Doctor of Divinity from Northwest Graduate School of Ministry in Redmond, Washington. Therefore, he must be the “ultimate authority” on theories of evolution and the disciplines of science. He defames God not just by opening his mouth but by writing and speaking hatefully in God’s name. He attacks other religions and frames our Christian God in his own hateful image. Christians everywhere should be appalled by him, but that isn’t always the case.

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Would like to argure the Big Bang Theory
Posted by: hankhawk on Aug 8, 2008 11:16 AM   
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The Big Bang Theory has been accepted by a
majority of scientists today. It theorizes
that a huge quantity of nothing decided to pack
tightly together -- and then explode outward
into hydrogen and helium. This gas is said to
have flowed outward through frictionless space
("frictionless" so that the outflowing gas
cannot stop or slow down) to eventually form
stars, galaxies, planets, and moons.
If this is your explanation of the Big Bang
Theory, I'd like to argue about some of
the eventual problems afterwards.
If this is not your explanation of the Big
Bang Theory, please tell me your explantion.
I have some deep, complex questions to ask
you about it.

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» RE: Natural Selection full of nonsense Posted by: Doctor Democracy
» Elements... Posted by: Bbear41
» Elements... Posted by: Bbear41
Mathematics creates problems for evolutionists with DNA complexities
Posted by: hankhawk on Aug 8, 2008 12:25 PM   
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In the world of living organisms, there can't
be life or growth without DNA. Without going
into the complex questions involved with DNA (
an extremely complex chemical molecule) Where
did it come from? How did it form itself in
the beginning? How can it keep making copies
of itself? In the base of the DNA code are purines, adenine and guanine and
pyrimidines and thymine. Where did these 5
chemicals come from?

What are the mathematical possibilities
(probabilities) of Just One DNA molecule having
formed itself by the chance?

It gets complicated when you figure in
enzymes, proteins, amino acids, nucleotides, etc. so the number of possible code
combinations for an average DNA is huge. Not
just 4,000, but 4 times itself a thousand
times, or a little more than 10 X 602 power

In addition to DNA, many other materials.
such as proteins, enzymes, carbohydrates,
fats, etc. would have to be INSTANTLY made
at the same time.. They would all need to be arranged within the complicated of structure
of an organism -- and then they'd have to be endued with LIFE.

Mathematicians agree that any requisite number
beyond 10 X 50 power has, statistically, a
zero possibility of occurence.

No, evolution cannot take credit for our world
and mankind being what we see it is -- a
wonderfully intelligent design of start and
development is behind it.

Within 30 years, evolutionist thinking will be
viewed as non-scientific, filled with too
many unprovable "facts" , and not high on the intelligent scale.

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» The first life DID NOT have DNA. Posted by: AsteroidMiner
RE: Heard it before. Same old stuff. Nothing new or important.
Posted by: hankhawk on Aug 11, 2008 5:27 PM   
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Here's my everyday, common sense approach to
anti-evolution, pro-Creation. It combines
questions & answers mixed together betweem
Me and You

Many who take the "blind chance" position argue
that any seeming purpose or order we observe
in the univers can always be explained in terms
of natural laws (NL).

ME: That begs the question, "Where did the natural laws that bring the design come from? Who designed the laws of nature? I ask you

YOU: NL wasn't designed, they're a natural part of the universe,as the term NL suggests.
The natural laws themselves run the universe.

ME: That sounds like superstituous view. Can you give me a rational explanation for why
nature should have such laws, some cause for
their otherwise mysterious power?

YOU: I can't prove any of this, all I can do
is see that we can make predictions about
planetary orbits and chemical reactions because
the laws of nature govern the world, not some
Grand Designer -- that's the scientific view.

ME: How can the laws of nature "govern"
anything? The domain of science includes
behavior, but not governance! Since you're
at a standoff since you can only measure
behavior, not governance, I have look to
opinions of leading scientists who have been closest to evidence -- discoverers of nature's
laws and who say,these laws were too perfectly
contrived towards higher ends to allow us
to attribute them to chance.

Albert Einstein wrote that the harmony of
natural laws "reveals and intelligence of such
superiority that, compared with it, all
the systematic thinking and acting of human
beings is an utterly insignificant reflection."

Robert Boyle, the father of modern chemistry,
spoke of the "laws ofmotion prescribed by the
author of things."

Rene Descartes, who created our modern
concept of "natural law" wrote of the "laws
which God as put into nature."

It was partly because Michael Faraday bleieved
that God was the unifying source behind the
design of all phenomenena that he discovered
the fundamental relations between light and
magnetism, and he came up with the concept
that laid the groundwork for modern
electromagnetic field theory.

Johannes Kepler, discoverer of the laws of
planetary motion, wrote that in finding
these natural laws he was merely "thinking
God's thoughts after Him."

YOU: Whenever I find a pattern of behavior
that is so orderly that it becomes predictable,
I have eliminated the need for divine
involvemen. It's explained perfectly by
natural law.

ME: OK, you admit to observing behavior which
can be expressed in predictable, orderly laws
of nature, not random-like laws of nature.
Why are there these orderly laws of nature?
Why not trial and error and chaos? I
have a supernatural explanation. Do you have
a natural one?

While I haven't proved that these laws were
designed by God, your position doesn't have
a natural explanation for the orderly laws
of nature.

The growing questions come from observations
that have uncovered patterns in nature which are so precisely fixed, within paramaters so
narrow, that the many structural
accomplishments of these patterns in our
universe cannot be explained by even the
wildest coincidence.
These accomplishments require a conscious,
super-intelligent mind -- with a particular
concern for human beings.

I'd like to see your viewpoint, not just
negative ones of mine.

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It is necessary to say the words: "Natural Radioactivity"
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Aug 8, 2008 2:46 PM   
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when discussing dates for fossils, Egyptian
mummies, etc. The author hinted at it, but
few people who are not scientists would
understand the hint. We date rocks and
fossils in reference to decay products and
isotopes of naturally radioactive minerals,
such as uranium, that are in the rocks. For
mummies, it is the decay of naturally
radioactive carbon 14 that the person ate
while alive thousands of years ago.

The religionist, if he knows the above, may
want to pretend he doesn't in the furtherance
of his charlitan scheme.

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Everyone's wrong.
Posted by: tap17x on Aug 8, 2008 5:56 PM   
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The Bible was written by God not to test believers' faith but to test their intelligence. If someone believes the Bible when it disagrees with reality, he or she is an idiot, and God doesn't want to hang around with idiots. So if you swallow the Bible you will never be in the presence of God. It's his way of eliminating his mistakes. Try disproving that!

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» RE: veryone's wrong. Posted by: hankhawk
» RE: veryone's wrong. Posted by: Doctor Democracy
» RE: veryone's wrong. Posted by: Intellect
» RE: veryone's wrong. Posted by: Bibsisis
Bible thumpers
Posted by: frank69 on Aug 10, 2008 10:59 PM   
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A question for all the bible thumpers: Which version of the bible is the "correct" one?
There are ten or more different versions. King James? Vulgate? Koran? Talmud? Greek?
Orthodox? Eastern Rite? Inquiring minds want to know!

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