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CrackerGate: Tweedy Biology Prof PZ Myers has Literally Killed Jesus Christ

Posted by PZ Myers, Pharyngula at 11:17 AM on July 26, 2008.


Amid firestorm, the Great Desecration is done.

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I wonder how many of our Catholic friends have heard of the Fourth Lateran Council of 1215? This is the event where many of their important dogmas were codified, including the ideas of Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus, that the Eucharist was the sacrament that only properly ordained priests of the Catholic church could give, and that the Jews were a pariah people, who could hold no public office, had to pay a special Jew tax for their right to exist, and were required to wear special clothing to distinguish them from Christians. The yellow badge marking the Juden was not an invention of the Nazis, but a decree by faithful Catholics in the Middle Ages. That's an interesting juxtaposition, that a symbol of Christian exceptionalism was formalized at the same time that they formally decreed the Jews to be inferior, and a target of hatred.



That combination was useful, too. Declare something cheap, disposable, and common to be imbued with magic by the words of a priest, and the trivial becomes a powerful token to inflame the mob — why, all you have to do is declare a bit of bread to be the most powerful and desirable object in the world, and even if it isn't, you can pretend that the evil other is scheming to deprive the faithful of it. Now you could invent stories of Jews and witches taking the communion host to torture, to make Jesus suffer even more, and good Catholics would of course rise in horror to defend their salvation. None of the stories were true, of course — Jews and infidels see no power at all in those little crackers, and the idea that they were obsessing over obtaining a non-sacred, powerless, pointless relic is ludicrous — but heck, it's a cheap excuse to make accusations illustrated by cheesy woodcuts of hook-nosed Jews hammering nails into communion wafers and lurid tales of blood-spurting crackers and hosts that pulsed like and beating heart, and thereby providing a pretext to encourage massacres.


The first recorded accusation was made in 1243 at Berlitz, near Berlin. As a consequence all the Jews of Berlitz were burned on the spot, which was subsequently called Judenberg. Another famous case that took place in 1290, in Paris, was commemorated in the Church of the Rue des Billettes and in a local confraternity. In 1370 in Brussels, the charge of host desecration, long celebrated in a special fest and depicted in artistic relics in the Church of St. Gudule, led to the extermination of the Jews of the city. The case of 1337, at Deggendorf, still celebrated locally as "Deggendorf Gnad", led to a series of massacres across the region. In 1510, at Knoblauch, near Berlin, 38 Jews were executed and more expelled from Brandenburg. The alleged host desecration in 1410, at Segovia, was said to have brought about an earthquake, and as a result, the local synagogue was confiscated and leading Jews were executed; the event continues to be celebrated as a local feast of Corpus Christi. Similar accusations, resulting in extensive persecution of Jews, were brought forward in 1294, at Laa, Austria; 1298, at Röttingen, near Würzburg, and at Korneuburg, near Vienna; 1299, at Ratisbon; 1306, at St. Pölten; 1325, at Cracow; 1330, at Güstrow; 1338, at Pulkau; 1388, at Prague; 1399, at Posen; 1401, at Glogau; 1420, at Ems; 1453, at Breslau; 1478, at Passau; 1492, at Sternberg, in Mecklenburg-Schwerin; 1514, at Mittelberg, in Alsace; 1558, at Sochaczew, in Poland. The last Jew burned for stealing a host died in 1631, according to Jacques Basnage, quoting from Manasseh b. Israel. Casimir IV. of Poland (1447).

That is the true power of the cracker, this silly symbol of superstition. Fortunately, Catholicism has mellowed with age — the last time a Catholic nation rose up to slaughter its non-Christian citizenry was a whole 70 years ago, after all — but the sentiment still lingers. Catholicism has been actively poisoning the minds of its practitioners with the most amazing bullshit for years, and until recently, I had no idea that a significant number of people actually believed this nonsense, or that the hatred was still simmering there, waiting for an opportunity to rise up in misplaced defense of absurdity.



All of the regular readers have seen it — thousands of mindless comments by Catholics, demanding that no harm come to a cracker. My email is melting down with swarms of insults, threats, pleas, and promises of prayers because I threatened to violate one of their holy crackers. In my years of loud and often inflammatory blogging, it is the most impressive demonstration of mass lunacy I have ever seen.



Mark Sutton is representative of the majority of my email. No threats, at least, but instead he simply takes for granted an astonishing piece of insanity.

Professor Myers,

I was saddened to hear of your plans to harm our Lord Jesus Christ.

It obviously isn't the first time and it won't be the last.

I know you do not believe, but what if it truly is Jesus that you are attempting to hurt?

You are in my prayers.

You would not believe how many people are writing to me, insisting that these horrible little crackers (they look like flattened bits of styrofoam) are literally pieces of their god, and that this omnipotent being who created the universe can actually be seriously harmed by some third-rate liberal intellectual at a third-rate university (the diminution of my vast powers is also a common theme).


Jim Nicholson cranks up the crazy even more. Not many accused me of being a freemason — I've got lots that call me a Jew, which is illuminating given the history of this issue — and I cringe at the thought of a circumcised heart. But yeah, this kind of angry rant is fairly common, too.

You must be the devil himself as even he knows the power in the Holy Eucharist (don't you dare disparage the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ by calling Him Who died for you a cracker!). You must be a freemason, or just a very sick man who needs healing and believe me, I will pray for your conversion. Pray you live to see that day so you can ask Him to forgive you and your uncircumcised heart. Just the mere thought of desecrating the Holy Eucharist is enough to get one into hell, but, maybe that is, for now, the horrible place you are aiming for. I dare you to read about Our Lady of Fatima and the accounts of hell as the three children saw, then, maybe you will change you sick mind. God forgive you. However, it was great that you got many people praying for your conversion since you showed the world how sick you are, and maybe God will convert your hard heart. Pity you. From a lay evangelist who prays for you and the rest of this sick world of secular humanists.

Another common theme has been the attempt to turn away the desecration of a Catholic symbol into the desecration of an Islamic symbol. Obviously, it's not desecration they find disagreeable — it's the idea that someone would offend their weird sectarian sensibilities. Here's one from Jack Isaacks that fits the mold.

Dear Professor Meyers,

If you REALLY want to do a courageous, revolutionary act, defecate publicly on a copy of the Quran.


Or do you have the cojones?



Christians won't attack you for desecrating a host, but will those wonderful cuddly peace-loving Muslims be as forbearing if you used their book for a toilet?


Well, how brave are you?

Yeah, right. Catholics won't attack me, but Muslims will. Never mind that the Catholic League demands that I be fired, thousands of Catholics write to me demanding I be kicked out of the university immediately, and that they send me death threats, both the explicit kind and the vaguely menacing kind. Let's not forget Webster Cook, who started this all by simply walking back to his seat with a cracker, and now faces censure and possible expulsion from his university. Oh, those Catholics sure are forbearing and tolerant.



And since I mentioned yesterday that I was taking my oldest son to the movies, these good Catholics have leapt to the opportunity. Since I'm not demonstrating any fear over their threats against me, well hey, let's try a new target! KJ Atkins of Bellarmine University thinks cowardly warnings against my family might be effective.

You fool, the vengeance for your sacrilege will not be . exhausted against you, but it will be carried out on your child. Wait and see.

Oh, I'm sorry, KJ. I'm only impressed by significant material concerns, and yours and other slanders against my family (I'm looking at you, Miki Tracy, the despicable person who thinks making up lies about my father might be persuasive) are not going to convince me of anything other than that religion breeds the most disgustingly vile haters in our country, and that Catholicism fits right in with the rest. I will note, however, that since Bill Donohue tried to get CAIR to join him in his crusade, I have gotten no email from outraged Muslims, over a span of time in which I've received thousands of Catholic hate mail messages.



If you want to see the deep danger of religion, you have to read this comment from Isaac.

As a Christian it is an insult for anyone to call my beliefs stupid shit. I have respected every religion and every idea for years.

Ah, what a beautiful illustration of the complete open mind — utterly undiscriminating, lacking any criteria for acceptance, simply blissfully and uncritically according every idea his full respect. Although, of course, it's also a lie: Isaac does not regard every idea as equally deserving, since he clearly considers the atheist idea that the sacraments of his faith are empty foolishness to be an outrage. Rather, what he loves is the idea that everyone else must respect his beliefs, no matter what they are, and that any disagreement is an insult. This is exactly the kind of uncritical, unskeptical, nonjudgmental idiocy all religions seek to promulgate, because they all know that if we tore off the blinders of tradition and artificiality and mindless etiquette, we'd see right through their lies. Respect every idea! Especially mine! And if you find the idea that this cracker is a god stupid, why, you must be disrespectful and no gentleman!



For even deeper inanity, let's not forget the Catholic blogs! We're talking some serious derangement there: look at Mark Shea's reaction.

I won't mince words. Myers is an evil man. And as evil men, particularly evil intellectuals, tend to be, he is also a mad man as are most of his acolytes and followers.

Myers and Co. are enmeshed in these lies because they have chosen evil. It is evil--archetypally evil--to desecrate the Eucharist. It's the sort of stuff archetypal bad guys in the movies do. It's completely unnecessary gratuitous evil.

To the Mark Shea's of the world, I would say…it's just a cracker.



I think if I were truly evil, I would have to demand that all of my acolytes be celibate, but would turn a blind eye to any sexual depravities they might commit. If I wanted to be an evil hypocrite, I'd drape myself in expensive jeweled robes and live in an ornate palace while telling all my followers that poverty is a virtue. If I wanted to commit world-class evil, I'd undermine efforts at family planning by the poor, especially if I could simultaneously enable the spread of deadly diseases. And if I wanted to be so evil that I would commit a devastating crime against the whole of the human race, twisting the minds of children into ignorance and hatred, I would be promoting the indoctrination of religion in children's upbringing, and fomenting hatred against anyone who dared speak out in defiance.



I'm sorry to say that I only aspire to be a teeny-tiny bit evil, and my target is a handful of virtually inedible crackers in my possession. It's not much, and all I can say in my defense is…it's a start. A very small start. I'm going to need lots and lots of people to rise up and follow suit, subjecting old, dishonest institutions of hardened dogma to our chief weapon of ridicule and deris…our two weapons of ridicule, derision and laughter…no, three weapons of ridicule, derision, laughter, and skeptici…oh, never mind. You know what I mean. Get to work.


*****



OK, time for the anticlimax. I know some of you have proposed intricate plans for how to do horrible things to these crackers, but I repeat…it's just a cracker. I wasn't going to make any major investment of time, money, or effort in treating these dabs of unpleasantness as they deserve, because all they deserve is casual disposal. However, inspired by an old woodcut of Jews stabbing the host, I thought of a simple, quick thing to do: I pierced it with a rusty nail (I hope Jesus's tetanus shots are up to date). And then I simply threw it in the trash, followed by the classic, decorative items of trash cans everywhere, old coffeegrounds and a banana peel. My apologies to those who hoped for more, but the worst I can do is show my unconcerned contempt.


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By the way, I didn't want to single out just the cracker, so I nailed it to a few ripped-out pages from the Qur'an and The God Delusion. They are just paper. Nothing must be held sacred. Question everything. God is not great, Jesus is not your lord, you are not disciples of any charismatic prophet. You are all human beings who must make your way through your life by thinking and learning, and you have the job of advancing humanity's knowledge by winnowing out the errors of past generations and finding deeper understanding of reality. You will not find wisdom in rituals and sacraments and dogma, which build only self-satisfied ignorance, but you can find truth by looking at your world with fresh eyes and a questioning mind.

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PZ Myers is a biologist and associate professor at the University of Minnesota, Morris. He runs the science blog, Pharyngula.


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I remember being shocked ...
Posted by: Bbear41 on Jul 26, 2008 12:14 PM   
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... When I learned that any consecrated Catholic altar had to contain a 'primary relic' i.e. a bit of a saint's body. 'How primitive,' I thought. I didn't know the half of it.

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Religion
Posted by: samd11 on Jul 26, 2008 12:29 PM   
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As an Opiate of the masses, religion is perhaps the most dangerous drug known to mankind. While I appreciate that it can help many people overcome obstacles in their lives, its power to do great harm should never be ignored. Use with caution!

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I was with you until...
Posted by: Miki on Jul 26, 2008 12:39 PM   
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Nothing is sacred.

If you had written "No thing is sacred," then maybe I would be less resistant to your article's end.

There are things that I find sacred. Life is sacred. Those who have threatened you and your family, and those who have threatened Cook don't find life sacred.

I also find that in ritual there can be wisdom gained, a deeper understanding of reality, but I speak as a Native person who rejected the dogma of Catholicism a long time ago.

Also, may I say that if biology ceases to interest you, maybe a career in performance art? I had a visceral reaction to the picture of "books as paper" (more so than the "Eucharist as cracker") Reminded me too much of book burning.

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What happens to Jesus' body after you chop down on him?
Posted by: awesome anna on Jul 26, 2008 12:46 PM   
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I have a question. Do these people realize that when they eat this "cracker," which I find interesting that this word is also a derogatory term for white people, that they just poop it out in the end? I want to know how they feel about eating (cannibalism) their god and then digesting and pooping him out. I mean... that's not how I'd want my people to worship me. Flushing me willy nilly down the toilet until they repeat it again the next week? That seems a little evil if you ask me.

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If Catholics really believe this cracker...
Posted by: Pauline2005 on Jul 26, 2008 2:08 PM   
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... is the body and blood of Jesus, and they're eating it, I call that cannibalism.

It doesn't matter that it's only a cracker, it's their belief that they're actually eating part of a human being that defies, well... belief.

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Hmmm...
Posted by: writer7 on Jul 26, 2008 3:44 PM   
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I wonder why this guy is so angry with the catholic church - I can understand questioning the creepy, backward rituals that the church is rife with but this guy is just out to piss catholics off by dissing their religion - not a good thing no matter how you feel about it. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, no matter how odd they may seem to someone else. I'm not a religious person by any means but I would never laugh at or dismiss someone else's beliefs. Me thinks he likes to make waves for the sake of making waves.

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ROFL
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Jul 26, 2008 4:04 PM   
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This diatribe was hilarious.

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An open letter to the professor...
Posted by: Gungneir on Jul 26, 2008 8:19 PM   
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First of all, I agree with the professor on the despicable practice of anti-Semetism that has influenced Catholicism's treatment of them over the centuries. Still, I question the star branding of Jews that he cited as predating the Nazis. While I can see it happening that far back, it also strikes me as a little too convinient to take on, well, faith. If anyone has proof of this, let me know. It is worth mentioning that the king of Denmark wore a Star of David with the rest of the royal family when the Nazis laid down that edict for Jews in WWII.

Furthermore, seeing as all the threats and attacks have little if anything to do with the Jesus they're trying to defend, the hate mail received by the professor is inexcusable. In my experience, it points to a weakness of faith that must be covered at all costs. Protestantism is just as guilty of this, let me assure you.

But...this also does not excuse your own hate, Professor. I realize, given the viciousness of the attacks you've suffered, that you want to lash out just as hard and vicious. The problem with that is that your emotional outbursts weaken your own argument for rational atheism. It points to a chink in your armor that your opponents will exploit mercilessly. They may not have the great peace they claim, but you've just given them proof that you don't either. As Carl Jung once pointed out, it's possible to talk sensibly to people as long as the emotional heat doesn't reach a certain temperature (9/11, anyone?). After that, all bets are off. In that respect, you and your detractors stand on opposite ends of the same sinking ship.

Frankly, I abhor both the religionists' screeds and your counter-arguments with the same passion, Professor. The churchs used their supposed divine connections to amass power here on Earth and woe betide anyone who said or lived any different(just ask my Cherokee relatives). On the other hand, your brand of rationalism spawned two devastating world wars, unconscionable ecological disaster, and a society so in love with facts and figures that it can't conceive of anything outside its box. Worst of all, it offers neither comfort nor defense when the emotional needs and wounds cut too deep, just PILLS.

If we manage to survive long enough, I have a feeling that this little debate will, one day, be looked upon with the same quaintness of the gold vs. silver debate in the late 1800s. It's a new century, Professor. Leave your old 20th century prejudices in the past where they belong.

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Recovered Catholic- Thank God
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jul 27, 2008 6:07 AM   
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When I meet other's who state they are 'Atheist' I ask what were You.. Mostly Ex Catholic or Jews, and some others from hate and Oppressed minded Religions too.
Having escaped one overbearing and heretical ideology- i have stayed away from all other types of Heirarchial Organized Religions. I now practice my faith in a more personal and private way. As soon as One person must conform with another regarding their relationship and interaction with that which encompasses our hopes and dreams, You have allowed a middleman to enter the relationship, an intepretor who has not proof a true credentials.
As for the Catholic Church- it was a Tool developed by such self promoters as Peter and Paul to claim Divinity and judgement above & beyond God's- in the name of their 'idol' jesus'. Have many have these representative of the 'Church' laid upon the alter as sacrifics, in the Name of and to their Idol?Jews,Protestants, Muslims, Women, children...???
I will not ever return or condone that, nor any other religion which has taken on the most unholy of tactics and is stained with so much Blood and suffering.
Benedict finally admitted the Templars were not Heretics- 700 yrs later. When will he finally seek redemption for the acts of Heresay which the past popes, and clergy, have committed against Humanity?

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wondering
Posted by: richardpmendola on Jul 27, 2008 6:47 AM   
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"For God so loved the world he gave his only son."
Anyone who believes this or in the literal fact of communion should be utterly and completely transformed. Not just "saved." I mean glow in the dark, music of the spheres changed. This is powerful stuff! Nothing conceivable could be better!

Alas. Or to borrow a metaphor, show me the money. Or "by their fruit ye shall know them." Far be it from me to say what is or is not true, but, for example, I would expect a magnet to attract iron.

If a group of people hold the absolute truth to the universe--and are privileged to ingest it as an added bonus--good for them. They should be obvious not just in their claims but in their manifest grace, their radiance, their wisdom and justice, their compassion. So go for it Catholics, Protestants, anyone else! I'm rooting for you. If you win, I win. I'll rejoin in a heartbeat should you . . . but wait, you haven't that I can see, and you've had a few years to do it in.

Brothers and Sisters, I don't need miracles in order to believe. Just the one thing. I'll know it when I see it. God power. Good Power. An overwhelming generosity of spirit characterized in the phrase "For God so loved the world. . ."

What a beautiful belief you have! What a waste!

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What's wrong with these (so-called) Catholics?
Posted by: ikonoklast on Jul 27, 2008 8:04 AM   
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Don't they realize that, as a primary tenet of their faith, they are required to believe that Jesus has already died for the sins of mankind? All of them, including whatever desecration PZ Myers might inflict on the Host. It's already taken care of. Jesus himself has let PZ Myers off the hook. Are they second-guessing Jesus? Maybe they're the real apostates here.

Or maybe, just maybe, they're hypocrites with no more faith than myself (atheist and antichrist, at your service), just a terrible social and political agenda that they're willing to advance by any means necessary. Overt operatives of the culture war, debasing the name of their alleged savior for their own vanity and a fleeting grasp at temporal power.

Thank you, PZ Myers, for taking this risk on yourself to expose and ridicule these pseudo-religious charlatans.

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syed mahdi
Posted by: salamah on Jul 28, 2008 10:47 AM   
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For non-Christian and not so Christian readers the word 'Passion' is used to describe the sufferings endured by the Messiah from the hour he was arrested by the Romans in the Garden of Gethsemane on charges of sedition leveled against him by the leaders of the Jews, to the time he died on the Cross. Mel Gibson's film, PASSION, was his version of the said suffering.
What has worried the Jews most, for two millenniums, is the question of the Blood of Jesus, that is, who is to be blamed and held responsible for its spilling. All this time Christians have been pointing their fingers at Jews, all Jews and not a selected few, which accusation is diagnosed as the base cause for anti-Semitism. It is only during the past Century, more so after the Holocaust, that Jews are being absolved of the responsibility for the blood of Jesus, Church by Church, Continent by Continent, in step with the ever growing political and financial strength of Jews. Be that as it may, the two millennium old 'dossier' is still very much alive in the hearts and minds of most Christians despite all the wealth spent and pains taken by the Jews to have it dumped into history's trash bin. It simply won't go away. Someone like Mel Gibson always pops up to remind the Christians about who caused the Passion!
Although, I have sincere sympathy for the Jews for having collectively suffered discrimination and persecution for two thousand years as a result of an indictment which never went to Court, I pity them for not taking recourse to the Koran (Allah's revelation to His Messenger, Mohammed, a descendant of Isaac's half-brother Ishmael) to absolve them from this ancient accusation. Had they done so, the Jews would have emerged scot-free, fourteen hundred odd years back, thereby escaping later persecutions and massacres at the hands of the Crusaders or during the Spanish Inquisition or in the Holocaust.
According to the Koran, Jesus was not crucified at Golgotha; it only appeared to be so to the onlookers.
It is narrated in the Gospels that on the way to Golgotha it was pitch dark interspersed with thunder and lightning. During this journey the Cross fell off Jesus’ shoulders and someone was seen running away from under the Cross, naked. It was then put back on Jesus’ shoulders.
Is there a possibility that Allah replaced Jesus with a substitute, perhaps Judas Iscariot himself for his betrayal of Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane and for his reported resemblance to Jesus or because Judas decided to atone for his betrayal of his Master?
If so, is it not then reasonable that what Jesus really meant by telling Peter about the latter denying Jesus THRICE etc was related to Peter's later denials of the replacement and not of Jesus? If the prediction was related to Peter's denial of his Master, Jesus, then the apostles and disciples of Jesus who had surely heard the prediction, would have surely abandoned Peter after the Crucifixion and NOT followed Peter as their Leader after the Crucifixion, as they did!
It is also narrated in the Gospels that the dead body of Jesus (in reality that of the replacement) was handed over by the Romans to his mother, Mary, for burial which she did by first depositing the body temporarily in a cave awaiting proper burial the following morning.
Is it possible that Mary knew what had taken place? Logic says she was aware of what had taken place, because, the cadaver of the 'replacement' simply vanished during the night, with the storm providing excellent cover. Discovery of the identity of the cadaver could have jeopardized the life of her son again. What confirms this possibility is the fact that in none of the Gospels is there any mention of Jesus' proper burial the following morning. Should not the Jews make use of the revelations in the Koran to refute the two millennium old charges against them?

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» RE: syed mahdi Posted by: revjmike
Unjustified
Posted by: Zagreus221 on Jul 28, 2008 11:15 AM   
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When it comes to assassinating religious belief, hypocrisy is the only voice on stage. Representatives of any and every cause almost always betray that very cause at one point or another. Engineers often take shortcuts to save money, sometimes with disastrous results. Does that mean that physics is hocus-pocus or that engineers aren’t always what they crack themselves up to be. When a Jewish or Muslim state decide to stockpile nuclear weapons in order to destroy the world for a salvation that is exclusively theirs, is it the religion that is at fault or daffy megalomaniacs in pursuit of some self-fulfilling fantasy. Since criticism of Judaism would be spun as anti-Semitic, and criticism of Islam would bring reprisals and riots, I suppose that Catholicism is the only whipping boy left in town for such cowardly and hypocritical diatribe.

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If this bit of wheat.......
Posted by: tap17x on Jul 28, 2008 11:48 AM   
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If this stupid bit of wheat is really part (all?) of the body of ol' JC, then all you imbecilic literal-minded pigfuckers are really committing cannibalism. Right? What if you happen to gobble part of his dick? Does that amount to giving him a CB (Consecrated Blowjob)? What if the bit of wheat is his asshole and he forgot to wipe properly? Wouldn't that be coprophilia? If you happen to bite on one of his eyeballs, shouldn’t it burst with juice like a grape? If the wine is really his blood, aren’t you all really doing the vampire thing? (Don't forget to sharpen your teeth!) Don’t you ever stop to think that munching on his body might hurt him a wee bit? Since a cheap bit of cracker is not as tough as bone, aren’t you cheating? What pitiful jackass invented this stupid Eucharist idea, anyway?
Your literal beliefs raise some mighty interesting questions, similar to my question that if the Virgin Mary literally ascended to Heaven, what was she wearing? Underwear, or none? Did she need a bra? Maybe she was naked?
None of the above is intended to be disrespectful to any of you infantile, deluded believers.

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2-4-6-8 time to transubstantiate
Posted by: s.duplantier on Jul 28, 2008 12:35 PM   
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(Credits to Tom Lehrer for the post title).

This issue would hinge on the biology of so-called transubstantiation--something difficult to do since this purported miracle only happens when a male priest utters a few magic words while holding a dried thin, unleavened white flour "cracker."

They taste like a piece of starch and when I was a kid and trotted up to the communion rail for a serving of Jesus, it usually stuck to the roof of my mouth. The rest of the Mass was spent trying to dislodge it with your tongue only. Because if you stuck your finger in your mouth and tried to unstick it, it was really bad and you would probably go to hell for touching Jesus. The illogic of not being able to touch it, yet eating it, digesting it and then defecating God was a matter the theologians didn't bother with. Also, if you did poke it with your finger, exactly what part of the mini-Jesus's body would you be poking? Hmmm?

OK, so you eat God and although it looks like a piece of unappetizing carbohydrate, it's really the protein, cartilage, blood, plasma and assorted other bodily fluids of a Jewish God/man who died 2000 years ago. So how many calories are we talking about here?

Another thing, vegans obviously cannot be Catholics, But interestingly, can those with wheat allergies, sprue, or Celiac disease partake? Hmmm?


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I can just picture the theologians responsible for this so-called doctrine in a secret room in the Vatican years ago when this nonsense was cooked up laughing and slapping their knees when they came up with "transubstantiation." Some of them had to be thinking "Naah, no one will believe this one!"

But of course the "fathful" did believe it (under the gentle persuasive power of threats of eternal damnation in "Hell," or the torture instruments of the Inquisition.)

The funny thing is that if the Catholics could somehow reliably ask Jesus directly what he meant when he allegedly said "This is my body" at the Last Supper, he would say "No a*s*s*h*o*l*e*s, I obviously meant it as a symbol."

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ALL RELIGIONS ARE BASED ON ASTROLOGY
Posted by: Theodorely on Jul 28, 2008 2:44 PM   
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In the Council of Nicea Jesus became divine by one vote.
There is a movie called Zeitgeist; it may be on YouTube, I don't know, which explains very well how all religions (all of them yes) are based on astrology.
There have been many saviors; all born of a virgin (Virgo) 12 friends or disciples (12 houses of the zodiac, born on December 25th, crucified and rose again. Crucifixon is December 22, 23, 24 when the Sun dies and is resurrected again. The cross is from the astrological chart.
As persons worldwide learn of the deception of the early christian people and those of today, more and more will leave the "institutionalized churches" and move on to the churches of Science of Mind, Church of Religious Science and Uninitarian Universalist. The UU's are especially involoved in social justice which benefits all of us in the long run.
Many have known of this deception for years; this is not new information; it is just now a flowing of information to the masses.
Pope Leo said, "This myth of Jesus has served us well." Other little known history; popes could buy themselves a popeship like the Medicis; some early popes were married and some were gay. The Medicis brought in the concept of usury, which the jews never wanted. After that through usuery and wars the Vatican became as powerful as some nation states.
Look up info on the Gnostics; early followers who didn't believe in Jesus' divinity; interestingly they have been almost exterminated in the Iraq war. What's that all about????
The Age of Aquarius is coming in and with it the rise in consiousness of the masses. Institutionalized religion is in its' death throes as more people learn that no church, person, place or thing is more inportant than they are themselves.

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JESUS NEVER LIVED
Posted by: Theodorely on Jul 28, 2008 2:53 PM   
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The person Jesus never lived. The historians of his day never wrote of him. The remarks of him in Josephus's histories are now known to be forgeries. A book titled the Christ Conspirarcy explains why Jesus is most likely a ficticious person.
Did you ever consider this idea:
If christianity is supposedly such a wonderful boon to mankind, why did the church have to maim and kill their opponents? There is another speculation that the catholic church murdered the good Pope John. I refer you to a book titled Popesa.

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God Created Man?
Posted by: JonA on Jul 28, 2008 6:01 PM   
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Let's just say that God (A God) created man & woman. And shortly after, man created religion....and that controlled religion has caused more deaths against man-kind than any other known cause. Just throwning up a thought to those who believe that their religion is the only religion. Life is to short to take such a narrow controlling path.

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Organized religion is all about...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Jul 29, 2008 4:40 PM   
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... money and power!

superstitious ignorant and un-educated masses make religion a serious mental health issue which influences events, places and things of all kinds...

in the end it's suppose to be about reflection and redemption of past wrongs, but past wrongs can never be redeemed without the oppressed bearing witness to the process involved, no matter how close 1 person is to the almighty!

The Catholic Church has been a malignant stain on true faith since it's inception, and has always used its base in the "OLD" Roman Republic as its tenant and anchor for others to emulate and follow.
If you don't follow their tenants then you are a heathen, excommunicated... even murdered... all in order to save their version of a soul.

Yeah... Mao was right...
Religion is an Opiate to the masses

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They really beileve priests use magic to summon jesus and imbue a cracker with him?
Posted by: blogbooks on Aug 5, 2008 3:35 PM   
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Holy shit, humanity is dumber than I thought.

Truly amazing.

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