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Professor Ticketed for "No to Empire" Bumper Sticker

Posted by Matthew Rothschild, The Progressive at 8:36 AM on July 8, 2008.


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Professor Robert Ovetz was driving through San Francisco on the morning of June 30 when he saw the lights of a police car behind him.

Ovetz pulled over.

"When the officer came up to my window, he asked the typical police requests: registration, drivers’ license, insurance card," says Ovetz. "I asked him why he was pulling me over. And he said because of the bumper sticker on my back window."

That sticker says, "No to Empire," in large bold letters, and on the bottom in very small letters, "www.thenation.com," Ovetz notes. It’s a bumper sticker from The Nation magazine.

Ovetz’s first reaction was to laugh, he says.

Then he recalls the following conversation:

"How could it be illegal for me to have a bumper sticker on my back windshield?"

"It’s obscuring your view."

"You’re just trampling on my free speech rights."

"No sir, I’m just doing my job."

At that point, the officer went back to his squad car for a few minutes.

When he returned, he gave Ovetz a ticket.

That ticket cited part of the vehicle code that prohibits driving a car if the "driver’s clear vision" is "obstructed by snow or ice" on the car windows.

"I’ve never seen snow in June in San Francisco," says Ovetz’s attorney, Ross Dreyer.

The officer’s name is Mike Mitchell (Star number 4160), according to Ovetz, who notified him that he would be publicizing this incident.

"I asked to get the spelling of his name and told him I’ll be doing a press release on this," Ovetz said. "And I asked him, "What if the sticker had said, Yes to Empire, would you have still ticketed me?’ "

According to Ovetz, Officer Mitchell responded: "I don’t care if you’re a Star Wars fan, or not."

Ovetz responded: "You know, clearly you’re just harassing me because of what it says."

The officer remained polite, Ovetz says, and told him that if he removed the sticker, he could go to court and the ticket would be dismissed, possibly with a small fine.

"And I said, ‘I’m not removing the sticker.’ That was pretty much it."

Ovetz believes he was a victim of "selective enforcement because of his political message and the policeman’s own bias."

A lot of other cars have "a spare tire, or another sticker, or a bicycle car rack" that could be cited for obstructing the view, he says.

"We’re filing a petition to the court to have the charges dropped," he says. Ovetz, a professor of political science and sociology at the College of Marin and Cañada College, bemoans the state of our civil liberties. "We can’t even speak about the implication of empire in our country," he says. In his press release, he added: "It is disturbing that in one of the most liberal cities in America, citizens cannot freely express their opinions without fear of government harassment and intimidation."

Sergeant Wilfred Williams is a public information officer at the San Francisco Police Department.

"He can protest the ticket," says Sergeant Williams, who offers "no comment in regards to the officer doing his job."

[Ed: You can buy your very own "No To Empire" bumper sticker (pictured above) at the Nation Store.]

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Matthew Rothschild is the editor of The Progressive.


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Wow.
Posted by: Quannah on Jul 8, 2008 9:07 AM   
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unfuckingbelievable.

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What happened to the police department? Oh.....
Posted by: Susan Kipping on Jul 8, 2008 9:52 AM   
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As if we do not have enough problems in this country. I hope the ACLU gets in on this.

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» ...And if they don't? Posted by: E.H.W.
Officer is a loyal brownshirt doing his job
Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Jul 8, 2008 10:00 AM   
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We have become a fascist state, and as such incidents are common.

The victim here happens to be someone with higher education, knows a thing or two about his 'rights'.

How many incidents go unreported because the victim happens to be some young college kid?

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uh...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jul 8, 2008 10:06 AM   
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How is ANYONE surprised by this?

You folks need to get out more. This sort of thing happens very often, though only over the last few years has it been happening so often to the clean-cut middle class.

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» Middle Class America Posted by: Cathyc
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Do Your Homework Before Making a Fool of Yourself!
Posted by: nousername on Jul 8, 2008 10:10 AM   
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California Vehicle Code Section 26708(a)(1): "No person shall drive any motor vehicle with any object or material placed, displayed, installed, affixed, or applied upon the windshield or side or rear windows." Section 26708(b): "This section does not apply to any of the following: ... (3)...signs, stickers, or other materials which are displayed in a 7-inch square in the lower corner of the rear window farthest removed from the driver..."

What a jerk!

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» I agree Posted by: fluffmuffinmom
» RE: I agree Posted by: acrobaticrabbit
» RE: I agree Posted by: blitzmesser
» That was my first thought too Posted by: newtype_alpha
» Thanks for that post Posted by: fanny666
sf ciudad
Posted by: tecpatl on Jul 8, 2008 1:03 PM   
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That's San Francisco for ya! I've lived here most of my life and cops are cops wherever you go. I got arrested for being out past martial law curfew the day after the Rodney King riots. Curfew was at 9:00 pm but I got arrested at 6:30! The cops just circled us, swung their 4-foot riot batons and forced us into a circle on the ground. None of them would speak a single word. If we tried to leave, they swung their batons at us. At 9:01, a sergeant came over and announced that we were under arrest for violating martial law and that we would be charged with 6 felonies. Since they never said a word, they had not OFFICIALLY arrested us until 9:01! Until then, we were "free" to leave, although that would bring a 4' baton to the head. Pretty tricky, eh? Only problem for me was that I was walking from my house in the Mission to get something to eat, not protesting. They jailed me for two days. I have a 16-page court decision that proves everything I say and City of SF paid for a semester of college after losing lawsuit.

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» RE: sf ciudad Posted by: cacky
» RE: sf ciudad Posted by: nochicagoboys
Yet THIS dude drives around with no problem...
Posted by: fanny666 on Jul 8, 2008 2:09 PM   
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Enlightened Motorist

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Sorry poor article
Posted by: RobNLA on Jul 8, 2008 2:32 PM   
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Someone gets a fix-it ticket for putting a sticker on his back window. Guess what I've gotten the same ticket for a product related sticker.

In a similar situation, my brother got a ticket for tinting his front side windows. You can tint the back and back side windows but that's it.

I would argue that many of these rules are simply ways for the government to collect money without imposing new taxes.

The officer didn't care what the message was, he was just enforcing the law and helping fill the coffers of the government as a result.

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I Hate To Say It...
Posted by: loxias on Jul 8, 2008 3:36 PM   
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but it seems that it may have been a mistake to assume that it was politically motivated ticketing. Especially the Star Wars comment. I mean honestly, how many patrol officers would even get the political message of No To Empire. Be serious, I'm not casting dispersion. Maybe one person I work with would get the dissenting message. While I think this professor may have had a knee-jerk reaction, I could be wrong. Considering what a lot of people in CA have on their cars, if the police decided to get political, crime would skyrocket - the entire force would be tied up on the highways infinitely...

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» RE: I Hate To Say It... Posted by: tornadorider2002
It's happening all over... check this one out that happened in SC
Posted by: Smackback on Jul 8, 2008 4:15 PM   
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http://www.wyff4.com/newsarchive/4643120/detail.html

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I'd like to see those giant Dixie Flag flyers on their pickup trucks get a ticket
Posted by: doinaheckuvajob on Jul 8, 2008 4:27 PM   
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based on obstructing back windshield view.

Really, though, the cop was just doing his job according to vehicle code, and cops often have ticket quotas to meet. That's when they'll stop people for minor infractions that really don't affect public safety much but help remind people to follow the laws, or at least check if there's a cop nearby before they break them.

I mean, if a cop stopped you in CA for talking on your cellphone without a hands free set up, which is now illegal, and you were talking about how much you hate Bush, would you then conclude the cop was targeting your politics? I hope not. But if the cop then tasered you, you might have a case for either police brutality and/or political repression.

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I agree with those
Posted by: chaoslegs on Jul 8, 2008 7:22 PM   
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that don't think this is politically motivated, but more just selective (not everyone, just when less pressing things to do)enforcement.

Of course my question always is to the professor, they call it a bumper sticker, why not put it on the bumper? If you feel strongly enough, just do it.

And yes, I have had people try to scratch of some of my bumper stickers that they didn't agree with, "What would Wellstone do?" If you are going to make a statement, take a little risk and make it permanent.

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????
Posted by: rucognizant on Jul 8, 2008 7:26 PM   
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In Maine it seems to be a trend to have a lettered memorial to your lost loved one across the back window of a car! In white letters, they take up a considerable amount of the window with pertinent information.

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And the librarian in
Posted by: Jeanne on Jul 8, 2008 10:16 PM   
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Colorado was ticketed and expelled from a public place where McCain was scheduled to appear because she had a sign that said "McCain = Bush". How much longer until they dispense with the tickets and send us straight to jail?

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» that's why they have tasers... Posted by: BlueBerry PickN
COPS
Posted by: gellero1 on Jul 8, 2008 11:09 PM   
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they do this stuff all the time....has nothing to do with politics.

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Robo-cock gone Wild!
Posted by: williameon on Jul 9, 2008 5:31 AM   
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Do you really think things will change?
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Don't jump to conclusions
Posted by: Axiom69 on Jul 9, 2008 5:36 AM   
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I have to say that the cop probably was being a jerk. Not a political jerk as the author suggests but just your garden variety kind that would bother writing someone a ticket for having a "star wars" sticker on his window.

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» RE: Don't jump to conclusions Posted by: aalif ba ta tha
The Word and the Deed
Posted by: talkville on Jul 9, 2008 6:42 AM   
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The terms "Safety" and "Security", especially when oriented to the goals of Purity, Totality and Perfection, are among the highest, if not the highest, pre-texts for the Establishment of Legal and Actual conditions of Absolute Rule.

What individuals and what institutions are asserting the Power to tell another or others "No!"? What Rights do they invoke and in relation to what do they justify this Power?

"The ruling ideas of any epoch are always the ideas of the ruling class."

Today, the ruling class is Safe and Secure and getting more so daily; at the point of a gun.

It is the Triumph of Will. And "Force Sh*ts on the Back of Reason" as Mr Franklin was known to quip.

Of the Premises: "This is a democracy", "this is a republic", and "this is an Empire", it is this last one which is actually and on over-whelming evidence the most accurate one.

Each makes the bed they lie on. Each accepts the implications, effects and consequences.

It all begins and ends with the Police-stop and the Ticket. And for "Safety" and "Security", the Police will stop, detain and if necessary kill. And as with a single and relatively 'insignificant' individual on a city street, so with countries and the planet and large numbers of single, relatively 'insignificant' individuals who happen to say things, wear things, and live in ways that are not "Safe" or "Secure" for the Purity, Totality and Perfection of other individuals who possess the Will and the Force necessary to maintain it, in words and deeds.

Thus for all the rest of us, here and everywhere, the most perfect Freedom we enjoy is Un-Freedom; the most perfect Security we enjoy is In-Security; the most Safe position we occupy is Un-Safe.

Most people are Law-Abiding; but when most people Abide the Law blindly and unquestioning only slavery and servitude can flourish.

We ARE Empire; from this premise some Begin; others End. Others continue in tinier and tinier circles of democracies or republics. If you don't agree, the Policeman is there to re-inforce the point and make quite sure you do. He follows Law to the letter; and acts accordingly, in Service to those who Pay him; no need to be too hasty in including yourself in that Group, even though a tax-payer. There are always others who might Pay a little better.

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Our police are being trained by Blackwater
Posted by: Bastet62 on Jul 9, 2008 7:25 AM   
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And it's spreading almost as fast as a California fire! If you've been wondering why police brutality etc is up - there's your explanation. Just google it.
God bless and taser America!

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Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
Posted by: warreno on Jul 9, 2008 8:35 AM   
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Not everything is politically motivated. Sometimes you just get a ticket because of low quotas and having an item placed, illegally, in your rear window.

There isn't always a hidden, sinister agenda to the actions of government or its agencies; sometimes it's just the stupidity of bureaucracy.

This story's knee-jerk response to a traffic ticket plays right into the hands of those who want to paint liberals as hysterical, whiny crybabies.

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» "when all you've got is a hammer... " Posted by: BlueBerry PickN
Irate ACLU member speaks . . .
Posted by: Roadwytch on Jul 9, 2008 8:37 AM   
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If I find that the ACLU waste even a nanosecond defending this clown won't be renewing my membership . .

Bumperstickers belong on your bumper for one,no matter what it's message may be . .
(the cop had no clue as to what "empire" meant and didn't care)
As for the whiney bit about "spare tire carriers and bicycle racks" anything that's factory installed is legal. . .
Bicycle racks are another matter,not only do they block rearward vision,I've seen them totaly cover tail and brake lights . . .
Cops should be allowed to use their taxpayer supplied 9mm Glocks to blow the kneecaps off of people who do so . . .

It's all about safety . .
Most rearview mirrors are no larger than 5 x 2'' at best and hardly anyone ever has them adjusted properly . .
Now how big are bumperstickers ?
Big enough to obstuct the view of the top of the little kids head that you just backed over . . .

Leave the ACLU alone,there are much much more important issues that need to be resolved. . .

I DO NOT want to see my hard earned cash wasted on defending such a self asorbed jerk as
this "professer" seems to be . . .

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Elephants' Graveyard
Posted by: bettyn on Jul 9, 2008 9:24 AM   
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Wouldn't dare put ANY sort of an anti-administration bumper sticker on my car here in SW Florida. Not only would I get a ticket, it's likely that my tires would be slashed. It's all "Love Dear Leader" here 24/7/365.

(Of course, most of the people living here are very rich and getting richer.)

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Deb
Posted by: debmcd on Jul 9, 2008 9:24 AM   
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I live in Alameda, CA. Some of our police officers are real jerks. I don't have a car but I'm getting one of those to put on my bike then I'm going to ride straight through the speed traps the good officers set up every afternoon coming onto the island. These jerks stopped me on the sidewalk one evening for carrying a small flashlight. They asked me why and didn't like it when I told them it was because it was 11:00 pm., dark and that the sidewalks were uneven and I needed the light at some points for my walk back home from the 7-11 I was coming from. When they couldn't find my name in their computer, they got pretty nasty and almost took my flashlight. I can't wait to see what they do with my new bumper sticker.

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If the sticker said, "TORTURE & KILL THE INFIDEL HORDE FOR AMERICA'S GOD & OIL!"
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jul 9, 2008 9:28 AM   
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he'd have gotten an 'atta boy!'

don't kid yourselves: there are always the 'might makes RIGHT!' compliance goons who think being in community services requires paramilitary tactics & a blind adherence to Oblivion obedience. In those heads, there is nothing but 'if you don't have MY VIEWS, you're AGAINST EVERYTHING FOR WHICH I STAND!... naturally, everything for which they stand is iron-clad & without respect for personal expression, experience & judgement.

THEY'RE OUR Community Services, MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD THAT YOU SUPPORT CIVIL & HUMAN RIGHTS... or you won't have any.

Toronto cops & firemen went to bat to be able to put 'yellow ribbons' on City-owned vehicles & **I thank all that's decent & respectable** that Blair put his foot down. He was displaying admirable respect for our Citizenry & an wary sensitivity to politicizing the police force with a military agenda, identification & institutional outlook...

Given the amazing diversity of Toronto citizens, the idea that OUR police force would promote a solidarity with foreign military action is repugnant-especially in that 'we support with MAGNETS!, so anybody who doesn't slap that sticker is obviously LESS supportive' crap

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Hope Steffey's night began with a call to police for help. It ended with her face down, completely naked and sobbing on a jail cell floor ..."Hope begged and pleaded with her ... assailants to stop," the lawsuit says. "There was no forcible penetration but Hope felt as if she was being raped." ... After her clothes were removed, she was locked in a cell. To stay warm, she wrapped herself in toilet paper. She remained in the cell for six hours. During that time, she was not allowed to use a phone or seek medical attention for injuries she suffered that night, including a cracked tooth, bulging disc & bruises, the lawsuit says.

Firefighters asked to report people who express discontent with the government

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"shock & awe-ful thing"s: "Taking Liberties" & forced drugging of Non-Americans on US flights: In a Chicago holding cell early one evening in February 2006, five guards piled on top of a 49-year-old man who was angry he was going back to Ecuador, according to a nurse's account in his deportation file.

As they pinned him down so the nurse could punch a needle through his coveralls into his right buttock, one officer stood over him menacingly & taunted, "Nighty-night." ...


DON'T presume that democracy is maintained by citizens' silence to the symptoms of eroding civil rights: Good & ethical civil servants are precious beyond words.

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put messages on the bumper
Posted by: CJC on Jul 9, 2008 9:37 AM   
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Put message stickers on your bumper or elsewhere on your car.

I have a counter story from 1973-74.
We were living in Manhattan KS. My brother had sent us from Cambridge MA a bumper sticker that read "Impeach the Cocksacker." (Nixon, for those of you too young to remember, had sacked the special counsel, I think he was, Archibald Cox.)
Anyway, in Kansas at the time they did car inspections by setting up roadblocks on rural roads and checking your lights etc etc. When the Kansas State Police went around the back of the car to check the brakelights and blinkers my husband thought "Uh oh." The cop came back with a big smile on his face and said, "Great bumpersticker." We knew then that Nixon was cooked.

So the incident in SF may really not be any more than the cop said it was. So protect yourself and keep your windows free of messages.

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This is pretty clear
Posted by: jestru on Jul 9, 2008 9:40 AM   
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Apparently the code cited in the ticket refers specifically to obstruction of view by snow or ice.

I don't know if this code paragraph is universally used for any obstruction of a window but if it is a lot of people should be getting tickets thrown out because this is still a common law legal system and not a civil law legal system.

If, on the other hand, this code is normally only used for its specific condition listed, then this certainly is a political abuse of power.

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» RE: This is pretty clear Posted by: finalcut
Whining about traffic tickets
Posted by: TKirwin on Jul 9, 2008 10:46 AM   
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They are called "bumper" stickers for a reason. When they start calling them "Windshield" stickers you might have something. Most states have some sort of legal limitation on what you can do to the glass on a automobile (tints, obstructions, etc.). They were written specifically because thoughtless individuals like yourself don't consider the consequences of their need to draw attention to themselves. Apparently the author of this article would be equally incensed if the officer ticketed him for placing the sticker over his headlights, tail lights, mirrors or the locense plate. There are tons of flat surfaces that remain fair game (a bumper perhaps?) and don't directly compromise safety.

Our police have a tough job as it is and it isn't hard to find people who attempt to turn traffic infractions into federal cases. The challenge is to keep some level of maturity to separate genuine constitutional challenges (warrantless wiretapping, "free speech zones", habeas corpus, etc.) from the knee jerk impulse to resist all challenges.

The fact that the officer associated your sticker with Star Wars suggests that free speech is NOT an issue in this case, though it does point to the lack of clarity in your message. The officer even allowed you the opportunity to move the sticker to another place on your car that didn't obstruct your view, but your short fuse and lack of maturity prevented you from seeing that he was desperately trying to do his job AND allow you to express whatever phrases you want.

Folks, we have many issues of genuine importance facing us. Let's not get distracted by childish rantings like this.

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"Bush's Secret Army of Snoops & Snitches"
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jul 9, 2008 12:32 PM   
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A new class of everyday spies, from paramedics to utility workers, are being recruited to be "terrorism liason officers." - By Matthew Rothschild, The Progressive. Posted July 9, 2008, reprinted ALTERNET...

yeah, we're just imagining the loss of social trustworthiness, human rights, privacy & ethics...

IT'S IN OUR FUCKING DELUDED LIBERAL MINDS... of course we're just making up this shit...


Exclusive: Cops & Former Secret Service Agents Ran Black Ops on Green Groups

InfraGard: "FBI Deputizes Private Contractors With Extraordinary Powers, Including 'Shoot to Kill'"


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Steve V. in Vermont
Posted by: steve.janv@hotmail.com on Jul 9, 2008 1:58 PM   
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I'll give the officer the benefit of the doubt, he probably did think the sticker referred to Star Wars, although I doubt he cared what it said. Sometimes police officers write tickets for very minor violations when a warning would have been more appropriate. But let's not jump to the conclusion that the officer was doing any more than his duty. Without evidence to the contrary, to accuse the officer otherwise is unfair to him and his department.

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» RE: Steve V. in Vermont Posted by: sirios
Obscuring your point of view
Posted by: sirios on Jul 9, 2008 2:42 PM   
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Quite possibly the officer was filling his quota for the month. however, who he selects to bestow a driving infraction on is most assuredly influenced by his own personal belief structure which includes his political bent. I'll bet if the sticker said Semper Fi , jesus saves or NRA the proffesor would not have been cited.

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Stupid.
Posted by: Rage Neko on Jul 9, 2008 3:33 PM   
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No wonder Bill O'Reilly has a field day with people like this. It's obvious the cop didn't know it was a political reference. Paranoia is extremely unbecoming. Now I know injustices occur frequently, but this just isn't one of them, and especially not in the manner they are stating. I wish people like him would get a good smack on the head for wasting people's time and money. Not to mention embarrassing the cop, and tying up the legal system. People are so bleeding stupid sometimes... Alternet should take this article off. This is embarrassing to fans of the site.

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Taser Corp's "Drive to Remember" window decals
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jul 9, 2008 5:24 PM   
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"if you don't support TASERS FOR COPS, YOU SUPPORT CRIMINALS & TERRORISTS KILLING COPS!!! ...we're not related to Taser Corp... we're a CHARITY!!"

when I called the Canadian representative & politely explained I would never visit their (another Arizona-based company!) hotel chain again... he began SHRIEKING, "FUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOU" & BEGAN pounding the phone on the steering wheel...

the very picture of 'controlled restraint in a stressful social situation'.

so, YOU THINK THEY GOT TICKETED FOR OBSTRUCTED WINDOWS?

CHECK OUT THE TASER CORP DECALS ON THIS HUMMER'S WINDOWS: Behold the TASER CORP behemoth, GUARDIAN ONE

SCOTTSDALE, Arizona, Apr 16, 2008 (PrimeNewswire via COMTEX) -- The TASER Foundation for Fallen Officers again is partnering with 24/7 Cop2Cop News to support the second annual Drive to Remember for Fallen Officers, a two-week rolling memorial to remember the 190 law enforcement officers who lost their lives in the line of duty throughout the U.S. and Canada in 2007. This year's Drive to Remember will begin April 30 in Vancouver, British Columbia, head south to Los Angeles, then east across the United States culminating on May 13 at the beginning of the Police Week celebrations in Washington D.C.

The Drive to Remember will feature the Guardian One, a dedicated Hummer H3 completely wrapped in law enforcement graphics to honor those officers who were killed in 2007. Over the fourteen days, the Guardian One will travel more than 5000 miles, receiving law enforcement escorts across two countries, one province, 19 states, and in 25 major cities. The Guardian One will also make appearances at numerous specialevents scheduled along the route to remember the heroic lives of fallen officers.

More information on the 2008 Drive to Remember for Fallen Officers can be found at www.drive2remember.org.



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Obstruction of justice
Posted by: YogiBear on Jul 9, 2008 9:56 PM   
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All the guy has to do is prove other people with stickers on their windows aren't getting tickets. Probably if he pokes around police department and courtroom parking lots, he'll find a cop or judge's personal vehicle with a sticker affixed to it.

It's hardly surprising to me that cops know every law that can help them meet their quota, but fail to grasp the basic tenets of the Constitution.

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And Hitler Lives On In America
Posted by: tommy57 on Jul 10, 2008 9:52 AM   
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Looks like the Hitler philosophy his alive and well in America. I hope the Jews react to this type of news. Since they have joined the far right evangelicals who in the end will betray them by slitting their throats in the name of Jesus.

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Red Herring folks, don't overblow this and make fools of yourselves.
Posted by: orionsan on Jul 10, 2008 12:31 PM   
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The code says you can have a sticker in the right or left corner. It's a fix-it ticket. Get a new sticker, put it on the side. It's NO BIG DEAL.

I would say there are about 10,000 bumperstickers in San francisco more controversial than that one.

The cops in San Francisco are about the most laid back and reasonable cops in any city in the entire country. I think there is maybe one cop here that would pull you over for that, and he's is just a stickler for the rules. If you can't hang with SF cops, you need to be medicated for your paranoia.

Especially considering what bigger fish there are to fry - like the FISA legislation officially ushering in the LEGALIZED big brother facist state. It's no joke, and that coward Obama is right on board.

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it has nothing to do with what the sticker said..
Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Jul 10, 2008 1:24 PM   
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california state law:

"Material Obstructing or Reducing Driver's View

26708. (a) (1) No person shall drive any motor vehicle with any object or material placed, displayed, installed, affixed, or applied upon the windshield or side or rear windows." (from the california dmv web site: Vehicle code 26708).

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rmorte
Posted by: rmorte62 on Jul 11, 2008 10:17 AM   
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I live in Florida, which is about as conservatiove as it gets, and I had three bumper stickers positioned along the bottom of my rear view mirror, everything from "Bush/Satan '04" to "Wake Up and Smell the Fascism" and I was never pulled over for them even though cops were behind me many times. I think the guy actually thought it was a Star Wars sticker. Let's face it, cops are not the most politically enlightened people around and it probably never occurred to him that the Empire your sticker referred to was our own. The more likely explanation is that he was just bilking you for a chintzy fine.

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rmorte
Posted by: rmorte62 on Jul 11, 2008 10:21 AM   
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I meant rear window of course.

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WHILE SITTING STOPPED AT A STOP SIGN, I HAD A HUMMER DRIVE INTO THE BACK OF MY
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jul 12, 2008 9:25 PM   
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HONDA CIVIC SI. It was totaled. I couldn't find a scratch on the Hummer. I will suspect to my dying day that he did it as retribution for a Dennis Kucinich bumper sticker in the back (yes) window.

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