It may or may not become a human being. Mother Nature kills 3 out of 4 conceptions. Abortionists are actually helping out the old broad in most cases. Given her age, I'm sure she appreciates the assistance.

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Even with the Dems in power, this shit going on still speaks volumes. God sure as hell is damning America if 28 years wasn't enough already. There's nothing pro-life against the faux "pro-lifers". As soon as we get that frame into motion, we'll be better equipped to defeat these scumbags. Most of them are pro-death on everything. Don't be surprised to find both parties funding these fundies. With terrorists like these, you won't need Al Quaida anymore.

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For far too long we have allowed too many to misrepresent themselves by accepting their 'titles'.
Just as another Article suggests Progressives Must change and begin to demand Reality and Accuracy in the Media.
Continuing to allow the Organizations to Misrepresent them selves with the Media's blessing is a Travesty and undermines the concept of the Free Press. If Preident Bush asks use to Proclaim and refer to him as the 'Peace President' Will Media concede?
How can media turn a blind eye to the Obvious 'Truth Speak' being shoved at US.If nothing else Real media should constatnly and Frequently point out 'Pro Lifers' are Self Proclaimed or some other disclaimer so as to distance themselves from this Blanant attempt at Propoganda. In fact they should inform these 'Ministry of Truth' groups they REfuse to cover them, or use their deceptive names whenever they ae forced to. They will come up with a more Accurate term to discribe their group for so as to provide the american Citizens with at least a Less Biased term.
I refer to them as 'Pro Birthers'- They're only goals are to assure Pregnancy occurs as a result of Sex and every pregnancy is fulfilled by a Birth...After that they do not give a Shit.
Who are they Waiting For???
Do they lack Faith or Believe 'God ' is so Weak and inept HE could not assure the 'Chosen one' is born without Their Help?
Do they Think that by causing or at least aiding Human strife their 'Savior' will be tht much more Believeable. Would it make a Better story if such a 'Anioted one' was born in Poverty, famine, War Torn region? Do they not feel an obligation to take over once the child is born to guarantee it's survival to fulfill his/her mission?
My Question to them is Which Entity would need such assistance? What has cuased the 'Almighty' to lose 'His' all poweerful, all knowning Status?And Why would he Not care what the rest of his Creations suffer once they are born - just to assure a 'good Bio' for his next messenger?Why would 'He' expect his followers to disregard the Human condition to for this scenario?
My question- Who do they think they are REALLY serving by the actions?
the reason I left "organized religion" is baiscally fro this reason- Misguided, destructive Arrogance and lack of True Faith.I am a Steward, a mere Caretaker. I am not a co- planner, nor a co- Designer. I am only capable of being responsible for all that has been placed in my Charge and my duty is to maintain it and pass it forward to the next ones who will take my place- in the best condition posssible.Anything beyond that is Placing myself at a Higher station then intended. Plus if I have failed to meet my duties- given all the Tools and Gifts to do so- I Do NOT Deserve a Promotion to a higher Rank, nor should I expect one.To demean, Deny our Role and act as Self Promoters and Ordain Ourselves as holding any higher status is heretical.
I am a mere dot in the mosaic, I am NOT the 'Painter'.I am just a minute speck of the 'Masterpiece', I do not know the entire 'palette' nor the Vision which has inspred it.
We've spent Millenia allowing 'Deceivers' to play the omnipotent role. For those who truely recognize Our Place inthe Big Scheme ( but willing to admit we do not have the knowledge or power to underastand or Control it)Must begin to Reject, Rebuke and condemn Such Blasphemy and it's Dereliciton of Duty.

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The conservatives have had a field day telling the rest of us how to live our lives since George Bush took office and started to legislate morality. It's time NOW to clean the Republicans off the slate and get this country back to some semblance of decency. I am by no means saying the Democrats are perfect. However, what I am saying is that America cannot afford another four years of Republican rule, especially with crazy John McCain at the helm.

While not all Republicans are small-minded, oppressive fools, the ultra-right wing Republicans are, and there are plenty of them to go around. THIS IS AMERICA, PEOPLE. Yes, it means 'Freedom of Religion' for all, but it also means 'Freedom FROM Religion' for others...and we are all citizens.

I, for one, do not want my children forced to pray in school (we are Buddhists; we do not pray to the fundamentalist god); I don't want them growing up thinking that the pro-lifers and those that feed the frenzy (idiots like Laura Ingraham, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity et al.) are right. They spew hate at every turn.

Let's pull it together, send the Republicans packing, clean up the airwaves and restore America to its rightful place in the world: A strong nation that cares about it's own people and can exercise diplomacy around the globe to solve problems.

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"O a God the giftie gie us to see oursels as others see us." Robbie Burns, Scottish poet. America you have become the land of the barking dogs and EVERYBODY else is cringing for you.

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Obviously, the nastiness of the "life isn't our concern after birth" crowd shouldn't be allowed to stand without protest, in this case.

But, as the article fails to really highlight, Habitat was founded by Southern-ish Christian types. Fairly reasonable ones, if memory serves, but it is at base a Christian organization.

Bearing this in mind, I thought I'd humbly suggest that people fired-up enough to pen protest letters might want to ease off on the usual rhetoric about Christo-fascists, ignorance, etc. The Habitat for Humanity folks are probably as annoyed (or at least, internally conflicted) by the hypocrisy of many Pro-Life stances as you are, & overall should be considered "part of the solution", so a politely-but-firmly worded note would likely do more good than a Doomsday, half-CAPS broadside.

Just a thought.

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Cornfused? Ok, my wife never gave me any warning of her intent to abort, never asked never complained. If it had been a reasonable request based on a reasonable reason I would have gone along with her. It was not, listen you little pukes, never lose sight of the fact that this is also an emotional issue for some men too.

Having sounded off I now reiterate my stand if BOTH parties say they want an abortion for, health, financial, or living situations, it is no business of the Federal Government or the State Republic either. Only these participants and thier understanding of their God have any bearing on this what so ever.

The Goddamned State, Religionists, Arm Chair Philosophers and nosey fucking control addicts can keep their damned paws out of things! If J.C. were here he would kick these money laundering Churchmen out on their duffs anyway; Televangelist Mammon servers in deed for the sake of God what the holy Gehenna do you theocratists think you are doing?

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So-called "pro-lifers" are desperately trying to ignore a big shock as the population explodes in their midst and they find themselves surrounded by the multimillions of grown up children they forced women to birth against their will. But everywhere family planning clinics are allowed to serve the people, the population stabilizes and peace prevails in the community. Where it doesn't, the troubles can nearly always be traced to the fact on the ground of too many people and not enough education, jobs and social services. A growing economy is NOT a healthy economy, because it is based on a growing population when the nations are already grossly overcrowded and polluted. Be Truly Conservative?

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The feeling they must get knowing that they control the life of a woman they don't even know must be overwhelming. This abortion fight has nothing to do with life. It's about a self anointed group of superior people calling the shots for other people. The sub-group is naturally weaker and poorer but then that's what it's about. Yet another bunch of bullies. I don't know how they sleep at night. Thanks ANNA

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One of the reasons why this topic continues to create antagonism and bitterness is because of the extremism at both ends of the spectrum. The above article is an example. To state that so-called pro-lifers "generally stand against any social program that would actually help women and children" and that "they oppose contraception access" may be true of some, or even many, but it is most certainly not true of all.
Both parties remain stubbornly insistent that there shall never be a consensus. They misrepresent their opponents at every opportunity by tarring all of them with the same brush and presume that there can be no right answer other than their own.

For what it's worth, I think a society which regards any form of child sacrifice as the norm should be asking itself very profound questions about its core values. There are undoubtedly millions of harrowing case histories where pregnant victims in hideous cases find themselves in horrific no-win situations; just as assuredly, there are millions of abortions which are carried out for no other reason than convenience. To take a dim view of the latter is not necessarily to disapprove of the former.

I find it objectionable that parties on both sides of this debate show such scant respect for the complexities of this problem. An embryo is undoubtedly not a fully viable human being if it is removed from the womb. Whether or not it is a human being remains a matter of opinion, and on matters of opinion, all should be free to candidly express their position without being subjected to the type of contempt that I see in the above article. "100% of the worst legislators for children are 'pro-life,'" according to the writer. In case it has escaped her attention, there is a continuing "anti-life" programme taking place in Iraq and Afghanistan which was wholeheartedly supported by legislators in the Congress, the Senate, the Houses of Parliament and many other legislative bodies. The British Prime Minister, whose voting record has never varied from a consistent pro-choice position, lied through his yellow teeth in order to bully the British Parliament into the anti-life Iraq folly. His successor, the atheist, pro-choice Gordon Brown is equally determined to continue the British Imperial anti-life tradition. In the USA, Senator Clinton (pro-choice) supported illegal war and will continue to do so. (Interestingly, none of those who support the war has ever used the argument that none of the deaths count because the victims are simply not viable when blown up by bombs or shot with bullets. I wonder why not?)

It is pointless to make stupid statements that assert that the "worst legislators for children" are all pro-life. It is patently untrue and it undermines any hope for a sensible debate.

Here are two statements.
1. A wealthy nation which routinely carries out tens of millions of abortions is above criticism.
2. The status of women and the stability of families does not matter in a civilised society.

If you disagree with both of those statements (as I do) then you are probably amongst the vast majority of people whose views are not represented by the spokespeople at either extreme of this debate. I wish they'd all just turn their bitterness into something productive instead of merely identifying each other as the essence of wickedness.

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'...abortion opponents reveal their disregard for life after birth'

this one simple statement sums up EXACTLY how I've felt about these morally abhorrent 'pro-life' idiots...they are the furthest thing from 'pro-life'...they really are 'anti' anything that doesn't comply with their religious zealotry and NO amount of reason or logic enters into their minds!

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Yes I plagiarized from the article, but it was said so well I couldn't come up with better! It's too bad we can't get 20,000 emails sent to Habitat to counter the pro-life emails, but that is what happens on the left - people just aren't crazy fanatics on this side of the fence and it's difficult to get people charged up to do things like that - part of the reason why there isn't a million people in every state out on the street protesting Bush right now - just can't get us lefties too worked up about things - oh sure they'll blog etc, but get out and do stuff? Not so much. And if you think I'm wrong think about the fact that 70% of Americans are pissed off at Bush, the war, and more, and where are they? Where? What are they doing about any of it? Casting a vote in November? That's it? Sad really. On to the subject:
Email to habitat:

Inquiry Type: Complaint
Question/Issue: STUNNED that the generous donation by the Sarasota Planned Parenthood was thrown back in their face because of pressure by "pro-lifers". "Pro-lifers" consistently seem to care very little for "life" outside the womb: opposing contraception, which ironically could prevent the abortions they are so against. Add to the fact that their own political representatives consistently vote against helping low-income women, universal health-care, or social programs that might help women be better able to care for their children. 100% of the worst legislators for children are "pro-life". Add to that how many "pro-life" people are adamantly "pro-war" and all the "pro-life" rhetoric begins to make very little sense. It's very sad that Habitat buckled under the pressure of extremists and fanatics.

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I have known two women that had abortions.
One was too young, her life was not what you would call stable, she did work and worked hard and already had a child and was not on welfare. It was a hard choice for her, it was wrenching for her and for my partner and I. We were doing all we could to help her after her mother threw her out of the house when she gave birth to the first child. She did use contraception, but as the dr said its not 100% all the time.
The second woman was a bit older, and also used contraception and she had cystic tumors and would not have been able to carry to full term. It was also wrenching. Words cannot explain what it was like for these ladies.
I am pro choice, pro sex education, and feel that the abstain remain a virgin only education is bull hockey.
since one can get STDs in the mouth or anus too, male or female either one.
I am not an advocate of abortion, I just feel that it the woman's choice not some blow hard male that thinks he has a line to G'ds ear or mind.
I also feel that too much time and money are spent by those who just have to have a baby, there are so many unwanted children, why not adopt some?
Being gay, I am not a real good choice for a parent since I cannot relate to children, besides if my dogs misbehave I can crate them till they or I calm down, They are good, well raised girls so crating is never really needed..folks would not take crating a brat very calmly.

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So sell the property for $XXXXX to a coalition of compatible buyers, who will maybe turn it over to HfH, and see how the dinosaurs feel about that. I'd be proud to be such a buyer.

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Let the anti-abortion forces put their money where there mouths are and buy the land from Planned Parenthood and erect a facility for poor women who choose adoption over abortion, or who want to keep the baby. They could provide prenatal care, support services and even housing when needed, as well as postnatal medical and social support to women and babies. The contract should prohibit any harrassment of the PP clinic, its staff or its patients. This would truly be a win-win solution, acceptable to PP and its opponents.

We need to move beyond this tug of war and find creative, pro-social solutions. Instead of wasting time and money harrassing scared, vulnerable women and those who care for them, opponents of abortion can offer them an alternative and agree to let those women freely decide. That would be truly pro-life.

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Abortion is such a wonderful idea that I think it should be retroactive for everything with no body hair and two legs. Ok, so I over react. Prove to me that you so-called Homosappyones are worthy of another nanosecond in any space-time co-ordinate what so ever.

You overpopulate the planet, you piss in the water supply, create diseases for which there is no cure to decimate all species on this planet; and then with all the arrogant aplomb of a mass murdering Pol Pot or Eichmann proclaim yourselves next to God Head; pea brained hypocrites.

You are all zombies more dead than alive, you would kill your parents and your children with equanimity. You have all the soul of a tarantula wasp. You infect the planet so the other species cannot live or breathe without answering to your mighty will!

You are pathetic with your religions and your so-called natural drive to survive! You exist only to dominate others and you damn well know it. If you are not trying to dominate someone else’s ass you are trying to kill them for attempting to subvert you.

You are all bragging about your perfection and I tell you this you are all perfectly insane. You have no right to this earth or its animals, you have no right to its plants, birds or fish You have no place here that you have not polluted and made obscene with your oils excreta and hormonal stench. There are more of you than Gaia can support and STILL you fornicate with abandon.

No form of murder is too ugly for you to commit, you will do it in the sake of prevention when some of us who live here can tell the gamete when to divide. You claim those are lower animals and will not learn from them. You make excuses and provide non-answers to real problems of overpopulation. Your time is at hand, there are those of us whom you have not met that will replace you without a whisper, or a shot fired.

If you continue the path you are on now you will pass not with a bang as you suppose but with a whimper of confusion and indelible ignorance.

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mean pro quality of life.

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the human family produces no such thing as a pro lifer the Abortionist is anti-life because he/she halts it. A pro-lifer or pro-choicer is anti-life because the pro-lifer will shove his way up your soul without granting relief to anyone. And a pro-choicer will take life away for any of uncounted reasons without appointing a successor, I mean DEAD is DEAD, right? Possibly I have been misinformed?

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When is the killing of an Amoeba not death? Have you ever watched an Amoeba, Vorticella or Paramecium paddling around under a microcope?

When is killing even one of the least of these creatures not murder? As you treat any one of these creatures you treat me, yourselves and your children.

If you wish to change the things that are change, you first; I know that I can change me but it is not mine to change you. YOU have to change you. Teach your cells when to reproduce a copy of you, do not use force use commitment to change. Tell your cells when it is time to reproduce you.

I can hear you yelling OMG if I do that I am not human any more! Stop resisting and listen to your heart, when you are afraid nothing works right. See the gamete or the spermatophore and LET IT SEE YOU! Do not destroy it or your love of it, that is not the way.

Destruction is not salvation, change is salvation. Become other. One does not destroy a temple to worship it and one does not destroy ones home to live there.

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Ever since Roe v. Wade became accepted law, I have wondered about it. It now appears that many people that are anti Roe v. Wade aren't really anti abortionist (they would have you believe!.) They claim this should be a States' Rights issue instead of Federal. Of course, we all know that there are many State Legislatures that would ban it out of hand, as I believe Utah would.

But I can't believe that any government - not in the 21st Century - has the right to tell a woman what to do, what not to do, poor thing! you need us to help you. It is NOT a question of whether the partner agrees. He's not carrying the child. Children aren't meant to be born in order for a man to tell the world, "hey, look! I can do it." I believe this is part of the Women's Right agenda. We are no longer "chattel," with the advent of contraception we can decide what size family we can support. Nobody thinks abortion is a good thing, but you shouldn't be able to tell me what I can do about it. It should my decision and mine alone.

There should not be anyone to decide - but the mother - whether to abort a fetus that tests show is less than normal and in danger. And it surely is not because the taxpayers stand to pay the bill for those babies born with severe deformities and require such abnormal care that it destroys the family.

I find the idea of group thinking about using contraception, abortion issues and such stuff really obscene. AND it's a political issue as well. Most governments are concerned with birth rates and how that will affect future policies on population growth - and all countries are concerned with that issue. The fact that our country doesn't do a good job on infant mortality is also obscene.

I leave it to all you thoughtful people to seriously think about this before you start blowing smoke abiut be anti or pro.

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My response to Habitat after donating one dollar:
I would be more than happy to donate a larger amount but considering the buckling under protests by the Sarasota chapter of Habitat for Humanity to refuse to build on land provided by Planned Parenthood demonstrates a concern for crazed opinion rather than helping those in need, I will instead donate the other 49.00 to Planned Parenthood who obviously cares more about humanity than the zealots who show no care about the already born and Habitat who places politics over people's lives.

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Thats the nice thing about being pro-birth. It demands shallowness

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