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What Does Clinton's Campaign Mean for Women Candidates?

Posted by Amanda Marcotte, Pandagon at 4:00 PM on June 4, 2008.


What does the Clinton campaign teach us about women in politics?
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With two hands over my eyes and plugs in my ears, I could still tell you that Clinton losing the nomination is going to inspire all sorts of disingenuous hand-wringing concealing glee over women’s chances in politics.  Again, I’m grateful to the LA Times for stalking out in the other direction by giving the space this week to Katha Pollitt and myself to discuss these issues, knowing we’re two feminists and unlikely to either throw in the towel on women or be happy about it.  Later today will be the next round, and as I’ve already written my part, I can tell you that I lament that the U.S. can’t follow the lead of countries that have seat quotas in legislative bodies for women, a simple measure that would go a long way to make historic runs like Hillary Clinton’s seem less like “make it or break it” moments for our chances to have a female President. 

For those about to gloat about the end of women in politics, I salute you.

What is probably feeling like the end for a lot of feminist Clinton supporters should be treated more like a beginning.  Katha sez:

Clinton has shown that a woman can be a mainstream, non-symbolic candidate of a major party—she can raise tons of money, run a professional campaign, get lots of votes from men as well as benefit from the female side of the gender gap, and come this close to winning.

We’ve also learned more about institutional misogyny and how to fight it.  The full-blown panic over whether or not this was the last chance ever for a female President seems premature to me.  One reason I’ve been annoyed at Clinton for hanging in after it was becoming clear she wasn’t going to win was that she was taking donations that might be better aimed elsewhere, such as organizations like Emily’s List that are out there making sure that we have more worthy candidates in the future. 

I don’t think Obama should offer Clinton the V.P. spot, though it’s increasingly clear that this might be the choice out of some sort of political machinations.  And that’s precisely why I don’t think she should be offered the spot.  She’d be in a vantage point to extract a pound of flesh from him in that case.  While I think well of Hillary Clinton, the DLC baggage and her top level campaign staff need immediately and unambiguously to be dumped.  They don’t need more power; they need less.  There’s way too much energy poured into the V.P. pick, anyway.  People won’t vote for you because of your V.P., but the V.P. can be an albatross.  Clinton just doesn’t seem like she’d help, but she could hurt.  Same, by the way, with Jim Webb.  Edwards would be a non-controversial pick, as would Kathleen Sebelius. 

I’m actually not that worried that there will be many Clinton supporters who don’t vote or vote for McCain out of feminist foot-stomping temper tantrum throwing.  That’s a level of bitterness, cruelty, and stupidity that most people just don’t have, even and especially feminists.  I’m far more worried about the people that are racist or believe that Obama is Muslim sleeper cell or something.  But those people are mostly Republicans anyway, so I don’t think there’s a loss there.

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Good to see...
Posted by: Xynyx on Jun 4, 2008 4:11 PM   
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"Edwards would be a non-controversial pick, as would Kathleen Sebelius."

I'd be happier with either, and possibly happier with the latter... though I'm not really analyzing it that much, myself.

I am very excited about the possibility of having a woman be President, and maybe fairly soon. But Hillary makes me sick.

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» RE: Good to see... Posted by: Catherine Anne Smith
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» uuuuhhhhh no.... Posted by: Tombo
Temperment, qualifications, and record should allow informed, open-minded...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jun 4, 2008 4:25 PM   
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...voters to select a candidate they can be proud of, hopefully one that will lead this country well.

We'd do well not to put so much emphasis on their naughty bits and skin pigmentation, in my opinion--i.e., "the nation's first _________________ president" (you can fill in the bank with your favorite characteristic--I chose "veteran amputee") doesn't seem so important as choosing one who isn't an outright paid-for warmonger, and maybe someone who can subtract 2.7 trillion from 2.4 trillion and insist congress take remedial mathematics until they can balance the national checkbook.

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First Marry a man who becomes President..
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jun 4, 2008 5:03 PM   
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Hillary has shown that if as a women you want to be President, first marry a man who becomes President..!

Then the rest should be easy..

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» RE: First Marry a man who becomes President.. Posted by: Catherine Anne Smith
» RE: Oh, do your research Posted by: westomoon
What does her campaign mean for woman candidates?
Posted by: Longdream on Jun 4, 2008 5:51 PM   
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It means that in future, they'd better be politically savvy enough to know how run a relevant campaign, how to win fairly, and how to keep the lines to the real world open.

It would be important to choose their advisors not based on a long personal history together or membership in a narrow club of intimates but from the best talent available. They should surround themselves with friends, surely, but also with people who will tell them the truth and keep them in touch with the real-world effect of the campaign as it unfolds.

It's very important for women candidates to have an elite organization, which is streamlined and adept at raising money, using the money to best advantage, and getting them in front of the people to show those women candidates off in their best light.

Our women candidates should have a process for evaluating their campaigns, looking at what was successful and what failed, and should learn from their mistakes, and avoid repeating them.

It's vital for all of our future women in politics to have their actions and campaign process and output match their stated values and goals, keeping to only the highest and best views of what they represent.

Just as important as being a good winner will be their behavior in defeat. It's difficult to withdraw from a campaign, both logistically, financially and emotionally. They should take the best care of the staff who worked hard to get them so far, they should, no matter how devastated they feel, show a game face and concede gracefully. Above all, in a multiple candidate race, they should pledge their full support to the front-runner in their party, and then GIVE it.

On this incomplete list are qualities that are vitally important for our women candidates in the future to exhibit. They are just as important for the men who run for office, and the men and women of color who run for office, and the men and women who are naturalized citizens who run for office.

It all may seem like common sense, but must be very difficult when a person is in the middle of the cyclone.

Here's to the best and the brightest of women who will come forward in huge numbers to stand for office. Here's to our first woman President!

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Does Gender Really Trump All?
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Jun 4, 2008 6:12 PM   
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I disagree with those who feel that gender trumps all other considerations. Yes, I would very much like to see more women in high office and yes, much of the vitriol directed at Hillary Clinton has been sexist. Unlike the Clintonistas, however, I stubbornly refuse to sacrifice human rights on the altar of political expediency.

The Clintons' intransigent defiance of global consensus on issues such as landmines, cluster bombs, recruitment of minors into the military, execution of juvenile offenders and mentally retarded people and the cruel sanctions in Iraq that killed over 500,000 Iraqi children with no discernable effect on Saddam Hussain concern me. Hillary's support for the Iraq war and her parroting of Bush's lies in support of her vote raise serious questions abour her judgment. Her saber rattling and refusal to negotiate with our enemies are unwise and dangerous. The way Bill Clinton held out promises of signing to force crippling concessions on the International Criminal Court Statute, then refused to sign the final, watered down product, was cynical and disgraceful. The way they solicited votes and money from gays, then betrayed them with Don't Ask, Don't Tell and the Defense of Marriage Act isn't reassuring. Clinton's behind-the-scenes efforts to block a meaningful UN response to the Rwanda genocide, which cost 800,000 lives, doesn't impress me. The callous response to our destruction of al Shifa, the pharmaceutical plant that met most of Sudan's needs prior to the Clinton-ordered Tomahawk missile attack, on the false premise that it was a chemical weapons plant, was disgraceful. We should have stepped in to supply the life-saving drugs of which we had deprived the people there, and doing so would have gone a long way towards improving our image in the Islamic world.

Aside from the Clintons' incessant lying, arrogance, narcissism, greed and hypocrisy, their record on human rights is enough to nauseate any morally decent person and disqualify them from any important post.

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» RE: Does Gender Really Trump All? Posted by: Catherine Anne Smith
gemajabe
Posted by: gemajabe on Jun 5, 2008 3:58 AM   
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Of course she should be offered the VP spot. She's competent, experienced and would be a real assest. she should have had the top spot. I will vote for Obama no matter who he picks. But this is the last time. After 2008, if I am offered two males for President and two males for VP, I simply will not vote. No gender does not trump all-but this primary season showed how backward we are in advancing women in politics compared to other countries. The media united to push a male-any male-it didn't have to be Obama-so a woman would not win. Fortunately for those who come after her, Senator Clinton went down fighting. Good for her.

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» RE: The media Posted by: westomoon
duckcreek99
Posted by: duckcreek99 on Jun 5, 2008 4:49 AM   
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I have lost my respect for MOST news media in this campaign. Even though I hadn't decided whom to vote for (definitely not the Bush twin McCain), the media has attacked Hillary to the point of complete abuse. I believe these attacks are because she is a woman and it is a "Good ole boys club" out there. I am not a feminest by any means but a disgusted American.

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bright
Posted by: brer on Jun 5, 2008 4:50 AM   
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We've had women governors--we have Nancy Pelosi, etc. They haven't had the negetive comments that Hillary has had.

I'm tellin' ya'---It's NOT sexist. It's because (and I don't know the reason) many people just HATE Hillary. There is something about her that just brings out the animosity in some people. I don't think it's necessarily fair, but it's NOT because she's a woman.

Hey, I'm a woman over 50, and I'd love to vote for a woman for president. But because Hillary is a woman, do I have to vote for her? Of course not! I don't get it.

People should be focusing on the cheap sexist shots that have been thrown around...not the (unsubstantiated and incorrect) idea that they made Hillary lose the primary.

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Hillary and the women who follow
Posted by: BST on Jun 5, 2008 6:28 AM   
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I have several thoughts about this piece:

1. You say "I can tell you that I lament that the U.S. can’t follow the lead of countries that have seat quotas in legislative bodies for women..." Women do NOT need quota systems; they need gumption to do what men do -- get off the couch and RUN for office.

There are many women in office. My experience has been that when women run for office they often are victorious. Quota systems are an archaic, ridiculous non-solution that only alienates those who are NOT included.

Women are way past the point in this country when they need that sort of paternalistic coddling. And I say that as a woman.

2. Hillary Clinton is a difficult personality with many strikes against her in terms of past record and behavior, and a series of missteps during the campaign, including her strange fiction about dodging sniper fire. I have been a very staunch supporter because I think she is bright and canny, less because she is a woman of my age. But for anyone to suggest that since Hillary Clinton lost, another woman would face the same issues, is naive.

Frankly, I think Hillary Clinton drew nasty comments less because of her gender -- although snipes were couched in stale, awful schoolboy ridicule about women -- than because of her often vaguely haughty persona and refusal to be accountable for issues such as her war vote, transparency about taxes etc.

She developed a veneer similar to that of a spoiled, petulant child who won't play fair. Her detractors responded with equal disdain.

3. Another bright, capable, credentialed woman will appear, perhaps for 2012. It would be useful, quite honestly, if she were to bring with her a bearing, personality, effusiveness and dignity modeled so well by Barack Obama.

This is not a gender-specific set of qualities, but a very human one that widens the circle of interest from focus on oneself to that of the collective body beyond.

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» RE: Spoke too soon Posted by: westomoon
VP? Naw
Posted by: BST on Jun 5, 2008 6:36 AM   
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Another thought to append to my foregoing post:

I believe Hillary Clinton has asked about VP to push Obama into an difficult corner, not because she thinks for a moment that it will be offered.

It's a way to steal some of the limelight he has won for thimself this week.

It sounds as though he is refusing to rise to the bait by underscoring the fact he has assembled a VP committee and plans to meet at some point with Clinton to talk about the party.

He needs to proceed as though Clinton doesn't exist at this point, or get pulled into the morass that is the Clinton camp.

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She has been a MAJOR Detriment to the Womens Lib Movement!
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 5, 2008 6:54 AM   
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I could write a Doctoral dissertation of the numerous way Hillary has undemined what US Real Libbers have been Struggling to Accomplish over the last 35 yrs.I have spent my working life trying to dispell the stereo type that women want special priviledges and treatment. I have been killing myself trying to Prove I can Compete on a Level playing field. In fact I have encouraged the Bar to be raised just to see the look on their faces when I jump it with Ease. Ithis has earn me th erespect form my fellow male co workers. I EARNED My place at the Table. Now I must constantly Rebuke, Reject and deny HER claims to 'Sexist 'treatment.Teh Red Carpet was Rolle dout for Her and SHE tripped on it!her Arrogance and Ignorance and GD 'Entitlement' has undermined everthing we have strived for since the beginning of the Womens Movement.
Real Women are only looking for a Fair Shake, we are not expecting the Doors to be Opened FOR us. We are Libbers. The only way we can achieve Equality is by showing and affording it to ALL. Payback is a Bitch is NOT OUR MOTTO!She has done more to cause Our issues to be pushed back farther then any Holy Roller!
he rmanipulative Power Play tactic the other night was an OUTRAGE!!Hillary when Someone maes the Grade, You are to Congradualte them for their stellar Performance. Not hold you r breath and stomp your feet until someone gives You your way. This was not jus tan embarassment , it was a slap in the face to any woman who has dedicated he rlife to assuring Our daughter will not need the carpet rolled out, the chair pull back and others to kiss their asses to get a chance to sit at the Big Boy table! We must as Hard as anyone else sitting there.WE MUST EARN OUR PLACE, NOT BE HANDED IT BECAUSE WE ARE TOO WEAK TO DO SO OURSELVES!!!
this Ol Clinton Supporter has come to despise this Poor example of a Strong Female! She deserves NO Accolades for Her dispictable performance as a Senator or a candidate!

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» RE: PG, your best yet! Posted by: westomoon
The End of Our Exodus
Posted by: pikaomega on Jun 5, 2008 8:27 AM   
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To everyone who, for 17 months, found that they were unable to avoid the saturation of the Democratic race, or those (like me, admittedly) who have developed a photosynthetic reaction to the process, absorbing and converting it into a range of fiery compulsion.

One reality has clearly shown its face to the world: now is the time for a detente.

As our nation teeters, precariously, on the precipice of the "shining city on the hill," we stand with awe and baited breath as the waining sun sets in the horizon, marking the conclusion of our "Morning in America." The charge in the air is palpable, and wherever it may lead us, we are willing to follow, as our beaten trail has been exposed as the outline of our death march into Golgotha. Too many crosses are borne by innocents, and the loss of they who have fallen by the wayside on our vain and lustful quest is marked not by remembrance, but by silence.

For decades, we as a people have become stratified, pooled together in puddles marked by rabid ideological dissent. If one is to push, then the other is to push back, until both sides find themselves miles apart, embracing and defending ideas that in the face of such righteous duplicity would be recognized and ridiculed as lunacy. This habitual practice has seeped into our own ranks, as the profile of the impending new day will bear an image heretofore disregarded by history. Both they of the feminine persuasion, and they of non-caucasian lineage, have, for the first time, had their hands on the reins that alone have the power to steer us away from the certain fall that awaits us.

The victors must acknowledge the pain felt by our mothers, who have spent their lives absorbing the blows thrown at them by our patriarchal system. To have felt the equality for which they, and generations before them, have long awaited rest upon their fingertips, only to slip from their grasp is a sorrow that we who have gained from their struggles may never understand. We must give them thanks, and give them time, but also the assurance that we will take the flame that they pass and carry forth the dignity that is bequeathed to us.

The last stage of grief is acceptance, which cannot be rushed, but waits for all at the edge of our mourning. Faith must be given to those, on both sides, who have not been cowed by the detractions and obstacles thrown before them.

We must set the sun. We must hold the reins.

Our time is now.

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Hillary Clinton = Grover Cleveland?
Posted by: dudelette on Jun 5, 2008 10:10 AM   
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Since few seem to have noticed or cared, Hillary Clinton actually received more of the popular vote than Barack Obama.

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» RE: That popular vote canard Posted by: westomoon
How about
Posted by: uncleeddie on Jun 5, 2008 1:55 PM   
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How about Dianne Feinstein as a running mate. She seems to fit all the criteria and has not even threatened Obama with assassination. Maybe not as tough as Hillary but a little more sane. Oh and she's a woman.

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Not The Only Female Politician
Posted by: dumdumboy on Jun 5, 2008 2:21 PM   
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All this hand-wringing confuses me.

Hillary Clinton is not the only woman Senator. I fail to see why her failed bid dooms a potential run by Barbara Boxer or Debbie Stabenow. Indeed, if either of those women Senators had run against Barack Obama, then I would have supported them, as I feel that both are more Progressive than he is.

Hillary, on the other hand, is a dreaded "Centrist" Democrat which, to me, is coded-language for "Republican-lite."

Nobody can predict the future, and anything is possible, so enough of this doomsday talk already!

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