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Too Poor to Parent

Posted by Jill Filipovic, Feministe at 1:29 PM on May 26, 2008.


Why does society blame black mothers for one of our nation's pressing social ills?
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Low-income women — and black women in particular — have their children taken away far more often than white women. Black children are twice as likely as white children to enter foster care.

The reason for this disparity? Study after study reviewed by Stanford University law professor Dorothy Roberts in her book Shattered Bonds: The Color of Child Welfare (Basic Books/Perseus, 2002) concludes that poverty is the leading cause of children landing in foster care. One study, for example, showed that poor families are up to 22 times more likely to be involved in the child-welfare system than wealthier families. And nationwide, blacks are four times more likely than other groups to live in poverty.

But when state child-welfare workers come to remove children from black mothers’ homes, they rarely cite poverty as the factor putting a child at risk. Instead, these mothers are told that they neglected their children by failing to provide adequate food, clothing, shelter, education or medical care. The failure is always personal, and these mothers and children are almost always made to suffer individually for the consequences of one of the United States’ most pressing social problems.

This article originally appeared in Ms. Magazine, and the author is Gaylynn Burroughs, an attorney at the Bronx Defenders who represents parents accused of child neglect. The point she makes in the above paragraph is crucial: These are national social problems, but instead of addressing them as such, we’re turning them in to individual failures and punishing individual women and children.

The comments at AlterNet are predictable — there was even one (now deleted) saying something to the effect of, “These people should be spayed and neutered.” Lots of commenters make the point that women shouldn’t have children until they’re financially stable, and the fact that a poor woman has a baby is automatic proof that she is a bad mother — because a “good mother” would not have a baby while poor. Others point out that having a child is poverty-inducing. That is certainly true — kids are expensive, and for women, having a child is a major risk factor for dropping below the poverty level.

But I’m not buying the line that being poor makes one unsuitable for parenthood. What does make one unsuitable is abuse or neglect — and those don’t depend on how much money you have.

Of course, it’s a problem if there’s not enough money to give your kids three square meals a day. But I’d suggest that it would be a whole lot better to increase welfare benefits or food stamps instead of taking the kids away. It’s a big problem if the kids can’t get medical care when they’re sick — of course, it’s also a problem that Mom and Dad can’t get medical care when they’re sick. There’s a pretty clear solution to that one, and again, it would be much better for everyone than to put the kids in foster care and hope the problem will go away. Obviously it’s problematic that kids from low-income families often have fewer opportunities when it comes to education and jobs — but that’s hardly the fault of their parents. These are structural and systematic problems, but it’s symptomatic of our society’s blind spots that we insist on blaming the mothers.

Family is not a privilege. Yes, in an ideal world every woman would be able to get out of poverty before she had babies; but not every woman is going to be able to escape poverty. And yes, in some situations women and girls have children which keep them in that cycle; but again, I’m not sure the problem is the kids as much as the lack of other options.

In another thread, someone mentioned the book Random Family. If you haven’t read it, check it out. One thing that blew my 20-year-old mind when I read that book back in a college journalism class was how all of my white-girl middle-class solutions don’t work across the board. Yes, contraception access is crucial — but it’s not going to stop a teenage girl who wants to get pregnant because for her, it’s the best option. Yes, it’s better for everyone to have health care, wholesome food, and a good education with every opportunity in the world available to them — but that isn’t reality, and until it is, we can’t be blaming individuals who are doing the best they can with all the odds stacked against them.

Black motherhood has long been demonized in this country, from slave owners viewing female slaves as simple cost-effective ways to create more slaves, to involuntary and coerced sterilizations, to ripping black children from their mothers under the guise of “protection.” Yes, it is abuse to starve your child, to neglect them, to beat them. It is not abuse if you’re too poor to pay to keep the lights on that month. And children are not objects of privilege that only the rich are entitled to.

Women who are good, loving moms but who can’t afford certain luxuries — or even certain basics — don’t deserve to suffer the burden of our societal failures.

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Need better solutions
Posted by: AndyF on May 27, 2008 4:24 AM   
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The author makes an excellent point that the safety net is lacking, especially as concerns parental healthcare, however, I did not see any suggested solutions to breaking the cycle of poverty. Instead, the only suggestion is to increase assistance to poor mothers. We had a 25+ year experiment using this approach which ended in the mid '90s and found that it really didn't work too well.

Perhaps the direction we should go, in addition to providing stopgap aid to those truly in need, is to address the social pathologies which lead to children having children and leave too many women with children they are unable to properly care for. My wife teaches and many of her students, 9th graders, are pregnant or trying as they want to have a child to fill a hole in their heart or to be like their friends. The biggest hole we have in our safety nets isn't material, it is social. Until we invest time and effort in building a social net which connects people modelling and rewarding appropriate behavior we will continue to have multi-generational poverty.

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» RE: Need better solutions Posted by: realist
Not every woman needs to become a mother
Posted by: janvdb on May 27, 2008 5:05 AM   
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You say:

Yes, in an ideal world every woman would be able to get out of poverty before she had babies; but not every woman is going to be able to escape poverty.

Hey, I'm not a mother. It's not the end of the world. There's NOTHING WRONG with not having children.

If you're poor, don't have kids. That will PROBABLY fix the poverty problem. Then, have kids.

If it doesn't, THEN JUST DON'T HAVE KIDS.

What's the problem with that?

Kids are simply not essential to a full, meaningful life and I'll put my life up as Exhibit Number One to make that point.

In addition to that point, having children to men who won't be good fathers only encourages men to be irresponsible and creates a norm of that behavior among men. That makes it even harder for responsible women to get men to behave properly.

People are just not interested in subsidizing others' bad decisions.

99% of poor women could get out of poverty if they made the right choices.

Not having children too soon is the SINGLEMOST IMPORTANT right choice those women need to make and setting up systems to enable them to make that choice wrongly, thereby putting them into permanent dependence on income assistance programs, merely creates more of the problem.

And, personally, I know 10 white women in this situation for every black woman I know in it, since I'm from the West, where we have lots of poor whites and few blacks of any class. It's not about race. It's about class, income and life choices.

The society needs to send a clear message on all fronts that early, unprepared parenthood is not what anyone wants to see happen.

Jan VanDenBerg

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Having children AFTER you can afford them is the NUMBER ONE aspect of being good mother
Posted by: janvdb on May 27, 2008 5:07 AM   
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If a woman too broke to pay her electricity has a second child, she is an unfit mother.

Chosing WHEN and WITH WHOM to have a child is THE SINGLEMOST IMPORTANT aspect of being a good mother.

You do the first steps wrong, you have your children into an inadequate situation then, no matter what you do, you are an unfit mother.

Get an abortion and try again in ten years, when you are ready.

That's what a GOOD mother would do.

If you have no skills, are barely making enough money to stay alive, are involved with a man who isn't interested in contributing to his children or who cannot do so due to lack of education, lack of job skills and low income, you become pregnant by him and carry that child THEN YOU ARE A BAD MOTHER.

Get ready. THEN have children.

99% of people can get ready -- get themselves into a situation where they can be good parents -- if they delay childbearing and work at it.

Children CAUSE poverty.

Accepting this elemental social reality is what allowed the British and Japanese people to pull out of the poverty and filth of the Middle Ages a century ahead of the rest of the "developed world." The rest of the now-developed world finally caught on to the necessity of responsible procreation to development, health and, basically, survival. Some places haven't figured it out yet.

Please read the excellent historical demography of Oxford professor Alan MacFarlane.

I have absolutely NO sympathy for women who bear children into hopelessly impoverished situations and then whine when their children are taken from them. I think many of those children should be taken at birth, so they have a good chance at a adoption into a household where they can be adequately taken care of, educated and provided for.

Before you get pregnant and/or carry that child to term, you need BOTH an adequate income and an employed, involved father. If you lack one of those and you have kids anyway, well, you're a bad mother and you SHOULD lose your kids. The sooner the better.

The simple fact is, the children not only suffer from poverty, THEY CAUSE IT. 99% of these women, if they would responsibly delay the birthing of children for a decade, could work their way out of poverty and get themselves into a situation where they would be good mothers. And, if men realize that all their "spreading of their seed" is getting them nowhere due to responsible women, and that unless they settle down and become good fathers, they will never actually have any offspring, men would do their part.

Get together in a respectful relationship with a woman, get a job, bring home your paycheck and hand it to her. THEN she will allow you to replicate yourself.

Now, that would work on men.

continued below . .

Jan VanDenBerg

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Having children AFTER you can afford them is the NUMBER ONE aspect of being good mother
Posted by: janvdb on May 27, 2008 5:08 AM   
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Just allowing them to exploit women to care for children to whom they contribute nothing, and then expecting others to try to pick up the predictably falling-apart pieces -- well, that is just going to get you more of the same abuse, ladies. And not a lot of sympathy from those who have managed their lives responsibly, either.

More power to Social Services. I just wish they would get in there and take these kids immediately after birth, sever parental rights and give these kids a chance at a decent life in an adoptive home.

Yes, for poverty. Because the mother is poor and has no contributing father. Just for that.

Because, never in the history of the developed nations, have poor, single women been allowed to have children -- for VERY GOOD REASONS.

If you are poor, DELAY YOUR CHILD BEARING.

That's what has been the absolute minimum of decent behavior for the last 1000 years in parts of the human race considered "developed" and without those minimums, poverty will only spread and spread and spread until it envelopes the entire society.

Is it just too much to expect that people maintain the modern equivalent of the old requirement that a couple have the bare minimums necessary to "set up house" before getting married and creating children? A small plot of land for a garden and a field for a cow, some chickens, some ducks, bedding, dishes, maybe a draft animal -- this is what has been demanded from the young before they could marry and bear children for the past 1000 years and if anyone thinks the logic behind that social convention has been repealed just because we no longer milk our own cows, well, you're probably BROKE YOURSELF because you refuse to face up to the realities of survival.

Jan VanDenBerg

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Why do some drag up race when the real issues are economic and affect everyone equally?
Posted by: janvdb on May 27, 2008 5:12 AM   
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I'm white. I was born dirt poor and grew up in a coal camp.

I lived without indoor plumbing and ran barefoot because shoes were expensive.

Yet, when someone talks about poverty, someone always has to drag out the race card.

Lots of white people are poor and lots of black people are middle class.

Get used to it.

Jan VanDenBerg

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The real problem is in the wealthy neighborhoods
Posted by: BobS on May 27, 2008 5:30 AM   
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Multi-generational poverty doesn't originate in poor neighborhoods, it starts in the rich neighborhoods.

It's in the rich neighborhoods where you find the people who pay poverty wages and below. It's in the rich neighborhoods where you find the financial speculators who make housing unaffordable. It's in the rich neighborhoods where the decisions are made to ship jobs overseas to enforce poverty on others. It's in the rich neighborhoods where you find the health care profiteers who make our health care system one of the worst in the developed world. It's in the rich neighborhoods where you find the people who starve our public educational system by insuring that the best resources go to "their" schools. It's in the rich neighborhoods where you find the media moguls who fill fill up our mass communications with anti-social messages, mindless ads for useless products, and "news" programs that are clogged with lies, distortions and faces of celebrities. It's in the rich neighborhoods where you find the agribusiness billionaires that have driven family farms into bankruptcy and driven much of rural America into isolation and poverty. It's in the rich neighborhoods that the decision is made to send the poor off to war to fight for oil and empire and then throw them to the economic wolves if they return home alive. It's in the rich neighborhoods where the deadly plague of corporate crime is cultured, but its in the poor neighborhoods where its unleashed.

Yes, poor neighborhoods are beset by a multitude of problems. But brave and resourceful religious leaders, community organizers, teachers, union militants,school aides, medical workers, neighborhood watch volunteers. recreation workers and just plain decent honest folks work around the clock to deal with those problems as best as they are able.

But their biggest problem is the wealthy neighborhoods who created the poverty in the first place.

Bob Simpson
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Poverty drives procreation
Posted by: Jim Swanson on May 27, 2008 6:19 AM   
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In a country where most people believe the religious myths of free will and agency, we use these fairy tales to justify our cultural racism.
Scientists across many fields understand that poverty drives procreation. It is fairly simple, the poorer a woman is the less likely she will be able to successfully pass on her genes with any individual child or by delaying procreation. Lack of healthcare, poor nutrition, disease, et al pose threats to the successful survival of her offspring. Thus, she is driven by her body to have more children. A simple look at the world shows the highest birthrates in the poorest countries and the lowest birthrates in the wealthiest countries. Combine a high likelihood of your offspring having their own offspring with real opportunities for women to have fulfilling lives and you have a rapidly dropping birthrate. (Note: there are a few cultural/religious factors which slightly skew these trends. Mormons and some other religious groups are conditioned to have more children and countries such as Sweden have slightly higher birthrates than similar countries. These are exceptions and minor when you look at the big picture.) Mexico's birthrate has dropped by around 50% over the last half century as their middle class has grown and woman have approached equality of opportunity.The same is true in most European and the economically successful Asian countries.
Only when Women of Color have equal and unfettered access to adequate nutrition, healthcare, lower stress environments, a culture which doesn't remove Men of Color for status offenses (we incarcerate 25% of all those in prison and a majority are in prison because of their skin color and economic status), and EQUALITY, will we see a drop in their birthrates. The same applies to other women in poverty.
Get over the "personal responsibility" and "free will" garbage and accept our cultural responsibilities. Religions invented these myths to justify human suffering and our culture uses them to excuse our Racism.

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parenting license?
Posted by: pitipua on May 27, 2008 8:08 AM   
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Should we be asking people to get licensed before becoming parents? Unfortunately for some, the State cannot and should not be in the business of policing how people live their lives. However, it is currently failing miserably at one task that does belong to its duties, which is providing a safety net for poor families. The main destroyer of families are not gay married people or lack of religion. The main destroyer is poverty and lack of healthcare.

As a former elementary educator, I can tell you: besides the obvious fact that not everyone is cut to be a parent (and that cuts accross all socieconomic boundaries) the main enemies of good parenting is lack of education and lack of material means. That in turn becomes a self sustaining cycle as children, lacking academic support at home, start falling behind academically.

If I ran the world, I'd get rid of poverty first, then lecture people about personal choices.

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» RE: get rid of poverty first Posted by: Jim Swanson
Social Responsibilty
Posted by: rerses on May 27, 2008 8:21 AM   
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We need to look at institutional racism. We need to ask the question: why do a disproportionate segment of African Americans live in poverty? For one thing, the economic base has been cut off for many poor people of color. High paying manufacturing jobs have been eliminated which helped to destroy the family structure. People cannot support families on Walmart salaries. Poverty becomes a vicious cycle; today we have third and fourth generation single, female family heads who are uneducated and poverty stricken. Also, poor people often attend underachieving schools which means they lack the preparation for college or vocational training.The six trillion dollars that has been wasted in Iraq could have been spent on job training and educational programs.

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Education is key......
Posted by: nomoreblinders on May 27, 2008 8:33 AM   
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I work in the medical field as a minority white woman. I am intrigued by the attitudes of SOME of the blacks I work with. These gals think nothing of getting government supplements. The solution to their woes is to have MORE babies, thus securing MORE checks!! Dependence of able-bodied people on a government is slavery without the chains -- don't you see? Furthering their education, or making sure their kids stay in school are very low priorities.........why is that? The educated blacks that I know have 1 to 3 kids, and demand that their kids do well in school -- getting tutors if necessary. Doctors I work with (wealthy, educated) are satisfied with 1 or 2 kids. It looks like EDUCATION is the key to getting out of the ghetto and staying out, and EDUCATED blacks will even tell you that!! Don't be deluded into thinking Kids CAUSE poverty---that's idiotic!!

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Daniel Patrick Moynahan was right 30 years ago
Posted by: billwald on May 27, 2008 9:26 AM   
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He conducted a Senate study that concluded the Black family was being trashed. It is cultural, not economic or genetic.

Prior to 1964 the black community probably had a higher moral and work ethic than did the white community because they had to but at a lower economic level than did the white community. The black lawyer's kids went to school and church with the white lawyer's kids.

After '64 the upper class black people moved out of the ghetto into the white neighborhoods and were replaced by white trash. The old black culture has been trashed by an amalgamation with the white trash culture.

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S.
Posted by: sgordon on May 27, 2008 10:17 AM   
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All the comments have valid points but no one mentioned the one I think keeps most of these women in poverty: their religion that doesn't allow them to seek and use birth control. Having a child in the teen years and again and again after that makes it very difficult to continue their education and get a decent job. Only the most determined will manage that. Being poor limits their social contacts and their social activities. The only fun (and stress relief) that is free is sex. I'm sure very few of these women are thinking of having another child when in bed with their man. They most likely seek the comfort of another's touch, warmth. But their religious leaders preach "No birth control and no abortion". What a bind!!
If these religions really cared about the welfare of their followers, they'd give out condoms and teach other real methods of birth control. Teaching Abstinence is absurd. It goes agains human nature, urges and needs. It's like preaching against sleep. The human body craves both.
I'm sure there will be a negative uproar over my suggestion. The brainwashing has been very thorough for centuries. The religions that teach against birth control do it to increase their numbers and power. It definitely is not for the good of their followers.

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Excellent Piece
Posted by: Jerry on May 27, 2008 10:34 AM   
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I worked 20 years in child welfare. The system is about policing and oppressing poor women of color. I have seen middle class women get a pass, when clearly they were abusive. More than ever American "taxi cab Calvinism" continues to blame the poor, especially poor women of color for everything wrong with society. It is an interlocking system. The poor reap huge profits for the PIC and its attendant agencies. WE NEED CHANGE!

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EXCUSES!!
Posted by: beaubeau on May 27, 2008 12:15 PM   
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TO LOVE AND TEACH YOUR CHILDREN MORALITY DOES NOT REQUIRE MONEY. AND YES ECONOMIC TIMES ARE TOUGH -BUT DON'T MAKE EXCUSES!! (AND YES I AM A BLACK WOMAN)

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False dichotomies
Posted by: jebpgh on May 27, 2008 3:09 PM   
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Several decades ago, researchers Francis Fox Piven and Richard Cloward observed that the poor and near-poor in a capitalist society were subject to public policies which were largely intended to manage their participation in the workforce. The landmark study, Regulating the Poor, traced the origins of the modern welfare system from the Middle Ages to the present. This article raises up the essential truth of their findings. The working poor are kept on the edge of survival as a matter of economic need for a marginal workforce. While we all debate what individuals can do to survive - and thank god most do - it misses the larger point. Public policy is an extension of economic need. When the workforce is abundant and jobs are few, welfare grows and becomes "liberal". When the workforce is constrained and jobs are unfilled, welfare becomes "conservative" and forces more into the workforce even if the wages cannot support a family.

Clinton did not "end welfare as we know it" he simply made it less available and forced more homemakers into the workforce even if the wages were inadequate. As the situation reversed we saw what many had predicted - families thrown off welfare, forced into the labor force, attempting to raise families. As these families failed, the social welfare system moved in and took children from parents, declared poor families dysfunctional, increased the prison population (it is no accident we have the highest incarceration rate in the industrial world) and in all manner treated the poor like shit again (anyone care to revisit New Orleans' Ninth Ward today?).

Now we are facing the problem all over again. The working poor are being crushed by inflation in food and gas prices, immigration has swept away many of the safety net jobs the poor held, public housing has been demolished as a matter of bi-partisan policies, inner city schools are a disgrace, rural communities are facing a standard of living that resembles the Great Depression. We are a nation that is living a growing nightmare for millions while millions are living in sublime ignorance.

Christopher Lasch, the great Marxist sociologist, characterized this destruction of the poor as a crime. He was right. If Martin Luther King was alive there would be a call for another Poor People's March on Washington next Spring.

What is going on is victimology 101. The people in New Orleans deserved to drown because they didn't leave - never mind that they couldn't. Poor mothers who cannot raise their children because of poor schools and jobs that don't provide adequate resources are to blame for being poor mothers and deserve to lose their children. Men who commit minor crimes and do time which becomes a vicious cycle when they get out because they did time and there are no longer any transitional resources due to budget cuts will become repeat offenders - and society is blameless.

This isn't a new story, just another chapter in the saga.

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» RE: False dichotomies Posted by: Romantic Violence
Wake Up and Smell the Class War
Posted by: lorenbliss on May 27, 2008 6:18 PM   
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Jill Filipovic’s “Too Poor to Parent” -- which for accuracy’s sake should be re-titled “When the State Claims You’re Too Poor to Parent” -- is breakthrough journalism: the kind of reportage Dorothea Lange, Gerda Taro and Jill Freedman did with their cameras but which has since been methodically suppressed. Filipovic is to be commended for her courage, not the least because -- just as the “spayed/neutered” commentary proves -- far too many self-proclaimed “progressives” are as malevolent as any plutocrat when it comes to hatred and contempt for those of us who are poor.

Unfortunately though Filipovic’s analysis suffers from one huge flaw. Typical of U.S. leftists -- never mind it is ever more obvious our national plight is understandable only in terms of class-struggle -- she ignores this pivotal truth entirely. Thus she blames racism -- not class-hatred -- for the maliciousness of individual welfare workers and the savagery of welfare policy in general. And while there’s no doubt, just as she says, that African-Americans are disproportionately its victims, she ignores the fact that virtually all other welfare recipients are subjected to the same vicious bullying and belittlement.

I speak from bitter experience.

Through a journalism career that spans half a century, I assumed I knew all there was to know about the despotism of welfare agencies in New York City and at least four states: New York, New Jersey, Washington and Tennessee. No other bureaucracy in the U.S. -- not even the police bureaucracies of the brutally segregationist Jim Crow South -- approaches these welfare bureaucracies in deception, arrogance, vindictiveness and just plain hatefulness.

But then disability flung me into temporary dependence on the system I had formerly covered, and I learned I had only glimpsed the grim realities that are the welfare recipients’ entire universe -- a Kafkaesque horror unimaginable to anyone who has not experienced it firsthand. Its regulations ensure you are effectively a prisoner, as powerless as any penitentiary inmate, but catch-22, the regulations are often kept secret. The caseworkers’ sadistic penchant for zero-tolerance enforcement is well known. Equally notorious is their smirking retaliation against those who dare appeal their edicts -- for example, “computer errors” that wipe out your entire file, terminate your stipends and thus cast you into homelessness.

From my first day on welfare I lived with fear, fear more devastating than any I have ever known. It was fear 24/7 -- my last awareness before falling asleep, my first glimpse of consciousness upon awakening.

Such fear, I learned, is the one welfare constant. Whether you are a formerly productive worker impoverished by disability or a single mother entrapped by chronic impoverishment, in the eyes of the caseworkers, it is always “your fault,” and you are scorned and badgered accordingly. Regardless of race or gender, this is the one experience U.S. welfare recipients have in common. Which proves it is no accident -- that it is instead an expression of policy.

Thus if we are to understand the practices Filipovic rightfully deplores, we must first recognize the extent to which they are the deliberate embodiment of capitalist values -- specifically capitalism’s core mythology that success or failure is always own doing. What Filipovic condemns as an expression of racism is actually a weapon of class war, ensuring that capitalism’s victims remain too convinced they are failures to fight back. The reason the welfare authorities so often target African-Americans is thus also obvious: they are the last remaining citizens who, as a group, continue to resist what is being done to us all -- probably because their history grants them the unique wisdom to instantly recognize re-enslavement.

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re: poverty and children
Posted by: cherylsass123 on May 27, 2008 11:20 PM   
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I'll probably get banned if I agree with whomever said ' spay/neuter' ; but in some ways they may have a point; just that here in " free" america; we can't do what china does. I will say that , while this article says about black mothers whom are poor, it is all poor mothers, not by race! kind of funny , because while the poor ones can't afford to have children, I see what I often call " overbreeding" right here in upper middle class southbury,connecticut; a 98% white yuppie town where these yuppie parents have 3-4 kids, and then, expect even those whom are struggling to afford the constant tax increases due to the school budget rising at least 5-6 % yearly; to pay for their kids schooling! that, and they expect the town to build all these stupid new " ballfield parks" everywhere so their little " jockstraps" they enroll in sport's activities; can have a place to learn how to become better, more competitive " soccer stars."
but back to the poor women having children they can not afford. I blame it on the men- and if anybody should be sterilized, it should be THE MEN! true, men seem to need to have sex to get rid of the stress; but these men do NOT seem to care , nor want to be good fathers[ unlike those yuppies I often bitch about; whom have the income to do so] and then those very same women, not to get racist, but many of them being either black or hispanic; for some weird reason they choose to have children with these men whom are technically " poor", yet deal dope so they can "provide" their chosen " bitches" or " ho's" with all the material comforts that the educated, wealthier parents take for granted. but when it comes to being good fathers, well they do not seem to want to get married, nor use birth control which makes " fucking less enjoyable". AGAIN, BLAME THIS ON ABSTINENCE-BASED SEX EDUCATION, as well as the extremely-patriarchial values of HIP HOP and what it means to " be from the hood' " many of those same women do not marry these guys because , for one; it is easier for them to get what little welfare they can get; this being that they've been forced to seek whatever work they can find according to BILL CLINTON'S welfare to work plan- which does not work, by the way.
honestly, as a transsexual lesbian woman quite familiar with the LGBT world; I'm going to have to say that if the HETEROSEXUAL world was to be given government funded condoms; and yes, convinced/strogly enocuraged to use them to both prevent unwanted pregnancies as well as sexually-transmitted diseases; that many of these unwanted pregnancies would be stopped! one final note, of course with the RURAL POOR WHITE COMMUNITY- IT IS THE STUPID, MEANINGLESS; FUNDAMENTALIST-CHRISTIAN RELIGION CHURCHES WHICH ARE THE MOST TO BLAME! THEY ARE THE ONES WHOM FUNNEL MILLIONS OF $$$ TO THE RIGHT WING REPUG-NICANS IN ORDER TO " PROMOTE RESPONSIBILITY" THROUGH ABSTINENCE! [ not that the catholics are any better in the upper middle class world! ]

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Black children in Foster care
Posted by: jumperladd on May 28, 2008 10:03 AM   
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I have found that being poor is not the cause of children nor is being poor a reason NOT to have children. Many of the people I run into on a daily basis that are "poor" with children, are not the sharpest knives in the drawer. I do believe that failure to provide proper nutrition while these mothers are pregnant has a bearing on the health and general well being of their babies, I believe intelligence can be placed in there also. Blaming a person for NOT caring for their chldren based on race is WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!
With the current economic woes of most working families, color is not the issue. We need a comprehensive re-evaluation of what it is that makes us "Americans" and how we will care for each other. Race is just too obvious not the problem to be used as a factor in the decision process.

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BLACKWOMEN, ALONE: PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE
Posted by: Malcus Garvey on May 28, 2008 1:55 PM   
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It's all a part of the destruction of the Black Family, to preserve white supremacy/ institutionalized racism/capitalism & democracy. None of these items can be maintained without Black devastation.

First the man had to be eliminated--prison, and Welfare schemes of punishing complete, Black Families--now, with the women taking on two roles (father and mother), now the ploy is to rape the Blackwoman, by robbing her of her God-given asset, the Black child.

This is all a part of the plan. White males sit in their boardrooms calculating mannerisms to ruin, impoverish, and subjugate Blacks. The females are just the path of least resistance to dismantle, God's First Family.

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What welfare achieved
Posted by: Dianka on May 29, 2008 10:58 PM   
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Andy F wrote: "I did not see any suggested solutions to breaking the cycle of poverty. Instead, the only suggestion is to increase assistance to poor mothers. We had a 25+ year experiment using this approach which ended in the mid '90s and found that it really didn't work too well." You might find it interesting to do some research on the history of welfare.

Actually, you are mistaken on a number of points. Most modern nations have welfare programs, and the US was always among the least "generous" welfare systems. In the US, welfare, under numerous names, has existed off and on (depending on political whims of the day) since the Colonial era.
Modern welfare was established as part of the Social Security Act in the 1930's.The fed govt began "pitching in" in 1950. Welfare, like the experiment called "American democracy", was constantly changing, sometimes for the better, sometimes not.
There was no "cycle of dependency", although there remain pockets of persistent poverty. Low rents are where the jobs aren't, and little effort was made to give people access to training/ jobs. Briefly, in the 1970's, welfare benefits were raised up to just above the poverty line, and education/job skills training were made available (benefiting recipients, employers and society as a whole). The poor eagerly utilized these to work their way out of poverty, repaying (via their taxes) every penny of aid they had received.
Hundreds of thousands worked their way into the mainstream from 1965 to 1985. Jobs expanded, houses were bought, the infrastructure was repaired by people who trained via job programs. Gov revenues increased, increasing the quality of life. When benefits were at their highest, welfare rolls shrank the most. Until Reagan's welfare cuts, some 80% of AFDC recipients voluntarily quit welfare in under 5 years. Long-term recipients were almost all people with disabilities or special needs(illiterate, etc.)
US economic disparities shrank. General health improved, public health care costs ecreased, allowing more money for research, etc. Children did better in school, and many went on to college.
Welfare not only worked, but was a shining success. Then came Reagan, the raiding of public funds (welfare, the Social Security surplus, etc) to cover the cost of massive annual tax "relief" for the rich, funding companies that move our jobs to foreign countries, and hyper-militarism.
Do people think that there was one permanent group of welfare recipients, who signed up in 1960 remained on welfare until 1996? Again, most were short-term, often families in crisis, who were able to quickly return to normal lives. (A side note: Most were white, many married or widowed, only a small minority of teen-aged mothers.) Welfare rolls increased when the economy soured, decreased when it improved.
What welfare did was kept families together and saved many, many lives, while using only 6% of the federal budget at the most. I would say that's worth something. The impact of "reform" is far-reaching and damaging, supressing wages, breaking unions and wiping out the fundamental rights of workers. Prison populations exploded, unknown numbers of families were torn apart. Our infant mortality rate now exceeds that of most Third World nations, and the life expectancy of our poor has been in a free-fall.

SOLUTIONS: Restore aid by reversing the welfare for the rich, bring back those programs with a proven track record, and make changes based on what works (rather than what's politically expedient). Listen to the actual experts (not politicians) about what is needed, what works and what doesn't.

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You are Right!
Posted by: Nick747 on Jun 20, 2008 12:37 PM   
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I completely agree with your argument and wish that the discussion of this topic will continue. Poverty in the richest country in the world is a MAJOR problem and single mothers are one of the groups it effects the hardest.

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