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California Gay Marriage Backlash Begins

Posted by Rev. Irene Monroe, The Bilerico Project at 8:30 AM on May 21, 2008.


A conservative backlash in California has begun, with opponents gathering signatures for the November ballot.
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have learned as both a pastor and as a member belonging to several minority groups- African-American, women and lesbian- that a popular opinion on an issue does not always reflect the right choice. Too often, the right choice and the moral high ground on an issue derive from a small struggling group trying both to be seen and heard among the cacophony of dissenting voices and opposing votes. Moreover, it is with this group we see democracy's tenacity working, where those relegated to the fringes of society can begin to sample what those in society take for granted as their inalienable right.

Last week we saw democracy work. In a 4-to-3 decision, California Supreme Court ruled that a "separate and unequal" system of domestic partnership for same-sex couples is not only blatantly discriminatory but it is also unconstitutional.

"In contrast to earlier times, our state now recognizes that an individual's capacity to establish a loving and long-term committed relationship with another person and responsibly to care for and raise children does not depend upon the individual's sexual orientation, and, more generally, that an individual's sexual orientation -- like a person's race or gender -- does not constitute a legitimate basis upon which to deny or withhold legal rights," the Court wrote.

However, the knot is not completely tied for California's same-sex couples.

A conservative backlash in California has already begun with opponents gathering signatures to place on the November ballot, defining marriage as between a man and a woman.

California will not be alone it is efforts. Florida will vote on a constitutional amendment in November, and, Arizona, presidential hopeful John McCain's state, is considering doing the same. Twenty-seven states already have constitutional amendments prohibiting same-sex marriage, defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman.

When society narrowly defines marriage as the union between a man and a woman, it is not only policing the sexual behaviors of lesbian and gay people, but society is also policing the sexual behaviors of heterosexuals. Handcuffing marriage to a heterosexual paradigm merely chokes its possibility of ever flourishing and lasting, especially as we are coming to understand the fluidity of not only gender and sexual identities but also of the constant changing configuration of family units.

In the Court's need to deal fairly with same-sex couples given the widespread public sentiment against same-sex marriage did it ignore the will of the people?

The California Court's decision can be read two ways.

The Court upheld the democratic process by offering same- sex couples marriage and not "marriage -lite" with civil unions. Alternatively, the Court overstepped its authority, imposing its will on an issue the country, let alone the state of California, is not ready for.

With purportedly more than 1.2 million signatures gathered to place on the November ballot, more than twice the requisite number needed to initiate the process of passing a constitutional amendment to put the question on the 2008 election ballot, is the democratic process thwarted?

To put lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people's equal rights on the ballot for a popular vote is both wrong-hearted and wrong-headed. If I waited for slaveholders to free my ancestors predicated on a ballot vote we all wouldn't be living in the America we know today.

The proponents of the ballot question are a well financed, and well-organized voting constituency. As a tyrannical majority, they represent themselves as a formidable might that have power and money, and not as a group of people advocating a moral right. Marriage for them is defined solely as between a man and a woman, and any variation of their gender prescription within this institution is vehemently beaten down. They use the ballot not to promote justice but instead to promulgate their bigoted agenda, and democracy works only when their side wins.

I have learned, however, that democracy is an ongoing process where people are part of a participatory government working to dismantle all existing discriminatory laws that truncate their full participation in society. The work of democracy along this troubling human timeline is rooted in justice and social change allowing us to see those faces and to hear those voices in a society of the damned, the disinherited, the disrespected, and the dispossessed.

Democracy can only begin to work when those relegated to the fringes of society can begin to sample what those in society take for granted as their inalienable right. And sometimes for that to happen people, like our Massachusetts lawmakers and now California's, have to step in to make the democratic process work for us all.

While LGBTQ families in California have not seen the last in this ballot battle, they are getting, at least for now, a sample of what we LGBTQ families in Massachusetts can take for granted -democracy


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Hypocrisy
Posted by: QQOblivion on May 21, 2008 8:58 AM   
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Let's see. In America's unconstitutional and illegal "war on terror" dungeons, men are raped (women too), their genitals are cut into with knives, they are stacked into naked pyramids, they are forced to have sex with each other (including with male family members), their genitals are shocked, they have jagged sticks shoved into their rectums.

All of this is fine and dandy with right-wingers in this country.

But a LOVING homosexual marriage between consenting adults??
Well, that is an abomination against God, and should be banned!!

Get a grip, people!
If, as they say, marriage exists mainly for the purpose of having kids, then let married gay people adopt, and then ban barren heterosexuals from being able to marry.
So, of course, the claim that marriage is only for having kids is a lie.
The real reason gay marriage is outlawed?
Bigotry, pure and simple.

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» RE: Hypocrisy Posted by: mindtrvlr
Democracy?
Posted by: pdxstudent on May 21, 2008 9:29 AM   
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"Last week we saw democracy work. In a 4-to-3 decision, California Supreme Court ruled that a 'separate and unequal' system of domestic partnership for same-sex couples is not only blatantly discriminatory but it is also unconstitutional."

There is nothing particularly democratic about this event. It is an instance of the rule of law; a fascist state or baroque monarchy are just as suitable for its use. To that end, the ruling had nothing to do with discrimination and everything to do with constitutionality. If there was a constitutional basis for the decision, it wouldn't have turned out the way it did. Throwing around the word democracy doesn't sanctify it or change anything, other than to demonstrate a willingness to throw around the word democracy.

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» Correction (in bold) Posted by: pdxstudent
» RE: My mistake Posted by: Ydotheyhateus
» RE: I Don't Know What You Are Talking About Posted by: Friend Of Jonathan
Yep
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on May 21, 2008 9:32 AM   
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They will do exactly what they have done here in Massachusetts. They will try to get it through any way they can. Here they even went so far as to have people lie about what the petition they were having people sign was really about.

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» RE: Yep Posted by: Ydotheyhateus
The failure of "democracy" and so-called "populism".
Posted by: ABetterFuture on May 21, 2008 9:59 AM   
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Freedom and liberty have nothing necessarily to do with democracy and populism.

One person surmised that democracy equate to two wolves and chicken voting on who's for dinner. Remember that, and also remember that just because you see a group yelling loudly, that doesn't mean they give a tin shit about your freedoms.

See also: mandatory-ish Clinton/Obama/McCain healthcare. These anti-choice zealots would have your freedoms, if you let them.

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Why now, why again, in time for a Presidential Election..why now again..?
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 21, 2008 11:01 AM   
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Only an idiot thinks the timing of this decision is a good thing..for gays, straights, bi's and whatever the hell else is out there..

Wasn't 2004 and the way Rove and the Republicans and the religious fanatics and heretics used this issue to perpetuate all the corruption theft murder and destruction of all of our rights and the Constitution itself and our economy a lesson that the time to address this is after Democrats take back the White House and also majority over 60 or more in the Senate..

This is just so stupid to bring this back to life again in time for a crucial presidential election..with so many lives at stake and our entire Republic and economy in the balance..

I'm sure most gays would prefer the Republicans were out of the White House just a few moths from now to wait to finally settle this issue for good..

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More than a simple or moral issue
Posted by: Andrew_S on May 21, 2008 12:50 PM   
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While individual groups strive for political equity, who really pays. The conversion of american welfare, social policy into the legal system for a one suit fits all, is a development that is far more frightening. Especially when we have a very special type of judicial system that evolves and is enmeshed in the social infrastructure of a culture. The absolute envisaged model was the distinct seperation of fundamental but unassailable institutes that compose that society or culture. The subjugation of all those models into a juristocracy by anything but name is what we have today. It openly operates in secret, with no accountability nor power restrictions, it is now the state, it is social policy, it is fiscal policy, it is the moral dial, and it is also the law. All these things in the hands of one institute, with no seperation of powers, no restrictions on it's operation, and no bounds on it's patronage. Do we really have a gay rights issue, no we have a constitutional issue. Does a 'citizen' of the UCC states of America, have the right, to pursue life, liberty and all things so embodied, free of interference, or not. My taking the temperature and the discourse of conversations regarding this issue, it would appear not. As the poster regarding the concept of democracy has indicated we have a problem, but without the true constitutional republic that America was based on, we have no true democracy, This is not an issue of an individuals right, it is an issue of societal right that is obscured.
Here is an interesting article from a Dr Jennifer Roebock Morse
Thus, registered domestic partnerships have been available in California since 1999, and their status has been continually upgraded. The benefits of domestic partnerships now mirror the benefits of marriage very closely. Yet, that has never been enough. The pressure for the complete redefinition of marriage has continued without missing a beat.

Can we be confident that even same sex marriage is the ultimate goal? I think the honest answer is no. The freight train of same sex marriage will not stop at the station called simple "equality." The legal equivalence of same sex couples with opposite sex couples means that marriage will no longer be society's most reliable method of attaching mothers and fathers to their children and to each other. Marriage will become a gender-neutral creation of the state, which actively detaches children from at least one of their parents. Parentage will not flow automatically from the marital union, but will have to be assigned by the state. The final stop on this train is the complete de-gendering of society, along with the continual incursion of the state into civil society.

The state must hold that mothers and fathers are completely interchangeable. Biological parents married to each other become officially equivalent to one parent plus their lover. The state will be indifferent as to whether children have any connection with their biological parents.

The experiences of other countries with same sex marriage illustrate that this is no mere expansion of an existing institution. In Spain, the words "mother" and "father" were removed from birth certificates in favor of "Progenitor A" and "Progenitor B". Courts in Canada have assigned parental rights to three adults. Similar experiences from Massachusetts and the UK leave no doubt that the state will have to continually intervene to prop up same sex marriage, and the gender-oblivious society that comes along with it. Sexual orientation will be viewed as immutable, with sex itself as a mere social construct.

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More than a simple or Moral issue (cont)
Posted by: Andrew_S on May 21, 2008 12:51 PM   
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Continued.....
As Douglas Farrow, a Canadian academic asks in his book, Nation of Bastards: Essays on the End of Marriage, is this really what we intended to do?

Gays and lesbians have as much political power in California as in any state in America. If civil unions could have ever been a viable political compromise position, it would have been here. Any candidate who favors civil unions, is really saying that he favors the continual progress of this train toward the destination of same sex marriage, and perhaps even beyond to the ultimate radical goal of a completely non-gendered society.

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» RE: A Simple Moral issue Posted by: Crazy H
» RE: does not define marriage Posted by: riotoustanpdx
» RE: does not define marriage Posted by: Andrew_S
» RE: does not define marriage Posted by: Crazy H
» RE: does not define marriage Posted by: Friend Of Jonathan
» Such a double standard Posted by: Friend Of Jonathan
» RE: Such a double standard Posted by: Andrew_S
Why not take the other course?
Posted by: riotoustanpdx on May 22, 2008 3:58 PM   
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The other course is a legal contract between two or more people. Why not have three or four people in a marriage if that is agreeable to those who want to hang together.

The whole matter is a waste of time; Nero fiddles while Rome burns.

The time and energy, and money, spent arguing over the moot point of an arbitrary title, "married," could be better spent on substantive matters:

Where will the food come from when nutrient depleted soils will no longer produce?

Where will the water come from for the table or the farm?

Where will the nutrients come from to nourish those who would be married, or those who won't be?

Where will the energy come from, in whatever form?

After the big corporations buy all the land, as they are inclined to do, how will housing be affordable; where will gay OR straight, married OR not married people live?

Without oil, energy, food, water, housing, and toys, what good are all the rights in the world, and what difference will it make if the state grants someone the status of "married?"

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It is a moral issue - one of human rights.
Posted by: leland61 on May 22, 2008 8:45 PM   
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All human rights issues are fundamentally moral issues. They may also be civil rights issues. In the USA the marriage contract, recognized by the state, confers a multitude of rights and privileges on those who enter into the contract.

To insist that some people do not have equal rights because the person with whom they wish to enter this contract is of the same sex is simply to deny equal rights. Isn't this a violation of the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution?

As for the supreme court decision in California, it certainly has nothing to do with democracy directly. It is all about a constitution that guarantees equal rights being enforced. Democracy can be a monster without the rule of law.

But not to worry. The democratic republic is well on its way to extinction. Many students of history and politics have pointed out that a people can have a democracy or an Empire but not both; the Greeks found this out the hard way. A people may have a Republic or an Empire, but not both, the Romans found this out as well. America is at a crossroads as the United Kingdom was in the middle part of the last century. We will have to decide very soon what it is going to be. America the Democratic Republic or America the World Empire.

The Republicans have already made their choice. They want the Empire, a fascist empire that is a blend of business and government with only a passing gesture to democracy that allows the few people who bother to vote to choose one of two people the elite have already vetted and found in their camp. It appears, from the resounding silence of the two democratic candidates that they agree with the fundamental imperialistic attitude of the republicans. There is one party with two branches. They all agree on the basic issues - which are economic policy and world domination. All the rest is window dressing to appeal either to the limousine liberals or the Neanderthal religious fruit loops.

Empires have no use for civil liberties but they do like a quiescent bunch at home and will do anything that doesn't rock the economic imperial ship of state to keep the peasants in line.

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WELL
Posted by: mindtrvlr on May 22, 2008 10:14 PM   
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I was against the idea of gays right to marry, but they want that right, so we should grant equality to all who want it. After finding out what it means to be tied down to someone for the rest of your life and having to put up with someone whom you get tired of quickly, the gays will learn that being attached to someone and unable to just walk away without paying a stiff penalty, that marriage isn't all its cracked up to be in a lot of cases. So, let them have at it, and they can be miserable like the rest of us. When the perfect other walks away with half your assets and some huge alimony check every month, it will be welcome to the real world.
Good Luck Lovers. Heh heh heh

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