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Catcalling is NOT a Compliment

Posted by Amanda Marcotte, Pandagon at 5:02 AM on May 16, 2008.


CNN misses the point in its article about men catcalling women.
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Wow, this headline reads like something in the Reader’s Digest circa 1970, wedged between articles on why kids don’t appreciate waltzing anymore and how smoking marijuana cigarettes will cause your daughter to become a streetwalker: “Catcalling: creepy or a compliment?” (Via.) The article isn’t nearly so bad, and gives full voice to women who grasp that a man yelling sexual (and insulting or threatening) things at you on the sidewalk is insulting you for being a woman, not complimenting you.

But just like those articles of old from Schlaflyites (”I love getting hooted at on the street, and husbands have a right to rape wives!”), this one is full of women the reader is supposed to take cues from on how to be less of a grumpus pain in the ass who thinks she has dignity worth defending.

On the other hand, some women appreciate the attention in certain cases, like Jessica, a 31-year-old health-care educator in Los Angeles who declined to use her last name to protect her privacy.

“Yeah, it’s objectifying and all, but you know, if I walked down the street and didn’t have men looking me up and down and catcalling, I’d think, ‘Boy, I must really be getting old and dumpy,’ ” she said.

She’s gotten catcalls just walking her parents’ dog in baggy sweats. “I thought it was hysterical, like, ‘Boy, doesn’t take much to impress you, does it?’ “

It’s true that they’ll do it to you no matter what you’re wearing, because it’s not a compliment. I can understand why this woman is deluding herself—it’s both flattering to imagine you’re so hot men are inspired to passion by the mere site of you and it also helps protect the brain from realizing how many men out there just really hate you—but I’m sure she’s not unaware of those times when the cat-calling occurs when there are no other people around and you find yourself grabbing for a weapon or your cell phone. Because it’s a threat in many cases, or at bare minimum a reminder to random women that the cat-caller feels entitled to control their experience of being outside the house.

The thing about conflating cat-calling or other forms of domination with male sexual desire is that this is a gross insult to men who can tell the difference between “I’d like to see her smiling at me with pleasure” and “I’d like to see her crying in fear of my mighty manhood that needs constant reinforcing”.

The article notes that 98% of the women surveyed had been cat-called at some point, and 30% report that it’s a common thing. (It is for me, because I spend a lot of time out and about.) Since we know that 99.99% of women bitching about being sexually harassed or assaulted is bitches just trying to get at men with their lies, we can conclude from this survey that 98% of women are man-hating liars.

Or that’s what I learned from this thread at Huffington Post about this incident involving a 16-year-old who put together an only half-intelligible video about being raped and not having the prosecutor press charges for the rape, a perfectly plausible scenario, especially considering the girl’s very real distress on the video. Of course, second comment in people are griping about how it’s all lies and an act—seriously, the way some men act in the comments on stories like this, you’d think they collectively raped the various victims who are being accused of lying. Some hide behind a concern for the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty (in court, you morons—private citizens are allowed their opinions), but interestingly they have no problem judging a woman guilty of false accusations. Accusing someone of lying about being the victim of a crime is a serious accusation, and by their own measure they shouldn’t be making it.

I wonder if these same people, if there was a post on Huffington Post about someone getting mugged, would hotly be saying, “Well, if it’s true,” and “Shouldn’t that be alleged mugging victim?”

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The women's movement has been struggling for over a century to achieve equal rights and status. In the 1960's, the surge in the women's movement galvanized women to pressure policy-makers to recognize the equality of women in law. Impeding the realization of their dream, men's attitudes remain in the dark ages as does their believe about the necessity of violence to resolve disputes.

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Oh com'on...
Posted by: buddyedgewood on May 16, 2008 9:35 AM   
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...baby! Why don't you get your sweet butt into the kitchen and get me a beer?

I joke, but I know it's no joking matter. I completely blame organized religion for our whacked sense of gender biasness.

The sooner we ban all organized religion, the better off we'll be.

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mob mentality
Posted by: e rice on May 16, 2008 9:47 AM   
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how often does a man who is alone catcall?

like many behaviors in many men, catcalling has nothing to do with a woman--but everything to do with the constant need some men have to demonstrate and prove their masculinity to other men.

from my own experiences and from observation, i could cite numerous instances---men who ask women out only if they think their men friends would be impressed by the women, not because they actually like those women; locker room lies; men who are courteous only if there are no other men around, or only if there are, depending often on class standards.

of course, this isn't limited to sexual matters. how many men are going to admit they hate football or rock music? or admit they would rather have a cup of tea than coffee?

mature men, confident in their identities, eat quiche if they want to and don't harass people.

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Very good
Posted by: Love Me, I'm a Liberal on May 16, 2008 10:06 AM   
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Great post Amanda. I'm a guy who is always tempted to cat call at pedestrians, but I don't because I know it's offensive. I hate having misogynistic temptations instilled in me by our culture. I wish I could wash my brain clean of such things.

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How did a post about Catcalls get merged into a post about a rape victim?
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on May 16, 2008 11:09 AM   
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I can see catcalls being on a scale of creep to complimentary depending on who the guy is, what he says, and whether or not the girl found him attractive and how she felt about the comment.

Things are not cut and dry. There is no one size fits all. A "Damn that girl looks fine" said to friends but loud enough for the girl to hear is a far cry different from a "Yo baby you are hot, would you suck my c*ck". Both could be considered catcalls though.


To then lump in rape with it all though, yeah I did start to get the feeling this is another misandry laden post, they seem to be on the rise. I don't recall Alternet posting such a volume of posts on this topic in the past.

P.S. I do find it ironic that Alternet's spell check labels misandry as misspelled but misogyny gets no such flag. Not saying it's deliberate (Alternet gets a flag as misspelled), just funny.

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Never made a catcall in my life
Posted by: cwilsondrum on May 16, 2008 1:03 PM   
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never occurred to me. think it makes you look like a desperate, ignorant,fool. and really, really unattractive

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