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Straight Talk About Gas Prices

Posted by Brad , Sadly No! at 10:34 AM on May 1, 2008.


America's political leaders have no one to blame but themselves for skyrocketing gas prices.
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The truth is, we’re basically screwed in the short term and we have no one to blame but ourselves.

Why? Because we as a nation have:

  • Invested woefully small amounts in improving our rail and public transportation infrastructure - if you’ve ever stayed in Las Vegas, you know how well this has worked out.

  • Remained dependent on oil and coal instead of looking toward wind, solar and even nuclear power as good solutions where appropriate.

  • Done jack-squat to improve gas-mileage standards in our cars.

  • Allowed oil companies to write our national energy policies.

  • Decided for some bizarre reason that invading and destabilizing a major oil-producing country in the Middle East would somehow create magical oil ponies that would last forever and ever.

All of these stupid-ass decisions mean that our demand for oil and gasoline is highly inelastic in the short term - that is, we can’t reduce our consumption when prices skyrocket because no alternatives exist and we need it to get to work. The solution, of course, will come when we develop alternative fuels and admit to ourselves that destroying a national wildlife refuge just to get less than two years’ worth of new oil is not a sound solution. In the meantime, though, we’re just going to have to deal with the pain (and as someone who has a pretty long commute every morning, I know what the hell I’m talking about).

Also, I’d be remiss if I didn’t note at this point that none of this stuff is nearly as important as Barack Obama’s bowling score.

UPDATE: As justbrent notes in the comments, the sliding value of the dollar is also obviously a huge part of why we’re paying so much more for gas now than we did at the start of the decade. Also, rising demand from China and India means that prices are highly unlikely to go down at all in the future.

So we have to get off oil as soon as possible. It’ll obviously take some time, but having semi-sane political leadership will be a plus.

UPDATE II: From the Department of Grudgingly Acknowledging Credit Where It’s Due, I think the Mustache gets it right here:

It is great to see that we finally have some national unity on energy policy. Unfortunately, the unifying idea is so ridiculous, so unworthy of the people aspiring to lead our nation, it takes your breath away. Hillary Clinton has decided to line up with John McCain in pushing to suspend the federal excise tax on gasoline, 18.4 cents a gallon, for this summer’s travel season. This is not an energy policy. This is money laundering: we borrow money from China and ship it to Saudi Arabia and take a little cut for ourselves as it goes through our gas tanks. What a way to build our country.

When the summer is over, we will have increased our debt to China, increased our transfer of wealth to Saudi Arabia and increased our contribution to global warming for our kids to inherit.

The one flaw in this piece is that he seems to imply that “both sides” of the debate have been messing up our energy policy. As Rick Perlstein would say, that’s a “Notso!” The real problem is literally that we have a political coalition of wingnuts who are opposed to doing anything but sending more tax dollars to oil companies. That’s all they support, that’s all they want to ever do. That’s why the oil companies keep writing them big campaign checks.

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NATIONALIZE THE AMERICAN OIL COMPANIES AND ALL HOLDINGS..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 1, 2008 12:17 PM   
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This is the Manhattan project which would propel America into the 21st Century..as a winner..!

It would create an economic boom like no other in decades..many decades since WWII..!

We could cut costs by 30-35% and also have from $50-60 billion for alternate energy development as well as New technologies creating millions of good real jobs for AMERICANS imagine that good jobs for Americans what a concept..!

Energy is an infrastructural necessary asset as well as National Security asset..!

With this most which is otherwise going to increase corporate wealth for wealth's sake we could revolutionize our society and this boom would benefit every single American as well as almost all of our failing exiting industries and of course lower food prices and production as well..

Exxon-Mobil is acting as if they were a hostile foreign power bringing America to it's knees..!

You have to realize the America Oil companies are 49% of OPEC and that they do not pay $120 Per 42 gallon Barrel of Oil, they make 200% on each one..!

Then they make 30-33% on the gasoline they sell you..

There is no other real solution, with $50-60 billion per year imagine how we could develop alternate energies and create entire new industries..Wind, Solar, hydro-electric and maybe even fusion..even real true clean coal, hemp, cellulose ..!

Also our currency would not be effected by the international currency exchange if we develop internal energy sources and self sufficiency..!

This could still be traded on the stock market as it is in every other country with state run oil entities..!

Get with the program and start calling for the Nationalization of the American Oil Companies even just this will help keep prices down nothing scares these bastards more than that..

Our governments corruption will also be reduced by the factor the oil criminals use to bribe them..and perhaps more needless wars averted..such as Iraq..and the coming Iranian war...!

Remember the Oil Industry is not in the business of putting itself out of business..!


NATIONALIZE THE AMERICAN OIL COMPANIES AND ALL HOLDINGS..!

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Bad Ideas
Posted by: mtnclimber on May 2, 2008 5:33 AM   
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Nationalize the oil companies - Bad. Can you think of anything our government does that is efficient and sensible. They can't run what they have to let alone a major business.

Oil company profits. They are not 30-33% As anyone who can read can see from their annual reports that they make $0.08 on every dollar of sales. That's not 30-33%. Bad statistics.

Taxing the oil companies. - BAD idea. Guess what they will do? They'll have to raise the price at the pump to pay for this tax! Where else will they get the money except from you and me. Let's be sensible.

Actually we better hope they make money so that they can do exploration and find oil and refine it and deliver it to the gasoline stations for us. How else will we get gasoline?

A side note: You actually want them to make a profit. If you have any investments such as mutual funds, you'll find that the you actually own a piece of the oil industry. so if you want to make a profit on investments, you don't kill the goose that laying the 'golden egg.' A real dilemma?!

Gas Guzzling SUV's. Bad idea to ever having bought one. In the 1990's, oil and gasoline were the cheapest they have ever been when adjusted for inflation and cost of living. So what did all of you buy......gas guzzling SUV's. Thinking about what might happen - NO but inreality, since gas was at its lowest, the only thing was for prices to GO UP and they did. Now we cry about. Tough. We wnated them, the industry made them since we would but them. You made a BAD decision - live with what you created.

CAFE Gas Mileage requirements for cars, etc. - Nothing happened for 30 years!! what was our governmet and we doing. Just sitting around hoping the bubble won't burst. It is about time that Congress finally passed legislation but the results won't be felt for years.

Investments in renewable energies. Should proceed but that will take decades to see the results. Many technologies don't exist today (i.e., cellulosic ethanol) and will take decades of research, development and project time to implement.

Time to individually change our life styles and have a realistic view of what is needed rather than a knee jerk reaction to blame the oil companies for our habits.

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» RE: Bad Ideas Posted by: Amphetameme
» Bravo!!! Posted by: harpy
» RE: Bad Ideas Posted by: zeek2
» YES! Posted by: lefty010
$2.50 per Litre, anyone?
Posted by: manatthewindow on May 2, 2008 6:42 AM   
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Here in the UK, I'm currently paying £1.25 for a litre of fuel at the pumps. It would be a great relief to be able to pay US prices.
However, the same thing applies on both sides of the pond - those politicians who are in the service of the oil companies will rise to the top (Bush, Cheney, Blair, Brown etc) while those who are slow to respond to the dictates of Big Oil have no future.
Nationalisation is a red herring when the politicians are first and foremost servants of the banks and the corporations. What's needed is a movement to abolish Central Banks and remove the special legal privileges that Corporations enjoy. A Corporation has nothing to fear from the law and its existence has no purpose other than its own advancement at the expense of human beings. Until this changes, there is no possibility of re-ordering the affairs of the body politic in favour of the citizen rather than the corporation.

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Politicians should take new tack
Posted by: nvannes on May 2, 2008 7:27 AM   
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I say it's time to turn this around. Politicians should continue to take the campaign contributions from the big oil companies and then, once they have the money safely in their accounts, do what's best for the People. You know, treat the oil companies the same way they have been for the longest time treating their constituencies, tell them (the big oil companies)one thing, anything they want to hear but then DO what's best for the people.

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the limits to growth
Posted by: toddcory on May 2, 2008 9:32 AM   
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The simple fact that unlimited growth cannot happen on a finite planet seems to escape most people. We have nearly 7 billion consuming people on the planet now as resource depletion is starting to raise its head. This will get very ugly.

What to do? Reduce your consumption and become as sustainable as possible to mitigate the impacts from these issues. Our home is 109% of net-zero energy (including winter heating) with only 4.5 kW of solar PV and a SDHW system. We have a large garden and orchard. In a pinch I feel we could grow around 40% of our food. We drive a 50 MPG Prius.

I have seen this coming for about 25 years (remember Jimmy Carters warnings?) and have been working hard to prepare while everyone else played. Yes we are still impacted from the rising prices, but we are much more insulated than many. I encourage people to do what they can to accommodate this "great unwinding". The hardships we are seeing now will look like "the good old days" very shortly.

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Agree and Disagree
Posted by: Badger1492 on May 2, 2008 10:09 AM   
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I agree with the last paragraph that we have a bunch of "wingnuts" running our energy policy.

But I disagree that WE are responsible for the current situation. The four or so points listed at the beginning are true, but I take no responsibility for them. I have voted, marched, written, and spoken out against every single one of those points but our so-called leaders have not listened. I know others share my frustation.

How do we get them to listen? How do we get people to be more interested in the energy situation than Obama's bowling scores? That's something I'd like to see an Alternet artcile or blog discuss.

Guy

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Urban sprawl drives it all (okay, most of it).
Posted by: wjfaust on May 2, 2008 7:06 AM   
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One fundamental item is missing from your list of bad decisions--our sprawled urban architecture. This was foisted off on us in the 50's and 60's as a viable urban architecture and, much to auto and oil sector glee, it has become the only acceptable architecture. Until we reconstruct our urban landscape, we will not be solving the fundamental structural problem that elevates the automobile to a necessity. Until then, urban mass transit will remain ineffective.

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For once...
Posted by: jvaljon1 on May 2, 2008 3:02 PM   
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...someone here at home, making sense! (Maybe something new in the water??) Yeah of course! AOL had a slide-show, the most expensive vs the cheapest gas--and guess what, Venezuela's is the cheapest, prices at the pump are @12cents--that's TWELVE CENTS a gallon! Can anyone here imagine that? Or the prosperity that would accrue to EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN CITIZEN, with gas at 12 cents a gallon at the pump?????!!!!!

NOW I understand BushCo's hatred of Hugo Chavez. Imagine that--a national leader who won't let Shell/Exxon rip his people off!

And what's more--during the past cold northern winters, Chavez hasn't let Americans freeze in the dark either, like Republicans have! He's been busy selling heavily discounted oil to Harlem-ites (that I know of) as well as Barrio communities. In some cases he's even GIVEN IT AWAY. A lot of Americans are alive today because of Hugo Chavez, but nary anytning will you hear about that, from the MSM. Nah--to those ignoramuses who parrot Fearless Leader, Chavez is: "Duh Deb-ble!!! Hugo Duh DICTATOR is Duh Dictator! Bush says so!!!" LOL!


In fact--Neil Caduto of MSNBC, opined last year that "every REAL AMERICAN ought to REFUSE CHAVEZ DISCOUNTED OIL"...What's that you say, Neil? I should let my family freeze just because I lost my job to globalization and you people jacked up the price of gas at the pump to the WTF level??? You SERIOUS???

(That's what I demanded to know from him, in a rather hysterical email last year. Of course he never answered me. That fat-butted little a**wipe doesn't have to worry about his family, he's got BushCo taking care of him and his).

Anyway--we are Americans--right? (Neil notwithstanding) And don't WE OWN OUR OWN GAS & OIL??? What are we--PEONS???

So let's all push for nationalization of our energy industry. As soon as the Dems get in--to where they have a veto-proof majority--let's start pressing them to nationalize our oil. A free country is a great country and we haven't been free for the past eight years, and if we don't get hold of our own gas and oil, we'll NEVER BE FREE AGAIN: NATIONALIZE NOW!!!!!

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» Agreed and... Posted by: bobtr900
No, no no! "We" didn't do anything, "They" did it and "They" are solely to blame
Posted by: DaBear on May 2, 2008 6:03 PM   
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The truth is, we’re basically screwed in the short term and we have no one to blame but ourselves.

Why? Because we as a nation have:


No, No, No! The owning class did this to us. The owning class is responsible and must clean up their mess. We need to MAKE them do it. By Force if necessary...

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Nationalize...
Posted by: bobtr900 on May 2, 2008 6:58 PM   
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...the oil business and turn it into a public utility. That way it will be under tight regulation and we will know exactly what is going on. Now we know nothing and never will under the present system.

Another approach is to have the government use taxpayer dollars to go into the oil business in direct competition with the oil companies, we will be the shareholders of the Taxpayers Oil Co. We have to somehow keep the Repubnlican oil companies under control and some competitionwill be a great thing. They keep hollering that competition is the American way of life but they compete with no one and only engage incollusion with each other.

The Rethugs will soon take over food and then water. They have done thia in other countries, most notably the Latin Countries. Bushs new ranch in Paraguay is right on top of a huge aquifer. And exactly what does the Bush Crime Family have in mind. Having plundered America are they about to move on and plunder other countries.

Without a doubt the Bushie Rethug enrichening of the oil companies allows them to develop alternative forms of energy. The end effect of that will be to put these alternative sources in the hands of the oil companies so America will once again continue to be choking at the hands of the oil/energy companies. Do we all note that the oil companies are calling themselves energy companies. Why the name shift?

America has for 100 years been at the mercy of the oil barons.

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