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Things Americans Don't Want To Talk About

Posted by David Neiwert, Orcinus at 9:32 AM on April 30, 2008.


Dave Neiwert digs in to the deeper meaning of the Reverend Wright "scandal."
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One of the oddities of the emerging media meta-narrative about Jeremiah Wright is the way it is now readily assumed by the broad range of talking heads that Wright's recent comments have only proven the charge that he is deeply "anti-American," embodied in the endlessly repeated "God damn America" sound bite.

There's no doubt that a lot of Wright's views are indeed deeply critical of America, even pugnaciously (and thus disconcertingly) so, and some -- particularly his apparent absorption of racial theories regarding the spread of HIV -- are dubious at best. Considering Wright's contentious performance yesterday at the National Press Club, one really can't blame Obama for washing his hands of the man.

But it's also apparent that the larger context in which Wright condemns American behavior -- the reason he shouts "God damn America" -- in fact reflects hard historical realities that Americans, and the American media especially, really don't want to talk about, let alone confront the present-day consequences thereof.

And doing so, evidently, is now proof of being "anti-American."

Among the things, evidently, that we're not supposed to bring up because it interrupts Peggy Noonan's fantasy vision of an American history populated mostly by noble 49ers and industrious Henry Fords, are the following:

It's human, of course, to want to think of yourself as a good person, and your country as a good country. Which is why it's human of white Americans -- the descendants and beneficiaries of the people who perpetrated these atrocities -- to want to forget that these things happened. And they want to believe that because these events were in the past, and they took some initial steps toward reconciliation 40 years ago, the issues should have gone away, and if they haven't, well, it's the victims' fault.

The victims and their descendants, however, cannot forget that these things happened, because they continue to live with the legacy of them every day. And white Americans should not delude themselves into thinking that they could or should have forgotten, either. Ask any Native American living on a reservation, or any descendant of Japanese camp internees, or any African American, whether they can forget these things.

Perhaps when young black men no longer face persistent job discrimination or lowered life expectancies, when racial residential segregation is no longer a persistent reality, when hate crimes are a distant memory, when our response to great national war-inducing traumas is no longer imbued with xenophobic hysteria -- perhaps when white Americans take actual steps beyond those four-decade-old baby steps to confront the legacy of their very real history of shameful behavior toward nonwhites, then perhaps we can ask for that forgetting.

Assuming that they should -- and indeed insisting that the fact that they haven't is proof that they "hate America" -- is simply childish. But then, that's what we've come to expect both of the American right and the American media.

These historical realities in fact were what provided the context of Wright's "God damn America" snippet. Here's the key passage from the sermon:

Where governments change, God does not change. God is the same yesterday, today and forever more. That’s what his name I Am means. He does not change.

God was against slavery on yesterday, and God, who does not change, is still against slavery today. God was a God of love yesterday, and God who does not change, is still a God of love today. God was a God of justice on yesterday, and God who does not change, is still a God of justice today. God does not change.

And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on the reservations.

When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps.

When it came to treating the citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains. The government put them on slave quarters. Put them on auction blocks. Put them in cotton fields. Put them in inferior schools. Put them in substandard housing. Put them in scientific experiments. Put them in the lowest paying jobs. Put them outside the equal protection of the law. Kept them out of the racist bastions of higher education, and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness.

The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three strike law and then wants us to sing God Bless America. Naw, naw, naw. Not God Bless America. God Damn America! That’s in the Bible. For killing innocent people. God Damn America for treating its citizens as less than human. God Damn America as long as she tries to act like she is God and she is Supreme.

What's obvious, in fact, is that the longtime right-wing "America, love it or leave it" style of patriotism has become part of the media's standard narrative in the post-9/11 world. I think Al Franken had it right:

If you listen to a lot of conservatives, they'll tell you that the difference between them and us is that conservatives love America and liberals hate America.... They don't get it. We love America just as much as they do. But in a different Way. You see, they love America the way a 4-year-old loves her Mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups.

To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad, and helping your loved one grow. Love takes attention and work and is the best thing in the world.

In the new media universe, Mommy America would never ever hurt those poor black people. And if maybe she did once upon a time, well, she made up for it a long time ago and now things are all better. Bringing up evidence to the contrary just means you hate Mommy.

Which might explain why people like Wright get all contemptuous on their asses.


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obama is part of the scandal
Posted by: e rice on Apr 30, 2008 9:46 AM   
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when wright was first attacked, did obama behave like an ethical person and point out the dishonesty, bigotry, ignorance and manipulative malice of the attack?

did he defned the right of any american to express his opinions? did he point out that wright had listed injustices that affected not only black people, but indians and loyal americans of japanese descent?

no, obama publicly repudiated the man he had listened to for 20 years.

did this unethical, self-serving behavior give his supporters even one moment of worry?

obama is like reagan in one respect--they're both teflon coated.

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» RE: Thanks Kaptain... Posted by: jimidee
Is anyone surprised
Posted by: pdxlinuxchix on Apr 30, 2008 9:53 AM   
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Look, the conservative take on US history, at least vis a vis non-whites, goes something like this:

Puritans arrive in America and, within a century, begin 'winning the West'. The fact that there were already people there was inconvenient. The fact that those people had to be removed is best left unspoken.

Black Africans are brought to America as slaves. This was wrong, of course, in retrospect but nothing to be too upset about today. And at any rate, it was black Africans selling other black Africans into slavery so that makes it really okay, doesn't it? At any rate, the less said about this the better.

The Civil War happens. Slavery is ended and everything becomes perfectly fine in America, equality is achieved.

WW II happens. Some Japanese -Americans are declared the 1940's version of enemy combatants and interred. This was a good thing even though these Americans were, well, Americans but they weren't the 'right' kind of Americans and so that was okay.

For no adequately explored reason, starting sometime in the 1940's, blacks start complaining and they haven't stopped sense. At any rate, in the 1950's some woman named Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on a bus (when she should have known her place*) and then some guy named Martin Luther King Jr. gave some speeches and staged some marches (which was troublemaking*) and now everything is even MORE okay than it was after the Civil War.

(* denotes places where conservatives were against equality before they were for equality. Never forget, William F. Buckley Jr. thought that white segregationists had the right argument back in the 60's.)

Cheers

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I find it absolutely amazing
Posted by: Quannah on Apr 30, 2008 9:59 AM   
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that in the US today, and due to the Rev. Wright "controversy," how many people are ignorant of the facts.

It's only white Americans who are shocked at the fact that racism still exists. Their wishful thinking is that racism is something that happened a long time ago, and that people of color should "put it behind them" and just move on -- as if it isn't happening right now.

There is no reason under the sun that Americans can't have an intelligent national discussion about race in this country. What is stopping it is this naive (or ignorant) notion that because white people think racism doesn't exist, it doesn't exist. But I know one thing - it should not be up to white people to determine if racism exists or not! Plain and simple. Unless you live the horror of racism, you aren't qualified to dismiss it as "nonsense."

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» RE: I find it absolutely amazing Posted by: chiefwanadubie
Divide and Conquer is
Posted by: Floresta on Apr 30, 2008 10:10 AM   
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alive and well, as usual. Bring up the issue of class in this nation and you can bet that your point of view will be quickly quashed.
Rev. Wright has rightly pointed out the horrors of the past haunting the present.

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if you're not "whitebread" Amerika...
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Apr 30, 2008 10:36 AM   
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the ONLY thing you ever hear if you discuss North & Latin America politics or US foreign/domestic policies?

"F*ck off!! Go back where you came from, ya FURRINNER!!"

nuff said, there...

presumably, telling the TRUTH is simply RUDE
...to a Nation used to ignoring to its own farts & waiving the Bomb.

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revbusnana
Posted by: revbusnana on Apr 30, 2008 10:47 AM   
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I am a white woman working in 95% black school system, and I have been attacked at work, on the job over three times, not only has nothing been done about it but, I have had to hire an attorney until my pay was cut so I could not afford her any more and the EEOC in still investigating, however, the black mediator, made the comment, let us the decision makers go decide this case, my attorney, the city attorney, the director of HR, and the mediator, all black. I feel white people have no rights, and I for one owe no man an apology for slavery, i was not born and did not cause, nor promote it.I need an attorney who is not afraid to sue for my rights!!! revbusnana@juno.com

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Its not surprising
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Apr 30, 2008 10:54 AM   
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I shouldn't be surprised, but I am disappointed.
Lest we forget - those that do not remember
history are doomed to repeat it. I would like
to know why is it that Jewish people continue to
talk about the holocaust as though it were
yesterday and I have yet to hear anyone in the
media or newspapers say to them get over it, we
don't want to hear it anymore. So please allow
me to point out the holocaust African Americans
are living with - Sean Bell killed in a hail of
50 bullets (he was unarmed), Amadou Diallo
killed in a hail of 47 bullets (while going for
his wallet- his english wasn't good), James
Byrd dragged behind a truck & beheaded, Jena,
La. 6 teenagers jailed for responding to a very
real noose hung on a "white folk only" tree,
this is happening all of the time and we don't
hear about everything. I'd like to ask all of
the people that are saying we need to move on if
this were happening to your family how quickly
you would move on, get over it.

talking if it were

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» RE: Its not surprising Posted by: Berit
» RE: Its not surprising Posted by: samd11
» RE: Its not surprising Posted by: Dianka
Meh--stupid, ignorant "White's Only" sign mentality breeds stupid, ignorant "Whites Only" sign...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Apr 30, 2008 11:09 AM   
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...mentality.

The victims and their descendants, however, cannot forget that these things happened, because they continue to live with the legacy of them every day. And white Americans should not delude themselves into thinking that they could or should have forgotten, either.

A clue for ignorant pigment-centric activists: please do us all a favor and ask your local Appalachian farmer in what amount his "White Privilege" check was in. Don't be surprised if you get greeted by buckshot for asking such a stupid question outside your inbred online forum.

Idiots who are too ignorant and afraid to abandon their stupid pigmentation to pressure our elected officials to "raise all our ships with the tide" are the problem.

Yes, that includes KKK'rs, and yes, that includes ANY LIKEWISE ignorant, racist idiots who long for a "greater fairness" for "their people".

Man, screw you skin-color uber-alles idiots. We're in this together, after you wake up and buy a clue.

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A politician's gotta say what he's gotta say....
Posted by: ohb0b on Apr 30, 2008 11:16 AM   
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And a preacher's gotta say what he's gotta say.

Reverend Wright's namesake, the prophet Jeremiah was tossed into prison because the king of Israel didn't like what he was saying.

A preacher's gotta say what he's gotta say, even if folks don't like hearing it.

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People Power Granny
Posted by: peoplepowergranny on Apr 30, 2008 11:18 AM   
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I agree wholeheartedly with the opinion above. As a matter of fact, I wrote that America needs to repent of its social sins before we can get the country on the right track again. Check it out at peoplepowergranny.blogspot.com and vote in my poll as to whether you agree or disagree with Rev. Wright.

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WHEN DOES OUR PAST BECOME HISTORY
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Apr 30, 2008 2:06 PM   
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History is important. But we can't continue to drag up old stuff to make us feel guilty. We do that at our peril and it keeps us from facing today's problems. We have a White House and Pentagon filled will common criminals and should not be spending time on what can't be changed. That's why it's call history. Slavery was wrong, so we outlawed it. How will Iraq be seen in 2 or 3 generatons? Will anyone care about Rev. Wright? I doubt it. Thanks, ANNA

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Americans demean themselves
Posted by: pangolin on May 1, 2008 2:49 AM   
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When Reverend Wright speaks up for justice and is condemned on the MSM you know that they stand for opression. You didn't see these fools go into a week long tizzy when Bush announced that he approved of torture in violation of the Constitution and the Law of the land.

There is no justice in America and Obama would be right to lie to us to gain the presidency. McCain and sHillary are most certainly lieing every day of the week.

Next time you're standing at the gas pump waiting to hand over a days wages remember that everybody but Obama voted for the war that drove those gas prices up. Sow the wind with injustice and reap the whirlwind. This is coming home in more ways than one.

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Wright is another hemorrhoid
Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on May 1, 2008 9:31 AM   
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If your spouse talks to you like this screaming idiot, does it make you "want" to see/understand his/her side?

Hell no. It just drives you farther apart.
I don't have time for this assclown and those like him.
I DO have a lot of time for those who do not act like this.

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Obama the man reveals nothin'
Posted by: alternetrose on May 1, 2008 3:17 PM   
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Obama the man reveals nothing of a substance which might tell us who he is, save for his careful consideration of AIPAC's agenda and protecting Israel. The dilemma he's having with Rev. Wright is that it is tough for Obama to "feel the pain." After all, he is only partially a product of the black race, but he is fully engaged in the political race.

May I ask, which candidate gives you hope that America will be in good hands? Personally, I don't think much can or will change when one or the other of them occupies the office of president in 2009. Congress, DOJ, and a long list of other agencies are corrupt. Which candidate do you see changing any of this?

Our two-party system, and now, since the '80's, the inclusion of "Super" delegates, leaves our government and elections out of control, and out of touch with the majority of Americans. Middle America's dreams are left out of consideration. The poor are left in the dust of Katrina, and our children's lives are exchanged for power and oil. I think it's high time to support the anti-establishment!

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stand together, or fall apart
Posted by: chiefwanadubie on May 2, 2008 7:57 AM   
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racism, is not just a black and white issue, the ruling class may be white, but not all whites are of the ruling class!!! the ruling class is the moral majority/ the church of England, with the agenda, of enslaving all minorities,from africans to zoo hippies!!! Either we all unite against the privilege class/slave class principles of our treasonists government, or all fall together!!!

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