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Reporters Get a Closer Look at the Wright Stuff

Posted by Steve Benen, The Carpetbagger Report at 1:52 PM on April 28, 2008.


The media just won't let the Rev. Wright scandal die. Then again, he's not exactly maintaining a low profile.
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The Rev. Jeremiah Wright has been steadily increasing his public profile of late, and it’s not hard to understand why. The pastor has become Public Enemy #1 in some circles, and some of his more notorious sermons from his Trinity United Church of Christ pulpit in Chicago have become such a fixture of the media’s coverage of the campaign, Wright was bound to want to mount some kind of public defense.

So, when Wright stopped by the NAACP and National Press Club this morning, the interest was so high, you’d think Wright was himself a presidential hopeful, instead of the former pastor of a leading candidate.

Did he help his case? It’s hard to say for sure, but he probably didn’t do the Obama campaign any favors.

Sen. Barack Obama’s former pastor today defended the fiery sermons that have become a political liability for the Democratic presidential contender, charging that a furor over his remarks represents an “attack on the black church.” […]

Asked whether he believes that “America is still damned in the eyes of God,” Wright was unapologetic about his sermon. He recalled that he told Obama last year, “If you get elected, November the 5th I’m coming after you, because you’ll be representing a government whose policies grind under people.”

Wright continued: “It’s about policy, not the American people. . . . God doesn’t bless everything. God condemns something. . . . God damns some practices. And there is no excuse for the things that the government, not the American people, have done. That doesn’t make me not like America, or unpatriotic.”

At this point, I suspect Obama almost wishes Wright wouldn’t wait to “come after” him — if Wright attacked Obama, it might help his campaign.

Noting Wright’s comments this morning, Joe Klein noted, “Wright’s purpose now seems quite clear: to aggrandize himself — the guy is going to be a go-to mainstream media source for racial extremist spew, the next iteration of Al Sharpton — and destroy Barack Obama.”

Maybe, but that may not be the whole story, either.

To be sure, if the Obama campaign were responsible for Wright’s schedule between now and November, my hunch is the senator’s aides would find a nice, remote location where Wright would have no access to microphones or cameras. Or electricity.

Indeed, at one point today, Wright seemed to argue that Obama’s efforts to distance himself from his former pastor were politically motivated and less than sincere.

On the other hand, Christopher Beam makes the argument that Wright’s media push might actually help Obama.

Right now, Wright is defined as that guy you saw in that YouTube clip or looped on MSNBC. Naturally, it’s always his most heated remarks that get repeated. The more people see Wright in other contexts … the less they’ll associate him with those initial images. It doesn’t hurt that when he tries, Wright can be charm itself. […]

Wright may not be a politician, but he has a politician’s quickness — a quality that makes him remarkably entertaining to watch. When he was asked at today’s event how he feels about being an American, he diffused notions that he’s unpatriotic: “I served six years in the military,” he said. “How many years did Cheney serve?” When the moderator asked him to respond to Chris Rock’s joke that Wright is a “75-year-old black man who doesn’t like white people — is there any other kind of 75-year-old black man?” Wright had the perfect retort: “That’s just like the media. I’m not 75.” (He’s 66.) It’s moments like these that could right Wright. […]

The furor over Wright so far is nothing compared with what Republicans will drum up in the fall. John McCain announced yesterday that despite hinting that he’d leave the Wright issue alone — he asked the North Carolina GOP not to air an ad denouncing Obama and Wright — he now thinks Wright is fair game. So much for the civility race. Given that, it’s better for Wright to fight back and soften his image now than to allow his current image to calcify over the next six months. If he can go from Obama’s crazy minister to Obama’s controversial but thoughtful and witty minister, that will be a huge step in pre-empting the GOP onslaught.

Perhaps. But I’m still quite confident the Obama campaign, if given a choice, would have much preferred silence to an attempted charm offensive.

Ultimately, though, I’m still not entirely sure why Wright is the dominant story of the presidential campaign. No serious person believes that Obama agrees with Wright’s most inflammatory remarks. Over a month ago, even John McCain was saying the right things — when Sean Hannity noted the questions about Obama’s former pastor, he asked, “Would you go to a church like that?” McCain responded, “Obviously, that would not be my choice. But I do know Sen. Obama. He does not share those views.” (McCain is apparently less sure now.)

As Ezra concluded a while back, “[I]f no one believes that Obama agrees with them, then they’re just the views of some dude who knows Obama, and talks to him about spirituality. The controversy rests on everyone’s ability to treat it as something no one seems to believe it is.”


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Soft racism
Posted by: xconservative on Apr 28, 2008 2:34 PM   
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Comments like Joe Klein's represent a form of "soft racism" that is becoming more commonplace (more acceptable, perhaps?), particularly in the media. Pundits can attack Wright based on a few out-of-context sermon snippets, question his patriotism and even call him a racist, and few in the media call them on it. "Rev. Wright" has been unblinkingly accepted as almost a synonym for "extremist" among the unthinking pundit class. Is this just another example of the mainstream media following a right-wing "frame" like lemmings?

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» RE: Soft Denial Posted by: bessie
» RE: Soft Denial Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Soft racism Posted by: Vik
Willful Ignorance
Posted by: ceti on Apr 28, 2008 3:17 PM   
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Joe Klein, and the Carpetbagger by extension demonstrates exactly the kind of willful ignorance that Wright is decrying in the corporate media. This very same cherry picking would be laughable if it hadn't led us into the foreign policy debacle of Iraq, and the death and suffering of millions.

The previous commenter is right. "Soft" racism, or the treachery of "moderates" that Martin Luther King decried is often worse than the outright racism of FOX News which it aids and abets.

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» RE: Willful Ignorance Posted by: Lauren
Wright falls into the same trap as the right wing media...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Apr 28, 2008 3:19 PM   
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...in believing he should be an "issue".

Pastors yell, berate, moan, and chastise society as a rule.

To me, Obama seems a very credible candidate, with or without his albatross-apparent pastor. I give two hoots in hell what an activist preacher thinks, whether on the topic of evolution, or on the topic of his cause for the advancement of melanin in society. We should strive to advance knowledge in general, and our nation's people in bulk, not by tones.

Again, I ask...who is this joker, and why is he so convinced he matters? Too much talk-radio affected his thinking?

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» So you know nothing about the guy, Posted by: xconservative
» Ignorance? Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: Ignorance? Posted by: bessie
» RE: Ignorance? Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Ignorance? Posted by: Quannah
» Are you... Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: Are you... Posted by: Quannah
» Obliging you. Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: Obliging you. Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Obliging you. Posted by: Quannah
» RE: radical ideology Posted by: jimidee
» 'Nothing' to apologize for? Posted by: YogiBear
More of the same from MSM concerning Rev. Wright
Posted by: Quannah on Apr 28, 2008 3:57 PM   
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It's ludicrous. He's been visciously attacked by the media, by Clinton, by McStain, and he's somehow supposed to keep quiet and go away? What a ridiculous notion! I guess now the media decides who gets First Amendment protection... besides them.

I heard Rev. Wright's address to the NAACP this weekend and he presented a brutally honest and candid assessment of race in this country today. Same for his interview with Bill Moyers on Friday night. Therein lies the "problem." Some people, especially white media elite pundits, can't handle the unbridled truth that Rev. Wright spoke. They are beside themselves. I saw Chris Matthews earlier, and I seriously thought his head would explode on camera over this! The attacks will commence forthwith!

This media-frenzy is so crazy, so out of line, so predictable. I bet 90% of them didn't bother listening to either presentation over the weekend, and didn't hear him today at the National Press Club (which he was invited to attend, by the way). Their own racism is showing. And the media will refuse to let this issue go.

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The sound bite is notorious not the sermon
Posted by: Vic on Apr 28, 2008 4:48 PM   
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"... and some of his more notorious sermons...have become such a fixture of the media’s coverage of the campaign...."

Wrong! If people actually listened to the full sermons they might learn something. It is the sound bites that are notorious and snipping them out of their context is deliberate. In the same way, O'Reilly jumps all over Moyers before he has even watched the interview with Wright. This is premeditated propaganda, nothing less.

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He Told Bill Moyers
Posted by: desidid on Apr 28, 2008 5:00 PM   
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that he, another pastor, and the church itself have been threatened. I don't hear the media asking about that, in fact they are only inflamming the ignorant people who burn churches because of who attends them. I also don't understand why these tv personalities don't get that Rev. Wright has EVERY RIGHT to define and defend who he is. The man is 70 years old and, has done far more to protect the rights of those who would deny him his. The only thing Rev. Wright does is give those who don't want to vote for a Black person in the first place a reason.

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» RE: He Told Bill Moyers Posted by: Lauren
Where is this coming from?
Posted by: mwildfire on Apr 28, 2008 5:15 PM   
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Okay, I didn't watch the whole speech...but my take on it was that CNN probably regretted their long live coverage, because he came across as moderate, even a touch boring. I suppose he does create a problem for Obama, because the path to the presidency necessitates a fair amount of lying, and Wright stands up there and tells the truth, and him a black man! Can't have that. And Obama keeps making that mistake too on a lesser scale, for example stating today that revoking the gas tax for the summer was not a sensible policy and reduced consumption is the only path to lower gas prices, instead of pandering like McCain and Clinton.

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WaPo just delivered another soundbite hit piece, now it is being repeated
Posted by: Rune on Apr 28, 2008 5:20 PM   
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Today's Washington Post article, quoted at the beginning of the above blog entry, just stuck to the same old soundbites while pretending to be giving Wright a chance to clarify himself. Wright never said that God had or should "damn America." Taken in context of the full sermon, his point was that, according to the Bible, the pattern of military adventurism undertaken by the U.S. without regard to to pain and death it inflicts on innocent people is not the sort of thing that God would bless (as many pro-military adventurism voices at home seem to suggest), it is the sort of thing that God condemns (damns) in several biblical stories. Asking Wright if he still believes that God damn America is no better than asking if he has stopped beating his wife. Both questions or based on logical fallacies intended to wrongly accuse someone of a misdeed that never existed in the first place.

Taken in context, as was possible during Bill Moyer's interview with Wright this past weekend, Wright makes it very clear that he is a level headed, compassionate champion of peace who has told it like it is when it comes to the folly and consequences of shooting and bombing our way toward security and stability in the world. He deserves a lot of credit to have pointed this out to his congregation a few days after 9/11 and urging them to remain calm and open hearted even though there was a tremendous effort to whip them into the same frenzy that got the rest of the country started down an abysmal war path.

Shame on the Washington Post for endeavoring to further the unjust attacks on this very wise and distinguished man. Shame on others in the media and blogosphere that continue to parrot the WaPo spin instead of taking ten minutes to get the straight story as told in Wright's own words.

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Punditry vs. Reason
Posted by: WaldoMaui on Apr 28, 2008 5:53 PM   
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From the next to the last paragraph: "No serious person believes that Obama agrees with Wright’s most inflammatory remarks."

This is the key sentence. A "serious person" thinks for himself. A "serious person" accesses news from various sources and interprets it for himself. It remains to be seen what percentage of the American voting public will prove to be "serious persons."

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» RE: Punditry vs. Reason Posted by: xconservative
» RE: Punditry vs. Reason Posted by: Julian
What is the problem? He makes good sense.
Posted by: Iraan Ozono on Apr 28, 2008 6:49 PM   
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I just watched Rev. Wright's presentation at the National Press Club on C-Span, and I really don't understand what all of the fuss is about. The questions he was asked tended to have the same bigoted, small scope based on such explosive but poorly defined, nebulous concepts as "patriotism" and "love of country" that easily crumple under any intelligent scrutiny. Almost all had the undertone of intolerance for any criticism of the ideas, policies and actions that have brought our nation to where it now is.. the assumption being that Americans are forces only by and for good. The government doesn't lie, "honor" and "truth" and "God's Will" are the driving forces behind our history. Ha! One reading of A Peoples History of The U.S., one good look back, one look around, one good listen can destroy such arrogance in an instant, yet many citizens and journalists continue to maintain that blindness. His stance was one of unmyopic realism about politics and personalities, flavored with the [overly optimistic, in my view] stance of his religious beliefs. Every statement was made with religious tolerance, and forgiveness was a recurring theme. Whether he is seeking greater exposure or fame is not the point, but the deviousness and hypocrisy of his critics was made clear

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Prophetic ministry
Posted by: racje on Apr 28, 2008 6:54 PM   
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I hope that more Americans will have a chance to see

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Prophetic ministry
Posted by: racje on Apr 28, 2008 7:00 PM   
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I hope that more Americans will have a chance to seeWright's much-sound-bitten sermon in context at href="?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw.

"Pastors yell, berate, moan, and chastise society as a rule." ABetterFuture said that, and it is true in many churches, but why? Because preachers read the Bible. The Hebrew Bible records the voices of many prophets, including Wright's namesake Jeremiah, who pointed out the horrors of injustice and oppression and thundered threats on the societies (historic Israel, Egypt, Babylon, and other powers) that ground the faces of the poor into dust, cheated widows and orphans, and set themselves up as gods. Even gentle, loving Jesus took out a whip to overturn the dirty traders who had invaded the holy temple.

Americans who idolize the nation may not like it, but Wright's working in a long prophetic stream, expecting God's judgment for killing innocent people, treating citizens as less than human, and acting like a nation-state is God.

Wright also has a lot to say about God's unending and unconditional love. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zP9WLRhrzY&feature=related
and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqphQcOUI4A&feature=related .

Wright isn't a perfect man. But he deserves to be seen whole and in context.

I wouldn't want Jeremiah Wright to be my president, and he isn't running for that job. His role is to keep reminding the powerful (including Obama if he's elected) of their obligations to the dispossessed.

Obama isn't a prophet; he's a leader, a uniter, an inspirer, a dreamer and an implementer. He'd make a good President.

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Bad Timing
Posted by: bessie on Apr 28, 2008 8:13 PM   
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At this time, when Obama is so close to being nominated, and right before the Indiana primary, it is curious that Rev. Wright would find it necessary to wage a media blitz. Why now? Obama's message is one based on overcoming racial divides. Rev. Wright seems to suggest that this is some kind of fakery when he states that Obama is just a 'politician', just saying things that politician's do. Rev. Wright's press conference,especially the Q&A, was disturbing with his posturing high-5s, mocking tones, and flip attitude. Last time I checked being President gave voice to power. Rev. Wright should know this quite well after the last 7 years. What a shame and what disloyalty that the Rev. couldn't set his ego aside for the sake of our country. How sane is it to think that selling a few books is somehow more important than winning the White House?

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The comments in the media don't need to be racist
Posted by: Spot on Apr 28, 2008 11:12 PM   
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The comments in the media don't need to be racist to evoke racist sentiments in the voting public. I'm visiting my grandmother in small-town Iowa this week, and I've been shocked by how a woman who has raised five liberal children can be so unconsciously racist. She says there's nothing wrong with blacks running for president, and that she would vote for one if they ran, but she finds Rev. Wright to be an unacceptably outrageous (and representative) example of the "black church".
While those of you who are educated, might be black, or 'have black friends' surely know, and as Wright said today, black americans belong to a variety of churches and religious groups and that no single pastor or imam or monk can speak for all.
What stunned me, however, is not that this small-town 86-year old woman thinks of black people as a single group (after all, they didn't have any in their town until 2003), but that she thinks they are less intelligent than whites because of how she perceives their church. she imagines the events quite similar to the climax of "sister act", with the congregation standing up and cheering and clapping their hands and raising them to the sky. My grandmother prefers a quiet, subdued service, and thinks that to be evidence of her superiority.

Americans are a diverse lot. No two of us are exactly alike. We have different personalities, shapes, colors, dreams. We believe these differences are VALUABLE to our culture. Our society is a collective treasure made of individual contributions; one to be celebrated, not jeered. It is for this great reason: to protect the things that make us individuals, that we need so badly the freedoms which We the People have earned through the blood of our ancestors and our continuous struggle against the forces of conformity and authority.

Protect every individual and his right to be himself!
Protect our Freedom of Speech
Protect our Freedom of Religion
Protect our Freedom to Assemble Peacefully

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» spot on! Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
Reagan's "Linkage"
Posted by: talkville on Apr 29, 2008 3:39 AM   
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It isn't surprising that the main emphasis and spin is overwhelmingly tilted toward the association of Obama's Campaign and Obama himself and Rev. Wright. Not surprising. Monday's cable fare was ubiquitous in "analysis" of the Rev. Wright's appearances on PBS, the NAACP, the National Press Club. And the vituperative descriptions of his "ego-mania", his "self-centeredness" etc abounded like weeds on an ill-kept lawn.

Interesting to compare the election cycles starting with the Reagan Presidency up until now and the attention or lack thereof given to interference and involvement of many Right-Wing Christian Fundamentalist churches, congregations, think-tanks, individuals, organizations in the political dynamics that have brought us to this sad and sorry state we find ourselves in. Where was the "analysis" then, ubiquitous and repetitive on all the cable news shows? If anything, the general treatment of those influences was gentle, tolerant, quietly encouraging and positive overall. That's regarding religions which, at their most radical, would like to replace constitutional government with rule by the literal interpretation and application of biblical social rule!! Only after King Bush II was safely esconced in the White House did criticisms and analyses begin to appear regarding the role of religion and "The Church" in our political processes and affairs. 'love God, hate Humans (especially secular ones) and don't spare the rod, or even the two-by four or worse' -- and "prosperity" is yours! mostly in Heaven, one can infer. For now work hard and take 2 or 3 jobs, accept the lowest of wages and just plain put up with what the Boss says.

And now, exemplified just about all day Monday, it takes only ONE representative of a "left", Social Justice oriented preacher, who speaks OUT in church and elsewhere about the conditions of that vast number of we 'lower ones' reaching the "Under-Class", and he becomes "Public Enemy Number One".

Set aside Obama's campaign; set aside the Rev Wright. What Monday represented was the utter shallowness, even ignorance, and smug and arrogant views of a pampered, comfy, 'middle-class' and above sector of a vast number of people in our society -- and their were "analysts" who were Black, although the majority were not.

I do not comment for purposes of raising Guilt or Shame or any other such objective. I merely make the comment for what it's worth.

"Look to Yourself for the Answer".

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» RE: eagan's "Linkage" Posted by: cef
WHERE"S THE RACISM?
Posted by: SEDGFLD on Apr 29, 2008 6:05 AM   
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This article perpetuates the same hysteria as the media whom the writer criticizes. It's unfortunate that articles are written without the degree of research that's demanded from most responsible journalism professors and even most high school teachers.
It's unfoltunate that telling the truth about the actions of certain PEOPLE who represent this country in official capacities is deemed to be racist and unpatriotic. We wrap ourselves up in a skewered sense of patriotism and end up defending those who are doing the real harm, while we condemn the people speaking the truth.
I still don't know what was racist and unpatriotic about what Rev. Wright said during the sermons the soundbites were taken from or from his speech at the NAACP gathering in Detroit or at the Natl. Press Club. I don't hear the non Black members of his White majority denomination or church calling him racist and they are the ones who know him best.
Americans need to stop acting like children whose feelings are hurt because someone told them the truth about somehing they didn't want to hear.

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Do These People...
Posted by: Wacre on Apr 29, 2008 8:29 AM   
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even listen to themselves? Here's a paragraph from TIme.com:

"As soon as the questions began, Wright transformed into a defiant, derisive figure, snapping one-liners at the unfortunate moderator tasked with reading the questions and stepping back with a grin on his face after each one, clearly enjoying himself."

I bold-faced the word 'defiant' because its use seems to imply that this man is somehow a child, that he is being contrary for disagreeing with someone else's interpretation of what America is, as opposed to his own experience.

I personally find nothing anti-American in the words of Reverend Wright that I have heard (he perhaps could word things differently, but that doesn't change the truth–and frankly the obviousness–of many things that I have heard him say) and am glad that there is a person of color out there saying them.

And as for the question of AIDS and the African-American community, keep in mind that this is the same country that almost wiped out the native population of this country, allowed syphilis to go untreated among its African-American citizens as an experiment to its effects, as well as imprisoned Asian-American citizens during a time a war.

When you look at it that way–rightly or wrongly–is the spreading/creation of AIDS among the African-American community really that great a leap?

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Why can't Obama get his story (W)right?
Posted by: gabbyone on Apr 29, 2008 9:16 AM   
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It would help Obama on the Wright issue if he
could just pick one story and stick with it.
In 2004 during his U.S. Senate run — Obama couldn’t get close enough to Rev. Wright and his church.

From the Chicago Sun-Times, April 5, 2004:

These days, he says, he attends the 11 a.m. Sunday service at Trinity in the Brainerd neighborhood every week — or at least as many weeks as he is able. His pastor, Wright, has become a close confidant.

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What is the problem?
Posted by: Dianka on Apr 29, 2008 10:35 AM   
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Rev. Wright is a minister, and his job to is teach, via sermons based on the Bible. From cover to cover, the Bible gives examples of nations being destroyed (i.e., damned) for opposing God by making laws/policies that directly contradict the Word of God as given to us through via the Bible.

Consider what we, as a nation, are doing in Iraq right now. Tens of thousands (including Americans) have been slaughtered (and there's no end in sight) to (maybe) avenge the killing of the 4,000 people at the WTC. Retribution was to be expected, but not the ongoing genocide of innocent people. God commands us to be peace makers, and as a nation, we chose the opposite route.

Or look at our domestic policies. From start to end, the Bible reminds us that it is our responsibility, as people, to aid the poor.
We chose instead to aid the rich at the expense of the poor. (After all, the rich might reward us, the poor can't.) We ended aid for our poor to use those tax dollars to pay the tax bills of the richest (welfare "reform" to cover the costs of tax relief for the upper 3%). These policies are in blatant opposition to Christ's teachings.

Just two examples here, but on issue after issue, we've embraced policies that are in direct opposition to Biblical teachings. For believers, to do the opposite of what God commands is to serve Satan/evil. To serve Satan is to be damned.

Our national character is like the toddler caught with his hand in the cookie jar. We are refuse to admit any wrong-doing, and accuse those who caught us as being the bad guys. We are furious that Rev. Wright caught us with our hands in the cookie jar.

But if you believe the Bible is the Word of God, you have to concede that yes, we as a nation are deliberately opposing God's Law, and the Bible does say that the result is damnation.

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CORPORATE MEDIA ARE SWIFT BOATING OBAMA
Posted by: hadashito on Apr 29, 2008 10:46 AM   
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The invitation by the National Press Club to Reverend Wright to speak at their annual meeting was no innocent attempt to have him "explain himself", but the continuance of an electoral campaign by the corporate media of deliberate ploys to distract and diminish the Obama campaign. They certainly knew of the Reverend's "controversial" views (which they themselves trumpeted as "controversial") and now are reviving the furor they have created in the first place and will now amplify further on TV, in the newspapers, on radio, and even on the "liberal" websites like salon.com that have taken the bait. Their plan is all too transparent - - just as was their Press Club's lame excuse for inviting Wright to appear at their Obama Swift Boating event. Given the failing fortunes of the corporate media, this election represents high stakes for them; they badly need a continued Cheney/Bush neocon White House to help save their corporate hides, so McCain is their man ! Therefore, Obama has , and has had all along, THREE opponents: the faltering Clinton campaign, Senator McCain's pseudo-maverick, hapless, flip-flopping, pandering ignoramous campaign, and the slippery, malevolent, unscrupulous, and perfidious corporate media. They will try their best to Swift Boat Obama and elimintae him, then do an Al Gore on Hillary, so that their boy McCain will win the White House. Karl Rove could do no worse, although we may be sure he and his neocons also have their insidious gutter-trickery plans for the Democtrats ih the coming months.

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VENGEANCE IS MINE . . .
Posted by: fg on Apr 29, 2008 11:11 AM   
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The Rev. Wright, by the way, isn't the first American who has wondered whether God is punishing (and will continue to punish) America for her transgressions.

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if more preachers were like Wright ...
Posted by: batteredup on Apr 29, 2008 11:20 AM   
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If more preachers were like Rev. Wright, I might not be so firmly agnostic. Generally speaking, White preachers have no guts nor any insight into politics, yet they do their yankee-doodle-dandy damndest to support un-Christian tenets like war and it's by-product of mass murder without even weighing the issues, the repercussions to "god's children" who are too often of other-than-whitey colors. That's one of the main reasons I NEVER take my lily-white ass to the local house of hypocrisy. God Damn America and all the jingoistic plastic preachers who support and perpetuate stupidity amongst their unthinking flock of lemmings.

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nvannes
Posted by: nvannes on Apr 29, 2008 11:25 AM   
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I don't understand what the big deal is over Rev. Wright. That he said "Goddamn America?" So what? Any true believer in a good, omnipotent God would understand that He (God)would condemn many of the positions our government has held over the years, not least of which has been its defense of slavery or segregation. How about our position on collateral damage, you know, it's OK if an innocent family gets wiped out from one of our errant smart bombs if our intention was to kill a supposed enemy. How about the fact that we invent and supply 85% of the weapons used around the world today? How about that we not only invented the most destructive weapon known to man but that we are the only nation to have actually used it, not once but TWICE on two separate CITIES, civilian populations, not military holdouts? How about it's OK for us to develop an arsenal of nuclear weapons to act as a deterrent against our enemies that would give us peace of mind and security and prestige but if another sovereign nation, an "enemy" of ours, would want to develop the same thing for exactly the same reason, for its own peace and security and prestige, we would invade that nation on the logic and moral ground that what is right for us is not right for someone else? Would God NOT condemn these things? "Do unto others?" I don't get it. Are we so in love with this country that we are blind to all of our mistakes of the past and present, that we cannot be critical of ourselves nor try to improve? How about the fact that we invaded a country 1/20th our size for false and illegal reasons, against the unanimous vote of the UN Security Council, and as a result killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, created a civil war and displaced and separated millions of families? Yes, our government is responsible for that; invading another country for control of its oil which we have become so desperately addicted to. The world looks down on us for that, not respects and admires us. And now we expect that the invaded country of Iraq should pay in billions of dollars for the chaos and mistakes in judgemnt that we, this great country, America, made? How about that we accuse Iran of interfering with our interfering in the Mid East? Would God condone that? There are plenty of things that are damn wrong with this country, that God would damn, if you want to believe in God, that need improvement, that need to be changed. Mainly, right now, this administration.

I've listened to Rev Wright and I'm a white guy and for the most part, even though I don't believe in a biblical, Santa Claus, fairy tale god, I agree with him. I say "Amen, bro." It's time we get off our high horse and stop encouraging these fake patriot politicians who have never been to war themselves but are responsible for so much of it around the world, who speak in sound bites and three word sentences: "America is great." "It's my country." "Love it or leave it." "My pin proves my devotion and patriotism." Get off your high horse and your shock and your awe that God would not have plenty of bad things to say about this country. Open your eyes and be honest not with just yourself but with the people you expect to vote for you. God would have plenty of reasons to condemn this country. It's up to us to keep that from happening any more than it has to.

I have found Rev Wright to be truthful, interesting, funny, knowledgeable, inspiring and helpful to our times. I think what he says makes a lot of sense and should be heard and those who take offense should re-exam his thoughts and their own. I think for Obama or any of us to distance themself from this man would be a mistake. We have all tried for too long to distance ourselves from the workings of a hardly perfect nation. It's time we faced up to our shortcomings and this notion that America, with all its good and greed, can do no wrong.

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» RE: bravo navannes Posted by: davidg
Seems Obama just threw Rev. Wright under the bus...
Posted by: Quannah on Apr 29, 2008 11:48 AM   
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He caved in to the pressure from the media over the past few days. He sold out. And Obama stated today that he did NOT hear Rev. Wright's address at the National Press Club yesterday, nor has he read the transcript of the speech. He said he "heard" that Rev. Wright had made inflammatory statements in his speech, and that he didn't agree with them. You'd think he could have at least watched the video of the speech before he made a public statement condemning it!

I just turned on MSNBC to see Andrea Mitchell and Chris Matthews absolutely giddy over this new development! They are beside themselves! Especially Matthews, who called for Obama to completely cut ties with Rev. Wright, yesterday on Hardball. So, for Matthews, I guess it is "Mission Accomplished."

Because of this development, I seriously question whether or not I can vote for Obama for president. I wonder if he has the judgement to be president.

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» RE: Aw come on... Posted by: jimidee
I'm an Old White Guy For Obama
Posted by: peacekeepertwo on Apr 29, 2008 12:01 PM   
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I wish Rev Wright would run for President, I Vote for him. He's only saying what most us in the liberal wing,have been thinking for years. maybe we can make him a write in Candidate, Give them hell, Rev Wright.

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God damn the preacher man
Posted by: solrev on Apr 29, 2008 12:04 PM   
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I really liked seeing Wright take on the pundits and media mouths and at the same time preach the gospel. One message that he put forth which has been said very few times in public, would have all the good Christians in an uproar except it passed them by. When asked if Christianity was the only way to the kingdom of God, he said, “Jesus said, that he had many sheep who are not of this flock”. When the name Trinity appears in your church name, it is pretty clear what he meant. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, is the Trinity in heaven. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, is the Trinity on earth. Now do you see why he embraces Jews and Muslims as the children of God? Who are called the children of God, the peacemakers? You will hear a lot more of this message as we approach the kingdom of God on earth as it is in heaven. Do not underestimate the power of the Trinity whether on earth or in heaven.

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Somebody's really scared of Barack Obama
Posted by: willymack on Apr 29, 2008 12:55 PM   
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Guess who?

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What did Obama Know, and When?
Posted by: riotoustanpdx on Apr 29, 2008 3:18 PM   
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This is the question now, just as it was during Watergate.

When in the past twenty years did Obama understand what Wright was about?

We seem to be missing what was said yesterday: Wright was hidden in the basement while Obama made his announcement speech.

Obama KNEW that Wright's views would be a liability BEFORE he made the announcement of candidacy.

Wright became the "former pastor" while being shunned in that basement?

Obama said today the Wright is not the same man he met "twenty years ago." But who is?

I Wright the same preacher than Obama knew the morning that he announced? Most likely yes, and this is the reason for the split at that last moment.

Obama PRAYED with Wright just before the announcement, but claims now that he had no affinity for the pastor's views, or did not know them?

That must be a disingenuous assertion. Why else would Obama leave the paster in the basement?

It comes down to Obama's knowledge of Wright's views up to the moment of announcing his candidacy; he knew Wright's views well enough to know they are a political liability.

To quote Emil Ismalon: "Tell me you your friends are and I'll tell you who you are."

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» RE: What did Obama Know, and When? Posted by: riotoustanpdx
THIS IS BULLSHIT!
Posted by: Quannah on Apr 29, 2008 4:57 PM   
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I want to know why I don't hear anyone in the media beating a drum for McCain to cut ties with that wacko, Pastor Hagee from San Antonio, who called the Catholic Church the Whore of Babylon, or who calls for nuking Iran, or who said we need to wipe out the Muslims who threaten Israel, and who just the other day said again that Hurricane Katrina was God's revenge on that city for having a Gay Pride Parade, and on and on and on and on...

Why is it the white absolute lunatic pastor gets away without the controversy???

This entire theatrical episode the media just won't let go of is absolutely disgraceful!

Rev. Wright has the right to whatever beliefs or feelings he wants to have (nevermind that he makes more sense than anybody I've heard lately when it comes to the topic of race in America!) and he has the right to say them in a sermon in his church, or on Bill Moyers program, or at the NAACP convention, or at the National Press Club! This is absolute nonsense!

He's being villified because he's speaking out after all the vicious attacks against him, and the media is shouting him down and telling him he should "shut up!" - he should "know his place!" - he should just forget everything and go home and stay there. It's all such bullshit. The media are guilty of character assassination.

Certain people said the same thing to Martin Luther King, to Malcolm X, to Medgar Evers, to all the civil rights leaders in the sixties, but - thankfully - they didn't do that. It's shameful. Absolutely shameful.

And this media circus surrounding Rev. Wright is proof (as if we needed any more) that racism is alive and well in America.

It's not a coincidence that yesterday they aquit 3 NYC policemen in the murder of Sean Bell, gunned down in a hail of 53 bullets for nothing.

It's not a coincidence that the Supreme Court yesterday upheld a ruling about the Indiana Voter ID law, which disenfranchises mostly poor, minority and elderly voters, who primarily vote for Democrats.

Racism abounds in this country, and all of its' insipid ugliness is coming out for the world to see.

I'm absolutely disgusted.

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» RE: THIS IS BULLSHIT! BINGO! Posted by: jimidee
» RE: Parsley Posted by: davidg
Can't support Obama
Posted by: Iraan Ozono on Apr 29, 2008 6:17 PM   
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B.O.'s latest, responses to the recent appearances of Rev. W. are just more proof of his cowardice when confronted with what I think (see my previous post above) to be some straight arrow talk, about both politics and religion. To deny that politicians talk out of whatever side of their mouth is facing their current audience is ludicrous, although he is certainly trapped into this stance by the fact that he is, Tada!!!... A politician. The longer this contest goes on, the more hopeless I feel about any potential for real Change (copyright B.O. 2007). Face it, even little bits of new knowledge and hints at culpability are too much for the "average" American, who really is in love with their distorted image of themselves and our country, right or, often wrong. BTW, I'm not a terrorist, just terrified.

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Wright in the Clinton White House
Posted by: bessie on Apr 29, 2008 6:55 PM   
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Pictures of Rev. Wright in the Clinton White House are all over the media. So now Rev. Wright speaks of being shunned by Obama. Is this true? I haven't heard anyone speak about this but Rev. Wright. If Obama was trying to hide Rev. Wright why would he mention him in his books? There's something else going on with this 'story' that we don't know yet.

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Vote for what?
Posted by: bessie on Apr 29, 2008 8:28 PM   
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Not to worry, Rev W. might deliver us all McCain. I don't know why people want to stew around about Rev W, who obviously is talking about stuff from 100-40 years ago, and presenting himself as a true distraction from our real problems today. Life is far from perfect but can't we unite towards some common goals? Obama represents a different vision. Rev W. in all of his senile glory has presented himself as a dividing symbol. Hopefully, voters can move beyond all of this.

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» RE: Vote for what? Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Vote for what? Posted by: jimidee
wantsamericaback
Posted by: wantsamericaback on May 2, 2008 3:37 AM   
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The reverend has a valid argument, at the absolute very least...it would have took a stand down order for "ANYTHING" of that magnitude to have took place

I do understand that the Bush Chenney show appear to be dumb, but this fiasco was there intention from the first day in office! ((invading Iraq), or every cabinet member that has resigned, and come clean are all full of shit, I don't think that many people could eat that much!

If you think that this administration isn't capable of at least that, then you probably think that all this business about a "new world order" is all made up too!

implosions are designed to fall in a contained area. I suspect that Osama planted all of the charges required for that as well. If it wasn't an inside assisted job, then maybe all the steel that constructed the three building's was faulty and melts to a molten level temperature, with fuel that isn't capable of reaching anywhere near that that temperature.

I'm sure that if they can't find a way to start WW3 before the end of the year, there will be another fixed election so they'll both promptly be pardoned for all there crimes against humanity!

I'm not a rocket scientist, but this isn't hard to figure out! and I'm sure not an Ostrich either, "you won't find my head in the sand"

"God bless America"

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I find it strangely amusing...
Posted by: Chimera55 on May 2, 2008 11:18 AM   
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Why is it we give this guy the time of day let alone a soap box? If his followers want to listen to him fine, but stop making him relevant by allowing him to keep saying the things we abhor on national TV. People are aghast at this man's words, but then ask him to spew them over and over and over again. I don't get that. He has a right to his own opinions and I don't have to agree with them.

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