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The Party Will Survive The Primary

Posted by dday, Hullabaloo at 7:05 AM on April 24, 2008.


Being divisive is overrated.
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Rachel Maddow basically just namechecked Atrios on MSNBC and called the race a series of Friedman Units, where pundits and media types say "the next primary will be over!" and then nothing happens. This was the ultimate inconclusive result, in Pennsylvania, 30-40 million to get a 10-point win with probably around ten delegates in Clinton's favor. The media has a real desire to keep this thing going and hype up the "this is it!" nature of the next primary, and then nothing happens. I'm with Matt Yglesias - this kind of has to end. There really isn't a whole lot more information that superdelegates are going to get. There's a saturation level that has been reached. We know the strengths and weaknesses of these candidates. We know what demographics they win against one another and what demos they lose. About half the Democrats in the country like Clinton and about half like Obama. She's from the Northeast and he's from the Midwest, and they get a tilt in their favor in each of those regions. He can't knock her out because she's really good at campaigning, and she was swamped by him early because he's really good at campaigning. The level of competition is far higher here than it will be in the fall against John McCain, actually. So the superdelegates can make their choice. They could make it today.

And I agree with Stoller, we're going to be fine. Democrats forced a runoff, and came within a hair's breadth of winning, in a seat in the middle of Mississippi (MS-01) tonight, an R+10 seat. The "Clinton/Obama voters will vote for McCain if their guy doesn't win" polling is about as relevant in the middle of a hotly contested primary as a national Paul-Richardson head-to-head (You might have noticed that Ron Paul got 16% of the vote in the GOP primary in PA tonight, and Huckabee 21% 11%. Does that mean core Republicans won't vote McCain? Uh, no). There were high numbers for disafffected McCain supporters voting for Gore over Bush in 2000. This is essentially a Parliamentary country among core party members, the kind who vote in primaries.

Obama lost the plot in the last several weeks, and Clinton capitalized with a faintly divisive, but strong campaign. Obama needs to get back on his feet in two favorable states. He has not lost a single state that shares a border with his home state of Illinois (Iowa, Wisconsin, Missouri). His speech tonight was pretty much a replay of his 2004 DNC keynote, and he's trying to return to the themes on which he won early. If he wins those two states it will be very significant. But the superdelegates need to come out from under the rocks where they're hiding and end this.

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EXACTLY . . .
Posted by: Scientz on Apr 24, 2008 7:28 AM   
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. . . pundits who are busy mulling over the death of the Democratic Party are speaking right out of their collective anuses.

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off...
Posted by: aogfc on Apr 24, 2008 7:44 AM   
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I have turned off the news since Tuesday as I am so sick of everyone repeating the Rep. talking point "why hasn't obama closed the deal?" brought about by Joe. Scar... and P. Buchanan.. why hasn't Hillary "closed the deal?" is there really a deal to close? or just two tied canidates that are going at it? What a joke..Obama has done more than anyone forsaw a year ago and now they are asking why isn't he good enough? please... it's a tight race.. period...

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» OMG! Posted by: foreverhope
» I can't take it anymore. . . Posted by: Prairie Waif
» closing the deal -- WTF?! Posted by: sui_generis
Get The Republicans out of our government..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Apr 24, 2008 8:34 AM   
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We have to untie against The Republicans in every race not just the Presidency..!

Who cares which lame jerk, two faced sell-out disappointment, corporate lackey butt kisser the Democrats nominate..?

This election should be about kicking the crap out of every Republican fascist plunderer liar thief traitor swine we get a chance to..!

If you want to hold hands and sing Kumbaya and make nice with these bastard Republicans like Obama does fine or be a Republican and in pants suit like Hillary well then what can we do we are stuck with these jerks..

The important thing it voting against every bastard swine Republican you can for President or dog catcher..

Get the Republicans out of our government or pay the consequences..America..!

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» Untie? Posted by: Scientz
» RE: Untie? Posted by: surfreality
The more the merrier
Posted by: hotdog on Apr 24, 2008 9:47 AM   
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These primaries are bringing in hundreds of thousands of new registrants. That alone is an immeasurably important reason for them to continue.

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» RE: The more the merrier Posted by: ohb0b
» RE: The more the merrier Posted by: repron
Say what?
Posted by: JimmyVaughan on Apr 24, 2008 10:05 AM   
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"If he wins those two states it will be very significant. But the superdelegates need to come out from under the rocks where they're hiding and end this."

Would you prefer a dictatorship?

Or, are you so desperate to see Obama win the nomination that you would truncate our democratic process?

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» umm, dude... Posted by: hurricane hugo
» Truncate? WTF? Posted by: Joshua Holland
Oh, good...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Apr 24, 2008 10:20 AM   
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Good to know that the party will be okay... nevermind the country. The party will be okay.

OF COURSE IT WILL! You think the single-two party system is going to let one of its two heads die? Of course not.

The Democratic party is parto f the problem.

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» RE: Entirely damn Posted by: boydranchitos
THE DEMONRATS AND THE REPUBLICONS ARE THE SAME PARTY.
Posted by: Nightstallion on Apr 25, 2008 6:08 AM   
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And here is the game they play in clear unabashed terms.

WAR IS A RACKET

by Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient


Major General Smedley D. Butler - USMC Retired
About the Author



CHAPTER ONE

WAR IS A RACKET

WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

In the World War [I] a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows.

How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench? How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dug-out? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets? How many of them parried a bayonet thrust of an enemy? How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?

Out of war nations acquire additional territory, if they are victorious. They just take it. This newly acquired territory promptly is exploited by the few – the selfsame few who wrung dollars out of blood in the war. The general public shoulders the bill.

And what is this bill?

This bill renders a horrible accounting. Newly placed gravestones. Mangled bodies. Shattered minds. Broken hearts and homes. Economic instability. Depression and all its attendant miseries. Back-breaking taxation for generations and generations.

For a great many years, as a soldier, I had a suspicion that war was a racket; not until I retired to civil life did I fully realize it. Now that I see the international war clouds gathering, as they are today, I must face it and speak out.

Again they are choosing sides. France and Russia met and agreed to stand side by side. Italy and Austria hurried to make a similar agreement. Poland and Germany cast sheep's eyes at each other, forgetting for the nonce [one unique occasion], their dispute over the Polish Corridor.

The assassination of King Alexander of Jugoslavia [Yugoslavia] complicated matters. Jugoslavia and Hungary, long bitter enemies, were almost at each other's throats. Italy was ready to jump in. But France was waiting. So was Czechoslovakia. All of them are looking ahead to war. Not the people – not those who fight and pay and die – only those who foment wars and remain safely at home to profit.

There are 40,000,000 men under arms in the world today, and our statesmen and diplomats have the temerity to say that war is not in the making.

Hell's bells! Are these 40,000,000 men being trained to be dancers?

Not in Italy, to be sure. Premier Mussolini knows what they are being trained for. He, at least, is frank enough to speak out. Only the other day, Il Duce in "International Conciliation," the publication of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said:
TO FIND OUT WHAT WAS SAID READ THE MAJOR GENERALS BOOK: WAR IS A RACKET!

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Surviving the primary
Posted by: willymack on Apr 25, 2008 11:33 AM   
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The democrats will still be around following the dirty and contentious primary marathon. There may even be a couple more debates before the winner takes on mcbush. If there are, I hope they're not like the last disgraceful farce, moderated by a Clinton shill and a knucklehead.

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» RE: Surviving the primary Posted by: desidid
And what a great use of money this has been
Posted by: westomoon on Apr 25, 2008 1:02 PM   
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The talk about who spent what in PA has got me thinking -- does anybody know how much has been spent on the Dem primary so far?

If there were a cap -- national or State-by-State -- on how much candidates could spend, do you think advertising dollars would be spent on the trivial and negative, like flag-pin and Rev-Wright ads?

Even just the PA expenditures we've heard about could go a long way toward ending starvation where it's happening, or toward instituting renewable energy in this country...

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