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Sanctimonious Monsters

Posted by PZ Myers, Pharyngula at 4:35 AM on April 22, 2008.


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Yesterday, two great pious leaders of the world met in Washington DC. President Bush has immense temporal power, leading one of the richest countries on the planet with the most potent military force. Pope Benedict is a spiritual leader to a billion people, with immense influence and the responsibility of a long religious legacy. What could they have talked about? Mostly, they seem to have patted each other on the back and congratulated each other on their commitment to superstition.

In remarks greeting the pope at the White House, Bush called the United States "a nation of prayer."

Bush was interrupted by applause as he said, "In a world where some treat life as something to be debased and discarded, we need your message that all human life is sacred and that each of us is willed."

Benedict responded by praising the role of religion in the United States.

"From the dawn of the republic, America's quest for freedom has been guided by the conviction that the principles governing political and social life are intimately linked to a moral order based on the dominion of God the creator," he said.

I am often told that religion is a source of morality. I've read the Bible myself; I can see that there were moral philosophers at work behind that book, that we have a tradition of law in the Old Testament, with a fellow named Jesus adding social justice and concern for the poor and weak in the New that are actually rather commendable. I also see a lot of myth and error and misplaced obsession with the supernatural that rational people are willing to set aside to focus on the core humanitarian message … or at least they do so in the best of circumstances.

Yet what I also see in modern religion is a re-prioritizing: the secular concerns that should matter, the egalitarian word of a religious tradition that valued the cohesion of the social fabric and demanded equal treatment for even the least of society is ignored, given a little lip service perhaps, but made subservient to the intangible theological nonsense of prayer, of an invisible god, of submission to dogma and hope in an unevidenced afterlife. It's a religion that has shifted its eyes from a task to be done here on earth to an unearthly vision of a magical unseen world run by an ethereal tyrant who must be placated.

Bush calls us a nation of prayer — a depressing label that makes us a country of delusions. Worse, he claims that we respect life as sacred, a lie straight from his lips. How can George Bush claim our country does not debase and discard human lives?

As you well informed blog readers all know by now, last week ABC broke an interesting little story. It was about how Condi Rice, Dick Cheney, Alberto Gonzales, Colin Powell, George Tenent, John Ashcroft and other Bush "Principals" all gathered in regular meetings in the White House to discuss and approve of the various torture methods being used against prisoners held by the United States in the War On Terror. ABC interviewed the president a couple of days later and asked him if he was aware of these meetings and he said he was not only aware of them, but that he'd approved of them. Moreover, he specifically said he had no regrets about what was done to Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who we know was tortured with simulated drowning — also known as "waterboarding" — which is considered by the entire civilized world to be torture.

The great pious Catholic Pope stands before this man, and what does he say? Does he mention that Jesus asked that we do to others as we would have them do to us? Does he remind him that they call their religious figurehead the "Prince of Peace", and that he asked us to turn the other cheek when we were struck, or that he asked that we protect the poor and weak? Does he point out that the central event in their shared faith was the torture and execution of their prophet and god, and that the New Testament isn't about emulating the heroic Romans?

No, of course not. An obscenely wealthy old man heading an organization that protects child abusers and advocates horrendous and ignorant social practices that harm the poor all around the world would look utterly hypocritical even trying to rebuke a war-monger and apologist for torture. So instead he stands there and tells him that they share common principles founded in fear of a nebulous god. Those are 'principles' I reject — they seem to be nothing but labile excuses for doing as you will to anyone who falls under your thumb.

There's an evil tableau for you: the callous torturer stands up with blood on his hands and a lie in his teeth, while the priest draped in gilt reassures him of his righteousness. How often has that scene played out in history, I wonder?

Our press seems to be more interested in promoting the pomp of a papal visit than actually addressing the vileness that this administration prosecutes; we'll see more of the pointless, self-promoting ceremonial nonsense of the mass in New York this weekend than we'll see addressing the unconscionable evil these great pious leaders condone. I won't be watching any of it. The sight of these two sanctimonious monsters makes me ill. How about you, Christians? These are your leaders, your paragons, your representatives of the power of your faith. Do you feel some slight tremor of shame that your values are on parade in an empty ritual in the foreground, and a brutal indifference to human life in the back?

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PZ Myers is a biologist and associate professor at the University of Minnesota, Morris. He runs the science blog, Pharyngula.


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Not my leaders
Posted by: Linda in VT on Apr 22, 2008 6:10 AM   
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Hello, PZ --
As a former campus chaplain (Episcopal) to UM Morris, I want to thank you for your criticisms of the two "Christian leaders" and nuance the critique somewhat. Bush represents what many of us now call "Christianists" as distinct from Christians. The Pope is a scholar and has at least criticized warmaking, but not vigorously enough, in my opinion. The social justice ethic you attribute to Jesus is, in fact, found throughout the Old Testament as well. Those books are made up of a variety of literary forms, not all of them (or any of them) "scientific" in the modern sense, so no use looking for that kind of information there. Ultimately, Christianity (and I think any of the major religions) is fatally misused when it becomes a vehicle to comfort the comfortable and afflict the afflicted; it's supposed to be the other way around. And my leader (in the churchly sense) is Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori, herself a marine biologist. I suspect you and she would have a lot in common.
Blessings to you, and enjoy the prairie spring!
Linda Maloney+

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Excellent Post, Thank You
Posted by: exasperated on Apr 22, 2008 6:32 AM   
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Dear PZ,

Thank you for laying bare the hypocrisy of such "leaders." As a secular humanist, I take particular offense to sweeping, and utterly meaningless, statements like those of the chimp-in-chief when he claims that ours is a country of prayer. Bush has weaponized religion and uses it to exclude rather than to welcome and foster understanding with "outside" groups. The pope, well, don't get me started on what's wrong with any dubious claim to moral authority this clown might have. There is some consolation, though, in knowing that both men are largely ignored in this world. I'd seen a writer's description of Bush's approval rating recently as "subterranean" and it struck me as the perfectly apt summary of his ruinous presidency. I think that many Catholics have come to feel a certain embarrassment at the pomp and silliness that surround any pope. This one, though, has given thinking Catholics even more to reason to distance themselves. Hiding pedophiles from prosecution in Rome and calling for the training of exorcism "shock troops" are definitely not the actions of one who has any right to be taken seriously as a spiritual leader.

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» RE: xcellent Post, Thank You Posted by: Doubtom
As a Catholic
Posted by: JSquercia on Apr 22, 2008 6:33 AM   
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As a Catholic I was extremely disappointed in the Pope's visit . Here we have an Administration that is CLEARLY guilty of illegal and immoral behavior and he spoke not a word about it . The Iraq war would qualify as a war crime under the Nuremberg rules and is in open violation of the UN's Charter which forbids wars of agression . The administration also has both approved of and engaged in torture ; using in fact a technique from the Inquisition (Waterboarding) . I could understand perhaps not expressing his concerns while standing next to the President but there were other ample opportunities to express such criticism .
Of course there was a time when the Pope could have pointed out the fallacy of respect for life while promoting the Death Penalty . We all know that Gov Bush had NO problem executing people and even mocked poor Karla Faye Tucker .
As far as the Pope and his handling of the sexual abuse cases , while it was nice to meet with some victims it would be more believable if the church had not given Cardinal Law a job in Rome . The Cardinal was instrumental in covering up many cases of abuse . It is also my understanding that it was as a papal advisor Pope Benedict was responsible for John Paul's inaction on this matter .
All in all not a very STRONG performance in stating the views that Jesus would have held . Frankly I can't imagine HE would have quiet on the aforementioned issues

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» RE: As a Catholic Posted by: Doubtom
Revered Local Priest Bullied Young Boys 50 Years
Posted by: mrtshw on Apr 22, 2008 6:57 AM   
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The hypocrisy of the Pope and the President is so hideous it defies any description rooted in reality. On a lesser scale; the Arkansas Diocese has practically sainted the late Father George Tribou, Principal of Little Rock Catholic High School for Boys for many decades and successfully had a street renamed in his honor following Father Tribou's death. Tribou is even praised by current leaders in the Diocese for his innovative disciplinary measures the perpetual cigar chomping Tribou used in shaping the lives of thousands of young boys; Below are documented examples of this outstanding pillar of local Catholicism

a boy was throwing rocks from the garden while another was clapping and encouraging him. The boy had to pick up sticks after school and the other boy had to clap and encourage him throughout the punishment

making a boy smoke an entire cigar if he was caught smoking cigarettes

ordering a boy to carry a door for a day since he had such a fond habit of slamming it

allowing boys to settle their disputes with boxing gloves. The following day, they would serve in-school suspension together and would not be allowed to talk to anyone other than each other the entire day. If boys fought in the school without being sanctioned, they would have to sit in the main lobby during lunch, holding hands, feeding each other their own lunch with the one free hand.

announcing to the class that he had discovered the identity of the boy who had been seen smoking on school grounds and that if he didn't show up at his office in a certain amount of time, his penalty would be severely worsened (upon which a long line of boys would manifest in front of his office)

making girls and boys hug the pillars of the school lobby all night if they were caught dancing too close during prom

making a student wear a sandwich board that said "careful, I spit" if caught using chewing tobacco

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2 more perfect examples
Posted by: cwilsondrum on Apr 22, 2008 7:11 AM   
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of the shallow,shameless,criminal,corrupting combination of religion and the republican party. perfect! If there were a god, those two would have incinerated on contact.

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Point Well Taken, But Needs A Dash More Nuance.
Posted by: grumble-bum on Apr 22, 2008 7:42 AM   
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I, & (I would guess) many actual, practicing Christians, can find little to argue with Mr. Meyers' basic point. Indeed, as political/Religious "leaders", both of these men have done a shameful job of serving as role-models for living out the core beliefs of Christian teachings. & there are more than a few disturbing parallels to the mutual support between Church & State that existed during some of the darker times in human history.

Having said this, I have to add my agreement to the Chaplain's comments above. As she points out, many people concerned with trying to live by Christian principles would describe those more obsessed with worldly power (from politicians to followers of Prosperity "theology") as Christianists.

Mr. Meyers' statement that Christians (as some sort of cohesive group) see these two men as leaders is grossly unfair. In fact, speaking simply from anecdotal experience, I would say that many people who identify culturally/Religiously as Catholic are embarrassed by their Church's lingering Medieval trappings, deeply concerned about the scandals that continue to plague it, & hopeful for its eventual evolution. Not all, by any means, but enough to make Meyers' contention rather inexact. As for Protestants (in itself a misleadingly broad blanket term), I would argue that few actually see Bush as a spiritual role model, much less a figure of Religious authority.

Further, Meyers' condemnation of political/Religious leaders who embrace a "nebulous" God rang false with me. I would say that the real danger here isn't a belief in a nebulous God, but rather an overly specific one!

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» RE: In other words... Posted by: oregoncharles
» Exactly, On Both Counts. Posted by: grumble-bum
» RE: alternet commenting set up Posted by: channing
Me too, I guess
Posted by: sawdust on Apr 22, 2008 7:44 AM   
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I was all set to make some biting and sarcastic remarks about these two monuments to hypocritical, immoral and despicable false pretenses (and how disgusting and repugnant they were/are), but I see everyone else has beaten me to it. Shucks.

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As a recovering Catholic...
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Apr 22, 2008 7:52 AM   
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...all I can add to this article is hear, hear.

The media's all Pope all the time was enough to make me barf, and I tuned out at the mention of the assistant to the War Criminal in Chief ASAP.

I have only one question before I look up again, is Almighty Protector of Child Abusers gone yet?

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The lie of organized religion
Posted by: 2dogarage on Apr 22, 2008 8:08 AM   
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...is the primary delusion hypnotizing the masses into the "godless" evolution of humanity. Religion has hijacked god for it's own purposes: the consolidation of wealth and power. Christianity, the way it is practiced in most cases, gives Jesus a bad name.

Neither of these two men represent true spirituality, in fact stand by to increase the rift between people and the true god, the ONE/the ALL who manifests in myriad form every day the sun graces us with it's light. This to me is a self-evident fact, completely unlike the christian model, which has taken man further and further from nature and her laws for living in harmony and "communion" with each other.

These two men represent everything that is terribly wrong with the world, they are authoritarian megalomaniacs who labor to keep the people meek and subservient and hungry for more material wealth in the absence of true spiritual wealth.

If people would be brave enough to look behind the curtain they would see that this is all a horrible illusion. It's my belief that doing so would enable them to see other things much more clearly and render them unable to commit or condone the crimes they perpetrate in the name of their false "god".

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Influence of pope
Posted by: Dianka on Apr 22, 2008 8:51 AM   
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Actually, I read that the pope, like most of the world, has spoken up against the slaughter in Iraq on a number of occasions. Of course, the pope is not a spiritual leader to George Bush, nor is Bush inclined to listen to anyone who doesn't strictly agree with him, so anything the pope said in Washington would have no influence on this administration.

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» RE: Influence of pope Posted by: alternetrose
Deb
Posted by: debmcd on Apr 22, 2008 9:21 AM   
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Those two men standing together on a stage like two peas in a pod represent all the reasons that I can't believe in a God. Two more hypocritical, evil, self-righteous men you'll never find. I wouldn't give you two cents for either one of them. They, with all their false religiousness, will both be buried and become worm food before they realize there is nothing that can save them from dark, empty, heavenless eternity.

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» RE: Deb Posted by: alternetrose
Behold the two god's greatest blunders...
Posted by: AlterEg0 on Apr 22, 2008 10:33 AM   
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Must be pretty shabby god, that created the two miscreants: bush and pope. Frankly I refuse to believe that those are the creations of a sane, benevolent and loving entity. It must have been some inferior malefactor that came up with those two, and if one looks around, there are more of them (cheney, rice, wolfowitz, rumsfeld, rove, ashcroft - just to name a few).

Whichever god created those factory rejects, please step up to the plate, assume all responsibility and delete the works. Now would be a good time.

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Everything Old is New Again
Posted by: momly on Apr 22, 2008 11:10 AM   
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Yet what I also see in modern religion is a re-prioritizing: the secular concerns that should matter, the egalitarian word of a religious tradition that valued the cohesion of the social fabric and demanded equal treatment for even the least of society is ignored, given a little lip service perhaps, but made subservient to the intangible theological nonsense of prayer, of an invisible god, of submission to dogma and hope in an unevidenced afterlife. It's a religion that has shifted its eyes from a task to be done here on earth to an unearthly vision of a magical unseen world run by an ethereal tyrant who must be placated.

Oddly enough, what you describe in this paragraph is almost exactly what Jesus was fighting against with the Pharisees and the Scribes in first century Palestine. Religious observance had become an opiate for the oppressed and a form of oppression for those in league with the oppressors.

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"Train a child up... and when he is old, he shall not depart from it"
Posted by: channing on Apr 22, 2008 11:13 AM   
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Ratzinger Benedict, as a child was a member of "Hitler Youth", uniformed and complicit, a "Nice German" in the ranks of society, protected by the fascist 3rd Reich tyrants. George Bush's grandfather, Prescott, was financing the 3rd Reich's war machine with his buddies JP Morgan and the DuPonts. And in 1933 took it upon themselves to organize a Nazi-paralleled coup on the US. Fortunately for us, the general they enlisted to organize the militia turned coat on them and reported to Congress.

Now that Ratzinger is old, he makes clear to the world who already knows Bush is the modern day Adolf Hitler, that he, even as "pompous-pope", is still a "Nice German". What was left of the Catholic Church's moral credibility in the world died with Pope John Paul and the internal hijacking that placed Ratzinger in the drivers seat.

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"Forgive them Father they're just stupid ignorant dumbass Americans..!"
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Apr 22, 2008 11:31 AM   
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Let's remember that The Vatican was against the war in Iraq and acted seriously to try and avoid it occurring..

Also the Pope had a private audience with G.W. Bush and that's where he spoke his mind and no doubt let Bush know how he feels about this Administration in private..

It wouldn't be a left wing site without a healthy dose of Catholic bashing and disrespect for The Pope..

Huffington Post still takes the prize for spreading the most hatred for Catholics and the Catholic Church and repeated mockery of The Pope, this while at the same time trying to convince the world there was nothing to Obama "bitter" remarks and his talking about people "clinging to religion.."


It seems all to obvious to me that Obama supporters really do have a problem with those who have any religious beliefs and especially for Catholics..

Now for me it was unfortunate that The Holy Father had to out of protocol ave any dealings or visits with Bush and then alter Dick Cheney at the airport prior to his departure..

I also wish he had been more specific during his speech at the U.N. and also condemned Red China for it's actions in Tibet and also all those Catholic priests and hierarchy and nuns being held in Red Chinese prisons for whom he feared retaliation for any statements in regard to Red Chinese repression..and oppression of religion..!

Well for those of us raised Catholic and also with more knowledge of the thousands of years of history and culture of The Church, Rome, The Vatican and a more European outlook it's easy to see why so many stupid Americans have such a narrow ignorant hateful disrespectful view of the Holy Father..!

"Forgive them Father for they know not what they do..!"

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One thousand years of carnage and barbarity in the name of Christ
Posted by: JimmyVaughan on Apr 22, 2008 11:50 AM   
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The Roman Catholic Church has never believed in religious freedom for anyone other than themselves.

The fist Papal Inquisition began in 1184 and was established by a papal bull entitled Ad abolendam. The Episcopal Inquisition followed immediately thereafter and lasted for 46 years. The Papal Inquisition of 1230, established by Pope Gregory IX, virtually wiped out everyone who practiced Catharism and Waldensianism in southern France and northern Italy.

The Church's hatred and intolerance for "unrepentant heretics" cannot be underestimated; the punishment for these unfortunate souls was harsh--they were burned at the stake. Punishment for lesser "offense against God" included, but was not limited to, wearing a yellow cross for life, confiscation of property, banishment, public recantation, or long-term imprisonment.

The Goa Inquisition, Spanish Inquisition and the Roman Inquisition were just as barbarous.

Peter de Rosa, in his book Vicars for Christ remarked, "Popes maimed and were maimed, killed and were killed. Without question, these pontiffs constitute the most despicable body of leaders, clerical or lay, in history. They were, frankly, barbarians. Ancient Rome had nothing to rival them in rottenness."

Today, the barbarity of the Catholic Church includes genocide. For example, Pope Pius XII was known to historians as "Hitler's Pope".

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Catholic bashing
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Apr 22, 2008 3:55 PM   
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I have been accused of bashing Catholics, Mormons and practitioners of various other superstitions on various threads - as have others.

Always happens when the reality-based community encounters the superstitious.

It is much easier to attack the messengers (pointing out that you religionists believe things that are demonstrably false) than accept that virgins don't give birth, men don't levitate or raise the dead with a touch or a ritual and only the safe distance of centuries combined with fanatical brainwashing make such things sound remotely plausible.

Only by ignoring or engaging in the most incredible tail-chasing illogic can the evil that these organizations have promoted and engaged in be tolerated - or even justified.

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Bush is wrong
Posted by: modeler on Apr 27, 2008 8:28 AM   
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He should have said: A nation on a prayer, not of prayer. The way he acts it certainly seems like it. Billions a day for a lost war and practically nothing for the healthcare of the needy.

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