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Obama's Building a New Coalition; Some Aren't Happy

Posted by Booman, Booman Tribune at 1:32 PM on April 19, 2008.


The American electorate is changing.
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In a general sense I think it is bad form to pull comments off a blog. But I think it's important to address a couple of recurring points that keep coming up in the Hill-o-sphere. Over at Taylor Marsh there is a discussion thread about Howard Dean's request that the undecided superdelegates show their cards.

An increasingly firm Howard Dean told CNN again Thursday that he needs superdelegates to say who they're for - and "I need them to say who they're for starting now."

"We cannot give up two or three months of active campaigning and healing time," the Democratic National Committee Chairman told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "We've got to know who our nominee is."

Marsh interprets this is as panic by Dean because of the debate performance of Barack Obama. That's her interpretation, and she's free to it. My interpretation is that he is more concerned about Clinton's debate performance, but that isn't the subject of this post. I want to look at how some of Marsh's readers look at Dean and Obama.

I'm really upset that Dean would be pressing this right now, with Pennsylvania still coming up. He is so desperate to get his butt out of the fire over Michigan and Florida. Can't anyone else see that? He's pressing this so he won't have to make any decision on Florida or Michigan, because if he had to count Florida and Michigan, Hillary would win it. then.. Dean would have to give up his entire 50 stated strategy that he is so hellbent on continuing (just to prove a point and remake the party.) I don't recall ASKING anyone to remake OUR party...

...Dean, et al, want to remake the party so that they don't have to rely on the "lunchbucket democrats" anymore, or the swing voters. This is a big mistake. The moderates they are sacrificing for the "new" voters, are not going to stick around where they aren't wanted. Dean pushes Obama at our party's peril. He's so afraid of violence in Denver that he'll risk the sure defeat in November with Obama as the nominee, just to avoid it.

There is a lot to unpack there. But before we do, let's look at another comment.

This man has singlehandedly created a Third Party! I will let YOU decide what to call it. The "We're New & Different" Party? The "Great Speeches & Comedy Routines" Party? The "We're Not Washington Like Them" Party ? The "We Can Dance & They Can't" Party ? ... or maybe the "We Talk To Everybody" Party.

They make no secret of it ! They BRAG that this new party is made up of Newbies and Youngsters and Independents and CrossOvers from the other party.

The sad part is while they may continue to cling to the name Democrat ... they are actually a bastard third party ... and by doing this neither they ... or the real Democratic Party they've now managed to destroy - can win.

Now, there's some delusional thinking in these posts, particularly over whether Florida and Michigan would change the outcome of any of the metrics of the race. But they are picking up on the nugget of something real. Chris Bowers analyzed it two days ago in his The End of Liberal Elites post. You should read the whole thing to get a full flavor of his argument, but the key is demographic change.

In 1972, McGovern won 37.52% of the popular vote. In 1984, Mondale won 40.56% of the popular vote. In 1988, Dukakis won 45.65% of the popular vote. In 2004, John Kerry won 48.27% of the popular vote. The basic reason for this is not consistent improvement of the quality of the Democratic candidates, but the changing demographics of the electorate that these candidates more acceptable to the nation of the whole.

In 2008, we have probably reached a point where the demographic tilt of the electorate favors those candidates by 50% + 1. If this is the case, then it would represent the end of the "liberal elite" and civil right backlash narratives as an effective anti-Democratic tactic on the national level.

Demographics represent one of the key elements of a new left-leaning governing majority. But that is true for any Democratic nominee, including Clinton. Obama, however, has a new and unfamiliar coalition of voters. On the one hand, Obama has attracted the liberal elites. These are college professors, urban and suburban professionals, people that work in performing arts, etc. This group is whiter, wealthier, and more educated than the Democratic Party as a whole. They have had a string of electoral champions and electoral disappointments. And one reason for those disappointments has been that the African-American community did not support Dean over Kerry, Bradley over Gore, Tsongas over Clinton, or Hart over Mondale.

But Obama has managed to create, for the first time, a coalition of liberal elites and African-American voters. As an aside here, as someone that has done political work in urban black neighborhoods and has been active in reforming the machine-driven politics of Philadelphia, this coalition is a dream come true. But what does it mean that Obama has put together this coalition? And, here I must add, Obama is also attracting young people in droves and pulling in independents and some former Republicans. That's important because he needs an expanded base for the general election. Yet, Obama is doing all this without relying on 'lunchbucket' Democrats. And lunchbucket Democrats have been decisive in every Democratic primary since McGovern and every general election since FDR built his majority coalition.

This man has singlehandedly created a Third Party!

...I don't recall ASKING anyone to remake OUR party...

...they are actually a bastard third party.

There is nothing radically different about Obama's policies. Most people agree that his policies differ little from Clinton's. What's new is his base of support. And aside from young people who swing back and forth (see their support of Reagan), Obama's core support is still coming from loyal and reliable Democrats. Liberals and blacks are the most reliable Democrats. So, there is nothing too radical in his base supporters. What's new is only that his base is not built on 'lunchbucket' Democrats.

But moving back to policy, if there are not large differences between Clinton and Obama, what do lunchbucket Democrats have to fear? The answer is obvious: influence. They may not be the decisive voting bloc anymore in either Democratic primaries or general elections. And that makes some of them so uncomfortable that they view this new coalition as a 'bastard party'. They also share the view of many in the punditry class, that this new coalition is unelectable because its face (as opposed to its policies) are too liberal and too black. But Bowers has an answer for that, too.

  • In 2006, Democrats won an 8.2% popular vote victory in House campaigns despite losing the white Protestant vote 61%-37%. Democrats even lost white evangelicals 70%-28%, but still had a banner year. In fact, Democrats won a landslide national victory despite splitting what many analysts have long considered the Holy Grail of swing groups, white Catholics, 50%-49%.
  • In 2004, John Kerry took 41% of the vote among whites, and lost the popular vote by 2.46%. In 1988, Michael Dukakis took 40% of the white vote, but lost the popular vote by 7.72%. With only a 1% improvement among whites, John Kerry improved 5.26% overall (source).
  • In 1992, whites were 87% of the electorate. In 2004, whites were 77% of the electorate, a 10% drop in just 12 years. Further, the three groups of whites among whom Democrats hold more than a 2-1 edge on Republicans, white union members, white non-Christians, and white LGBTs, are all increasing their share of the electorate and the white vote. Although not by a 2-1 margin, Democrats also do very well among white single women, who are also increasing their share of the electorate.
  • Who don't Democrats do well among anymore? Straight, Christian, non-union whites who are not single women, do not self-identify as liberal, and are over the age of 30. Basically, that is just about the only group where the backlash narratives will still have wide appeal. While about 90% of the punditry falls into that category, and while Republicans win this group with more than 70% of the vote, it only represents about one-third of the electorate, and decreases in size every year.

It's no wonder that some whites are feeling the Democratic Party slipping away from them. But it isn't a matter of changing policy...at least, not yet. At this point it is a more visceral feeling than anything you can document. You can see hints in the polling (.pdf). Among Pennsylvanian Democrats for whom immigration is their number one issue, Clinton leads 56%-19%.

I would be very hesitant to attribute this to racism. Some racism exists, without question. But much of this angst is taking place on a more subconscious level. And I don't think it will necessarily result in the loss of large numbers of white working class voters to the Republican Party specifically because they aren't any real tensions over policy. Working class whites are suffering terribly in this economic downturn and John McCain and the Republicans are offering them no help. Obama is offering universal health care, relief on the cost of education, a helping hand through the housing slump, etc.

Although some voters will drift away as they feel less integral to the party's success, enough will remain to help form a new majority governing coalition. And most of these young voters are likely to stay reliable Democrats for the rest of their lives, just as young voters have stuck with their initial partisan preference in the past.

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I don't know about that tactic either...
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 19, 2008 4:06 PM   
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Pulling this random comment off the web and then making an article about it is the same strategy that ABC used to ask nasty questions about Obama's flag pin.

Dean pushes Obama at our party's peril. He's so afraid of violence in Denver that he'll risk the sure defeat in November with Obama as the nominee, just to avoid it.

Obviously a Hillary campaigner or a Republican - because Obama is still ahead in national polls, and Hillary has a ton of baggage that Republicans would love to dig into, starting with Monica Lewinsky and going downhill from there.

Don't you find the term "lunchbucket" kind of idiotic? What are the other options? The "donut and coffee" Republicans? The "silver spoon" Democrats? The "golden cow" Republicans?

How about the U.S. citizens who are sick and tired of the political bullshit that saturates the airwaves and surrounds Clinton and McCain like a thick cloud of flies?

What demographic is that?

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Gaffe of the D Party
Posted by: OK Granny on Apr 19, 2008 5:34 PM   
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If the party's VIPs had been on their toes months ago advising FL and MI voters correctly, we would not be in this mess and those states would be representated in the delegates. I am also disappointed that the party did not check out background of candidates more thoroughly. Investigating reporters from the Chicago area now saying on some sites/blogs that Obama conspired with Rezko on obtaining loans and funds that lead to some of the charges. It would be unfortunate if charges are in order at this late date. Supposedly, there are more charges just waiting to be filed against Rezko and others in Iraq.

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» RE: LIES. Posted by: Longdream
Way to read those entrails, guys!
Posted by: hagwind on Apr 19, 2008 7:27 PM   
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Maybe Dean just meant that he thought it would be a good idea if the superdelegates declared themselves? (I'm still a little shaky on the concept of "superdelegate." They didn't have superdelegates when I was a kid.)

No, wait! There are angels dancing on my pinhead! I've gotta stop and count them. This politico shit'll have to wait.

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Loss of Power...
Posted by: OldRedleg on Apr 19, 2008 9:19 PM   
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and/or the ability to influence how that power is used are the greatest things that people in power fear the most. So those powers-to-be cling desperately to the "way things have always been done" and completely ignore the fact that things haven't been working out well at all.

All the people complaining about Dean's 50 state strategy just plain refuse to admit that the old "swing-state" strategy hasn't worked out since Carter was elected. And don't even start to imagine that Bill Clinton won in 1992. George H. W. Bush only lost because so many of us people actually were fed up enough with both parties that we actually had some (false, as it turned out) hope that a third party would finally really emerge as a real alternative.

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Creative Class only 13% of US population
Posted by: Donna_Darko on Apr 19, 2008 9:25 PM   
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Booman,

I went to the bookstore today and found out from Florida's book that the Creative Class is only 13% of the US population. Add that to 13% that make up the black population and 25% that make up 18-31 year old eligible voters. Hillary's coalition is two times bigger. Women are 51% of the population, working class, 33%, Latinos, 15%, elderly, 12%. I don't have a Venn diagram because some of these groups overlap but her numbers are two times bigger if you add them up.

Clinton 111
Obama 51

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» A few problems ... Posted by: Joshua Holland
» And, of course .... Posted by: Joshua Holland
Sounds like DLC manure
Posted by: nevervotesrepublican on Apr 20, 2008 8:22 AM   
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This sounds like the stuff the Democratic Leadership Council would like to spread on the lawn. They want control over the party, but candidates like Dean and Obama keep spoiling their party.
Since their induction, the DLC have been trashing our party... They want us to keep pushing to the right. They don't want us to talk about class warfare on the poor and middle class. All the while, they take donations from oil companies, the military industrial complex, and the Bradley foundation.
It is time to show the DLC to the door. They want to be Republicans, but they don't want to give up their Democratic leadership to serve the repugs.

The DLC was for the Iraq War, for NAFTA, for CAFTA and always want to play nice with the Republicans.

Enough!!! Could someone show these Traitorous Bastards to the door and maybe our party can find itself again.


side note: I would really like to see more articles on the DLC, because I don't believe the majority of Democrats realize this little power group in our party.

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» A rose by any other name ... Posted by: Joshua Holland
2008 Is The New 1964
Posted by: bc430 on Apr 20, 2008 1:26 PM   
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nevervotesrepublican wrote: "Enough!!! Could someone show these Traitorous Bastards to the door and maybe our party can find itself again."

And let it begin with a hearty farewell to Mr. and Mrs. Clinton.

They most thoroughly represent what's wrong with the Dem Party and modern America. The party and the nation are in a functional hypnotic trance. Like an experienced drunk both the party of the working class and the country of the welcomed huddled masses have mastered the ability to perform routine tasks under the influence of denial, 24/7. Poverty strickened White conservatives. What the heck is there to conserve? Reverend Rapture said "The leader of Irak don't love his own people."

2002. The Leader of Irak also said "You guys probably ought to rethink this jumping on us thing. This will be the MOTHER of all...Muthas" And we laughed at Mr. Saddam, 'cause our leaders love us and we're the greatest and next to Israel we're God's favorite.

2008. Going on 5,000 dead, 50,000 wounded Americans and a bankrupt America.

Had no idea the boy was a prophet.(Saddam) Bad Intel again. Damn!

However, who needs sobriety or the US. Constitution? Sobriety advocates are frowned upon and rejected as heretics, and conspiracy theorists, because they upset the comfort zone of America's pacified, pre-occupied, materially comforted, dumbed down, most cowardly. The TV said, "be afraid, green, yellow orange, red and go buy something at Home Depot." Didn't you hear it? Watch American Idol.

In 1964 Black human beings were asserting themselves as human beings and demanding instead of begging and pleading with hat in hand and eyes cast down to the ground. Atlantic City 1964, Black Dems were rebuffed by White racist dixicrats in the Dem party.

Pre-Denver 2008, The thought of a supreb Black Prez candidate is being rebuffed by a White racist contingent of "dem progressives?" led by Mr. and Mrs. Clinton. Working Class White guys 'n their folk. "SCREW 'EM!!!" signed Mr and Mrs Clinton.

2008. A more sophisticated, sly, slick, wicked, well educated and wealthy White racist "progressive" demographic in the Dem Party is saying "OH HELL NO" - not to the seating of Black Mississippi delegates but to the will of the majority of American voters who represent the majority of all voter demographics whose choice for president of the United States of America is Barack Obama - a Black man. Out of many, ONE. What a difference 44 years make.

And ladies and gentlemen, girls and boys, that's what all of the current Dem Party Mr. and Mrs. Clinton, eternal nasty primary, Ferraro, George and Charlie Show, Mario Quomo, racist "pledge to take her as your Veep colored boy" and other pre civil war double standard third class bullshit is all about.

Why aren't more of us more bitter and more EMBARRASED too.

Apparently we have forgotten that since the advent of TV cameras The Whole World Is Watching.

2008. My advice: Mr. and Mrs. Clinton, y'all go join your predecessors in the Republican party and swing as far to the right as you desire. Do se do and promenade home.

Serious Dems - Bring the troops home NOW and To the Streets.

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cOME ON !!PEOPLE
Posted by: niliadis on Apr 21, 2008 8:21 AM   
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America Open up your eyes..Obama is the biggest Risk of our time! Do you really want to vote for Obama? He sprinkled his hypocirtical dust and has given us the Kool aid
and some have been blinded by the free pass he has been given by the press. He is not what you think..Take off the Halo from his head and put a big question mark over it...Do you really know who is Obama? all I know that he is the biggest risk of a desparity that we have never seen in our country..
Obama’s christian, mentor,friends & Connections:
————————————————
William Ayers - American Terrorist
Raul Reyes - Columbian Terrorist
Antonio Rezko - Muslim Slum Lord
Professor Khalidi - Muslim Terrorist Supporter
Reverend Wright - Racist N.O.I. Muslim Supporter/Preacher
Louis Farrakhan - Racist N.O.I. Muslim Supporter/ Faux Preacher
Nadhmi Auchi - Muslim Billionaire
Sohaib Abassi - Muslim Millionaire
Rea more here: http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com
THINK AGAIN-DON'T RISK OUR COUNTRY IN HIS HANDS

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» RE: cOME ON !!PEOPLE Posted by: anna132
Pretty Disturbing Stuff
Posted by: deatonfl on Apr 21, 2008 2:37 PM   
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I'm becoming very concerned as well...you need to check out this link and let me know what you think. It does have some slant but there's also so very scary stuff here that we should all be thinking about if we want to win in November!

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036

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Any Polls of WHAT Obama Supporters RESPOND TO?
Posted by: riotoustanpdx on Apr 21, 2008 3:38 PM   
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Demographics do not always tell the story.

Have there been any polls of Obama supporters that define WHY they support the man?

How about polls that ask hard questions on the issues pertinent to Obama hard plans of how to get from "here" to "there."

How about polling those who support Obama merely because they link Hillary Clinton to G. W. Bush?

How many times has it been written here that support for Obama is based on the hatred for the "dynasty" of Clinton and Bush, which is a fallacy?

Bush has made it a mission to UNDO the positive environmental and other positives of the Clinton Administration, and this is one reason we perceive Bush-Cheney as a disaster.

There never was a dynasty of Clinton POLICY. There WAS a coup that ended the progress being made.

I am certain that if Obama supporters are polled as to reasons for the support (or worship) they offer the man, there would have to be a new demographic created as a result: that of the Delusional Dreamer.

In sum, the demographics only show that there is a varying percentage of people who LOOSELY support Obama, for the moment, before the indictments of his friends and business partners, and that these groups have only a very tenuous connection to each other. This is FAR from forming a solid coalition.

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What Demographic Votes for This?
Posted by: Longdream on Apr 21, 2008 6:31 PM   
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Clinton's been all over the place today with the "Who's Your Commander-In-Chief?", rhetoric. Keith Olbermann had her in an interview:

"And we will tell Iran in no uncertain terms that a strike on Israel will bring forth MASSIVE RETALIATION from the United States.

She went on to explain that the MASSIVE RETALIATION would happen in the case of a nuclear strike on Israel from Iran.

You mean the country that doesn't have enough high quality Strontium 90 or the technology to get it to spin a gyroscope?

I mean, where have we heard that over and over again? Why does fucking Bush even need to leave the White House if Clinton gets elected? They can do job sharing, take half the week off.

Fucking phony alarmist crap. When did you stop beating your wife, Hillary?

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