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Are FLDS Women Brainwashed?

Posted by Sara Robinson, Orcinus at 10:41 AM on April 18, 2008.


What drives a woman to submit to a fundamentalist Mormon cult?
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The FLDS's first consecrated Mormon Temple at the YFZ Ranch in Eldorado, TX. It was built by the order of Warren Jeffs, and consecrated by him while he was a fugitive on the FBI's Most Wanted List.

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I've spent the day wrangling with a post (which will probably turn into several posts) about the FLDS raid in Eldorado, TX. Oddly, last week's events occured while I had my nose buried in the best new book on the subject of the FLDS since Jon Krakauer's bestselling Under the Banner of Heaven came out in 2003, so I've got a lot of fresh and deep perspective on the matter -- too much, in fact, to be wrestled down into one coherent post.

Over dinner, I'd just about decided that the only way to deal with the overload was to chip away at the story in short blats over the next few days, which will attempt to put some new context to these events. And then I got an e-mail from Pastor Dan Schultz of Street Prophets, containing ample proof of just how badly that context is needed now that the media talking heads are all holding forth on this story.

Dan pointed me to the second most inane thing ABC News has produced today (the first, of course, being Charlie Gibson's and George Stephanopoulos' performance at the Pennsylvania debates) -- an odd little story by Emily Friedman asking "experts" whether or not FLDS wives are "brainwashed."

Between hysterical sobs, the women of the Yearning for Zion Ranch in rural Texas tearily pleaded Monday for the return of their children from state custody, but at the mere turn of a phrase, those tears mysteriously, uniformly stopped.

When conversations with reporters shifted away from the 416 children in state custody toward touchier subjects surrounding the mysterious religious sect, the overflowing emotions were quickly replaced with blank stares and terse replies.

Clad in conservative prairie dresses, hair back in buns and tight braids, the women stuck to monotone, emotionless responses in declining to answer reporters' questions concerning allegations of plural marriages and sexual assault within the sect.

Asked whether 14- and 15-year-old girls get married on the compound, a tight-lipped woman who would only give her first name, Marilyn, gave what appeared to be a rehearsed response.

"We are talking about our children now," she said, shaking her head, unwilling to stray from the subject of her children.

The shift to blank-faced denial was jarring in both its immediacy and consistency. Not a single one strayed from the script, an impressive display of solidarity, if a bit peculiar to the outsiders granted unprecedented access to the members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

To outsiders, everything about these people is strange — from the way they dress to the way they talk and especially the way they live. To the uninitiated, it may even appear that these women must be brainwashed to live within the confines of the isolated, controlled sect.

Questions about rumored child brides, teen pregnancies and men assigned multiple wives garnered stoic expressions and a relentless determination to defend the sect's lifestyle.

"Do you know the definition of Zion?" responded Marie, when asked by a reporter what life within the sect's gate is really like. "Heaven on Earth."

It's an extreme statement, and the women of the sect have begun to realize that their devotion to their lifestyle is unusual to those on the outside.

So, are these women just fanatically, independently religious, or are they victims of something more sinister, like mind control?....

Mental health professionals told ABCNEWS.com that it may all depend on how you define brainwashing.

The piece goes on to interview several mental health professionals, who (except for one outlier) ome to the consensus that no, probably, these women aren't brainwashed -- just weirdly socialized. Brainwashing, after all, would require real coercion:

"Just because they are different doesn't mean they've been brainwashed," said H. Newton Malony, a senior professor of psychology at the Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, Calif. "Brainwashing occurs when a person is physically incarcerated in order to believe something."

As far as we know, said Malony, these women and children — and even men, for that matter — have not been held against their will, but rather, have grown up in the sect and have become socialized to its customs.

"Are these woman just parroting strong pleasure or is this a strong religious conviction?" asked Malony. "I doubt it; they grew up in this [environment].

"This is just an example of a different culture," added Malony....

Nancy Ammerman, professor of the sociology of religion at Boston University and author of "Bible Believers: Fundamentalists in the Modern World," also discourages the labeling of the West Texas polygamists as victims of brainwashing.

"Brainwashing is actually extraordinarily rare," said Ammerman. "It implies that the person has literally lost the ability to think independently and to make choices.

"We really don't have any evidence that anything even vaguely resembling that is going on with this particular group or with most religious groups," Ammerman told ABCNEWS.com.

....Most of these experts sided with Maloney, who said, "It only becomes brainwashing when a person is physically held against their will."

The problem, as it so often is with the mainstream media, is that absolutely everybody involved with reporting or commenting on this story has been airlifted into it in the past few days. (You'd think somebody would have at least taken the time on the plane flight to skim Krakauer's book and get up to speed. You'd be wrong.) And this is just one example of the ways that ignorance of the backstory cheats the rest of us out of a real understanding of what's going on here.

Because, by the definition offered by these experts, the FLDS is very coercive indeed.

Almost every feature of these women's lives is determined by someone else. They do not choose what they wear, whom they live with, when and whom they marry, or when and with whom they have sex. From the day they're born, they can be reassigned at a moment's notice to another father or husband, another household, or another community. Most will have no educational choices (FLDS kids are taught in church-run schools, usually only through about tenth grade -- by which point they girls are usually married and pregnant). Everything they produce goes into a trust controlled by the patriarch: they do not even own their own labor. If they object to any of this, they're subject to losing access to the resources they need to raise their kids: they can be moved to a trailer with no heat, and given less food than more compliant wives, until they learn to "keep sweet."

At the very least, women who do decide to leave the sect leave without money, skills, or a friend in the world. Most of them have no choice but to leave large numbers of children behind -- children who are the property of the patriarch, and whom many of them will never see again. If a woman is even suspected of wanting to leave, she's likely to be sent away from her kids to another compound far yonder as punishment for her rebelliousness. For a woman who's been taught all her life that motherhood is her only destiny and has no real intimacy with her husband, being separated from her children this way is a sacrifice akin to death.

At the very worst, death is indeed what awaits them. The FLDS preaches "blood atonement" -- the right of the patriarchs to kill apostates who dare to defy them, usually by slitting their throats. And they've done it: Krakauer hung his entire book on the murder of Brenda Lafferty and her year-old daughter, who were both killed by her husband's brothers because Brenda rejected (and mocked) her husband's desire to take plural wives. (Warren Jeffs also liked to rouse people out of their beds in the middle of the night for dramatic mass meetings testing their readiness for the Final Judgment -- meetings that had dark shades of Jonestown.) Brenda is the only one known to have been killed, but others who've left report being threatened with the same fate.

So ABC's reporters blather on about how these women aren't really brainwashed, because that would require coercion and being held physically against their will. One hopes that if they understood that they're holding forth about a group that routinely controls women by threatening to take away their kids -- and tells them that God justifies the slaying of wayward brides and their babies -- they'd change their minds and admit that this isn't just another odd, quaint sect on the American religious scene. Without that information, though, everything else that's going on in Texas loses much of its context.

There's a whole lot more depth and nuance to this story, and I'll try to get at some of it over the next several days. But let's start with the premise that almost nothing you're hearing in the mainstream media about this group can or should be taken at face value. Stand by for more.

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Sara Robinson blogs at Orcinus.


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THANK YOU!
Posted by: Rishy on Apr 18, 2008 11:13 AM   
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For taking the time to give this subject the serious look it requires.

I have been appalled at both the superficiality of the treatment of this subject in the MSM and the posts here on AlterNet actually supporting this sect and their atrocities.

Looking forward to reading the rest of your installments.

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Not Brainwashed but...
Posted by: EncinoM on Apr 18, 2008 11:29 AM   
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When all you know is x, and know of no other choices. When all you are told is one thing and one point of view. It is not that you loose the ability to think for yourself, but that your thought is framed in a particlure way.

Newspeak in 1984, is a great example of this. The language was changed not to prevent dissent, but to make the actual thought of dissent impossible as there was no way to express it.

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» Good example Posted by: rickiey
All Religion
Posted by: Sy Ence on Apr 18, 2008 3:14 PM   
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is a form of brainwashing. If you believe in (a) god without evidence or proof, your brain has been washed.

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» RE: All religion encourages belief without proof Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» RE: All Religion Posted by: OK Granny
» RE: All Religion Posted by: ZenQuixote
Typo in the title
Posted by: fbennion on Apr 18, 2008 6:59 PM   
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Pretty sure you meant FLDS instead of FDLS in the title, huh?

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IT'S TIME TO EDUCATE THESE GIRLS
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Apr 18, 2008 7:50 PM   
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On one hand of course they're brainwashed. But the children can definitely be salvaged and the women can leave the compound if they're willing to live in the real world. No more welfare, Medicaid, food stamps, They are all on the dole. We support their lifestyle. That would stop. To a great extent they are taken care of (by us) and don't even know it. It's time to educate them in the ways of the real world. Gotta start somewhere. Having babies at 15 is a crime. ANNA

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They're so thoroughly brainwashed,
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Apr 18, 2008 10:06 PM   
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they could host the next Dem debate on ABC.

jdfu!

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Larry King Live has been examining this.
Posted by: MamaPantz on Apr 19, 2008 6:13 AM   
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He's had a doctor who works with child abuse cases in LA on his show, as well as 2 women who escaped from these people that are telling the truth. They are explaining the way these women are coerced, and abused in more ways than one.

One of the women, who had 8 children while living in the compound in Colorado Springs, described a common practice of the fathers that creates fear in their children. They take the babies and hold them under the faucet face up, and then they spank them, and repeat the process until the baby is exhausted. This is to instill fear of their father, without remembering the incident clearly. They call it "breaking them".

The scary part is that this is just one of many compounds throughout the West and in Canada and Mexico. They're all connected and move people around. So these people are just the tip of the iceberg. It's not really fair to judge these women by our standards, as they have been born into it and the fear of damnation is much stronger than any instincts they might have that this is wrong, and any laws that they're breaking. Not to mention the threat to their children's safety, or other punishment they receive for questioning anything.

It's not exactly brainwashing, as there was nothing existing before to change. This is all they know and have no other reference point. This is systematic abuse that has spanned over many generations.

They're doing DNA testing on all the kids and adults at the compound so they can determine who the children's parents are and how old the mothers were when they had them. That alone will make their case if they find that the mothers had them underage, as it is rape.

I hope this is the beginning of dismantling this disgusting practice in all areas that it goes on. They're in Utah, Idaho, Colorado and Arizona, as well as across both borders. They have a lot of work to do.

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zombies
Posted by: fluffmuffinmom on Apr 19, 2008 9:18 AM   
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Watching the women being interviewed on Today & Larry King I was reminded of old videos of the Manson Girls. The same blank faces, monotone voices, & refusal to answer questions with anything but programmed slogans. Scary! Maybe next week they'll carve crosses into their foreheads & shave their heads.

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» RE: zombies Posted by: Blondinista
» RE: zombies Posted by: Zenobia
Brainwashed? Duh!
Posted by: Blondinista on Apr 19, 2008 10:09 AM   
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Would any woman in her right mind choose to live like that?! There's a reason why they were kept isolated from and ignorant of mainstream culture.

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Brainwashing or Oppressive Culture?
Posted by: rickiey on Apr 19, 2008 3:17 PM   
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Whats the difference? These women were so deprived of rights that they didn't even know they HAD rights, and the author wants to play semantics?

Puhleaze.

Give these women a year of speaking for themselves and doing what they want, and their attitudes will change.

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You are missing an opportunity to understand and improve yourself
Posted by: drmflorida on Apr 19, 2008 7:43 PM   
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The distinction being made here by these sociologists and social anthropologists is not unimportant. Brainwashing is a psychologic process where a person is forcibly meant to believe something in a short period of time. Socialization is a cultural process where a person is made to believe something over a long period of time.

You call it brainwashing because it is something you find to be abnormal and shocking, but the processes you mention whereby these women came upon these beliefs are not that different from the processes whereby the more typical American comes to believe things that could seem just as shocking and anti-social to the outsider. When you realize this, its easier to challenge them.

Why is it ok for our armed forces to kill hundreds of thousands of foreigners in retaliation for a terrorist attack that killed two thousand of our citizens? Why do we incarcerate people for smoking pot? Why do we enjoy watching children / women / dogs / prisoners / athletes beating each other senseless? Why is it ok that the wealthy sections of town have nicer parks, schools, streets, and better police protection?

All of these seem normal to us because it is what we have come to expect. We didn't have to be held down, drugged, or fed subliminal messages to accept these conditions. They were depicted as normal over and over and over again, and soon enough even asking the question seems strange. In fact, I'm sure their are plenty of aspects of our culture that are much more abhorant and anti-social that aren't occuring to me right now. Its not because I've been brainwashed, its because I've been socialized. Knowing that about myself, I can better recognize this, and correct it.

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Is that the word?
Posted by: talkville on Apr 20, 2008 5:41 AM   
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Rather than "brain-washing", which of course relies strictly on a metaphor associated with certain methods and practices of control, would it not seem better to use a word more historical and deep in the entire history of our human development? Indoctrination. And this has certain relationships with another word: Education. And both have a certain relationship to another concept: Knowledge. And all of them have a certain priority they all attach to Language, that is: The Word.

Dogma: control the Doctrine; control the Teaching; control the Knowledge; control the Language; control The Word. At the core is Fear, in all time and in all space. Control the norm, the average, and the mean. And, most of all, keep the Power.

Thus the Priest, the General, the Merchant, the Banker and the Thief live well and sumptuously, suckling from the boundless teat of Mother Nature and all her little children, huddling in fear and seeking safety and security from the Priest, the General, the Merchant, the Banker, the Thief -- all those Keepers of the Faith.

At FLDS in concentrated form we find the very same mechanisms found in more dilute form throughout our society. Control Information (MSM and Media in General), control Access to Information (ISP's and Telecom), control Language and Laws (attorneys, and academies) and control Power (Corporate-State, Armed Services and Police).

And those who must work 1, 2, 3 jobs and expend all their energies on producing for Power have little time think about such trifles. Food must be put on the table to keep the children alive, safe and secure. They don't have: time. Let Others think about such useless things, I've got work to do and bills to pay. And those Others do; boy! do they think about it and learn! They've got the Doctrine, the Knowledge, the Language and The Word; they know how to USE them.

And the Indoctrinated? Give them an Allowance, give them plenty of places to go and things to do to 'blow off steam' and, above all, keep them HUNGRY.

Stephen Colbert has said: "That's the Word".

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» RE: Sounds like America. Posted by: Seattle Truther
» RE: Sounds like America. Posted by: talkville
And this is different from what just about all women put up with HOW?
Posted by: wagadog on Apr 20, 2008 7:20 AM   
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Almost every feature of these women's lives is determined by someone else. They do not choose what they wear, whom they live with, when and whom they marry, or when and with whom they have sex.... Most will have no educational choices.... Everything they produce goes into a trust controlled by the patriarch: they do not even own their own labor. If they object to any of this, they're subject to losing access to the resources they need to raise their kids: they can be moved to a trailer with no heat, and given less food than more compliant wives, until they learn to "keep sweet."


No wonder the MSM does not consider this coercion -- it's what they do to their wives and daughters as a matter of course. The control of women is so ingrained in our society that it's impossible for the MSM to conceive of this as being what it really is -- coercion.

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Brainwashed MY EYE!
Posted by: weslen1 on Apr 21, 2008 8:08 AM   
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If those sleezy women were "brainwashed" they would truly believe what they are doing and have done for so many years, was RIGHT, GOOD AND LEGAL.
They KNOW BETTER. If they BELIEVED in their life style they'd be shouting to the roof tops all the sordid details and bragging about what they have done and are still trying to do to their children. Instead, they have their "talking points" and repeat them ad-nauseum. They LIE and LIE and LIE some more. There is not a MOTHER in this WORLD who loves her children who would willingly turn them over to a molester/abuser/rapist and keep her mouth shut while he abused her child. These women are corrupt and cowardly fakes. They should all be in prison along with their partners in crime. PERIOD!

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slavery is illegal
Posted by: luzmejor on Apr 21, 2008 11:58 AM   
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The polygamist Mormons believe they have found a sneaky way to pretend that religions still have a right to enslave their members. At least the women and children.

Also, in many cases, through child welfare payments, American taxpayers are forced to pay for their immoral life styles.

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