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Lieberman Creates New Imaginary Foe: Al Qaeda in Iran

Posted by Steve Benen, The Carpetbagger Report at 11:09 AM on April 3, 2008.


It’s hard not to chuckle a bit hearing Lieberman criticize Barack Obama’s “credibility” on Iraq.
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We’ve seen more than a few instances of late in which John McCain has made comments about foreign policy that didn’t make any sense, only to have Joe Lieberman intervene, whisper in his ear, and walk the Republican presidential candidate back a bit. It’s easy to get the sense that while McCain is confused about current events, Lieberman is at least vaguely aware of reality. His judgment is clearly wrong, but there’s still some attachment to reality.

But maybe this assumption is off-base, too. Consider Lieberman’s criticisms of Barack Obama on (where else?) Fox News yesterday. (Jane Hamsher has the video.)

“[L]et me say generally that Sen. Obama doesn’t come to this debate with a lot of credibility. Basically on the question of Iraq, John McCain has had the guts to stand out on his own arguing for what he thought was right. And it turned out that he was right about the surge working to improve conditions in Iraq.
“If we did what Sen. Obama wanted us to do last year, Al-Qaeda in Iran would be in control of Iraq today. The whole Middle East would be in turmoil and American security and credibility would be jeopardized.
“On the specific question of the 100 years, I think that’s an unfortunate example of the way Sen. Obama has used it, of playing political gotcha with a national security question.
“If you look at what Sen. McCain said, in that exchange, in a town-hall meeting I believe it was in New Hampshire, he wasn’t talking about a long war. He’d like to see our troops — as many of them as possible — come home as soon as possible from Iraq.

“But the fact is we’re going to need, as we have after every conflict we’ve been in — World War II, Korea, etc., we’re going want to leave troops there to secure the peace that our soldiers have won. It’s clear that’s what he meant.”

It’s hard not to chuckle a bit hearing Lieberman criticize Barack Obama’s “credibility” on Iraq. Not only was Obama right about the war, but nearly everything Lieberman said after the criticism was utterly ridiculous.

First, Lieberman’s take on history is simply mistaken. Second, his argument that the surge has worked is transparently silly.

But the real gem here is Lieberman’s argument that if we had left Iraq a year ago, “al Qaeda in Iran would be in control of Iraq today.”

I realize the Senate’s Three Stooges — McCain, Lieberman, and Graham — have been embarrassingly confused about the basics in the Middle East lately, but I’d hoped that Lieberman would be aware of the fact that there’s no such thing as “al Qaeda in Iran.” Iran is Shiite, al Qaeda is Sunni. Lieberman creating a new terrorist group — while attacking the credibility of a colleague who’s been right all along — isn’t exactly reassuring.

It’s possible that Lieberman knows this, and simply misspoke. Maybe he meant to say “al Qaeda in Iraq” and it came out “al Qaeda in Iran.” During a television interview, it’s easy to make a mistake like this.

But even if we give Lieberman the benefit of the doubt, his comments to Fox News are still nonsense. There’s simply no way AQI could take "control" of Iraq. It is, after all, a small, "fragmented, clandestine, non-Iraqi terrorist organization," which most Iraqis have already turned against.

As Joe Klein recently responded after McCain made an identical claim:

They’d be taking a country? Last time I checked, Iraq has a Shi’ite majority. McCain thinks the Shi’ites–the Mahdi Army, the Badr Corps (and yes, the Iranians)–would allow a small group of Sunni extremists to take over? In fact, as noted above, the vast majority of indigenous Iraqi Sunnis aren’t too thrilled about the AQI presence in their country, either.

The reality is AQI has no real allies in Iraq. The Kurds have no use for them, the Shiite majority has no use for murderous Sunni jihadists running around their country, and Sunnis have been rising up against AQI since before the "surge" even began. If we left, al Qaeda would "take" Iraq? Not in this reality, it won't.

So, either Lieberman was creating a new terrorist group that doesn’t exist, or he doesn’t understand the basics of what’s going in Iraq after more than five years of war.

Sure, Joe, remind us again about how those who got the war right from the start don’t “come to this debate with a lot of credibility.”

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Tagged as: iran, iraq, lieberman, terrorism, al qaeda, obama, mccain

Steve Benen is a freelance writer/researcher and creator of The Carpetbagger Report. In addition, he is the lead editor of Salon.com's Blog Report, and has been a contributor to Talking Points Memo, Washington Monthly, Crooks & Liars, The American Prospect, and the Guardian.


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the lies that lead us into iran begin
Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Apr 3, 2008 11:15 AM   
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really, joe, it's no surprise it's you doing this. yer just a traitor working for the interests another country. you certainly aren't working with the interests of ours in mind.

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Master Of Distraction
Posted by: QQOblivion on Apr 3, 2008 11:18 AM   
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Joe Liarman also thinks that the Reverend Hagee is PRO-Jew too.
Just like Dick Cheney, LIE-berman would be as Vice President: Whatever he says, whatever he claims to believe, it is best believe the exact opposite.

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The "war on terror" is a fraud
Posted by: LeftWright on Apr 3, 2008 11:36 AM   
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"Al-Qaeda" is a manufactured myth used to target regimes and resources for removal and confiscation.

Turkish intelligence calls "al-Qaeda" a codename for a western intelligence operation.

The Former Foreign Minister of Egypt, Mohamed Hassanein Heikal, said this:

"Bin Laden does not have the capabilities for an operation of this magnitude. When I hear Bush talking about al-Qaida as if it was Nazi Germany or the communist party of the Soviet Union, I laugh because I know what is there. Bin Laden has been under surveillance for years: every telephone call was monitored and al-Qaida has been penetrated by American intelligence, Pakistani intelligence, Saudi intelligence, Egyptian intelligence. They could not have kept secret an operation that required such a degree of organisation and sophistication."

The Former Chief of Staff of the Pakistani Army, General Mirza Aslam Beg, had this to say about bin Laden, al-Qaeda and 9/11:

"Many of us in this region believe that Osama or his al-Qaeda were not responsible for 11 September attacks in New York and Washington, yet the coalition led by United States is busy on ‘Afghan bashing,’ chasing objectives, which go much beyond Osama bin Laden. The information which is now coming up, goes to prove that involvement by the ‘rogue elements’ of the U.S. military and intelligence organization is getting more obvious. Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda definitely do not have the knowhow and the capability to launch such operations involving such high precision coordination, based on information and expertise." (EIR, December 10, 2001)

If you go to patriotsquestion911.com you will find scores of very credible experts who question 9/11 and the role of "al-Qaeda", including people like Hosni Mubarak and Pervez Musharraf, the presidents of Egypt and Pakistan, respectively.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

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» the power of nightmares Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» RE: the power of nightmares Posted by: rinthy
Israeli shill
Posted by: buddyedgewood on Apr 3, 2008 12:06 PM   
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When will everyone realize and just come out and say it: Lieberman is a tool and a shill for Israel? Everything this man does is in the best interest of his real constituents, Israel. What do you expect from a man that has the word 'lie' in his name?

Here's a joke:

One night, after a televised debate, John McCain and Barack Obama ran into each other backstage.

"You know, John," said Obama, "out there in the debates you and I are damaging each other's reputation. Why don't we settle this contest like men? You and I will have our own private competition, and then whoever loses will endorse the other candidate."

"What type of competition do you have in mind?" asked McCain.

"A game of basketball," said Obama.

"No way," said McCain with a grin. "You're a foot taller than me - it wouldn't be fair."

"O.K.," said Obama. "Then how about a foot race?"

"No, that's not fair either," said McCain. "I'm twenty years older than you, and I don't have much endurance left."

"Well what would you propose?" asked Obama.

"How about a speed-talking contest?" said McCain. "We'll both be given a speech, and whoever reads it fastest wins."

"No, that's not fair to me," said Obama. "I can only talk out of one side of my mouth."

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Oceania is at war with Eastasia.
Posted by: NthnBrazil on Apr 3, 2008 12:39 PM   
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Oceania is at war with Eastasia.
Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
Eurasia is our ally. Eurasia has always been our ally.
Everything fades into mist.
The past is erased, the erasure forgotten.
A lie becomes truth and then becomes a lie again.

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I finally got it....
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Apr 3, 2008 6:19 PM   
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No Al Queda in Iraq before we invaded... no Al Queda in Iran... unless, of course, we invade.

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the tail is wagging the dog
Posted by: fonn on Apr 3, 2008 8:31 PM   
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If you think America is a free country then think again. America is run by the zionists and Lie-berman is one of their many agents who dictate to America what it should do, many times to the detriment of America itself. If American people weren't so dumb they would have shown shits like Lie-berman the door a long time ago.

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calling the kettle black?
Posted by: luzmejor on Apr 4, 2008 3:46 PM   
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UMM, well, in answer to Joe:

"If we did what Sen. Obama wanted us to do last year, Al-Qaeda in Iran would be in control of Iraq today. The whole Middle East would be in turmoil and American security and credibility would be jeopardized."

We did what Republicans thought good and it turns out to be exactly the same tragedy in Iraq and the ME, except Iran isn't as involved as the US is, in it. And Al Quaeda is living high in Afghanistan instead!

Someone should remind Joe that they had a chance to get al Quaeda in Iraq and failed miserably, possibly deliberately too.

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