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Why Is Bush Suddenly Ready to Make a Deal on FISA? Ask the House Democrats

Posted by Steve Benen, The Carpetbagger Report at 1:16 PM on April 1, 2008.


And what about telecom immunity?
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Much to everyone’s surprise, House Democrats simply wouldn’t budge a month ago when the Bush administration demanded that Congress pass a permanent “Protect America Act” — with retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies. The law expired, the president threw a fit, and lawmakers broke for a two-week spring recess.

Throughout the debate, especially after the PAA expired, the White House frequently and publicly emphasized a two-word message to Democratic leaders on the Hill: No Compromise. The House would pass exactly what the administration wanted, and no substitutes would be accepted. All the while, the Bush gang would fudge the facts, question Dems’ patriotism, and do their level best to scare the bejeezus out of the public.

And House Dems still wouldn’t back down. In an even more startling surprise, the White House is now willing to at least talk about bipartisan cooperation. (I’m going to work under the assumption that this is not an April Fool’s joke.)

The White House, seeking to break a months-long standoff, has signaled to Democratic lawmakers it is open to negotiation over a proposal to expand government spy powers, according to officials familiar with the conversations. […]
Over the two-week spring recess, administration officials contacted Democratic leaders to suggest they were open to compromise on updating the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. “We definitely want to get it done,” said White House spokesman Tony Fratto. “We’ve had some initial conversations with Congress about the need to get FISA reform done quickly.” He added that Mr. Bush still prefers the Senate measure, which the White House negotiated with Senate Democrats. […]
The White House’s more conciliatory posture reflects a recognition that the Bush administration’s leverage on national-security matters has slipped since this past summer, a top Republican congressional aide said. “There’s a recognition that if they’re actually going to get a product they can support, there’s going to have to be some new level of engagement,” the aide said.

You don’t say.

And what about telecom immunity? Paul Kiel explains:

Some Dems are floating “a pared-back version of immunity,” such as limiting immunity to certain aspects of the program or capping possible damages. Talks about other aspects of the legislation, for instance concerning judicial oversight of surveillance, might come more easily.
But the reason for the White House’s new tack is pretty clear: they used every weapon at their disposal — presidential statements and press conferences, alarming letters and public appearances by the director of national intelligence and attorney general, time pressures created by the lapsing of legislation or a Congressional recess — and none of it worked. The House, after all that, still passed a bill a world away from what the administration was pushing for. It was, as the Journal points out, a strikingly different outcome from August, when the White House’s squeeze play worked to perfection.

And what prompted the White House to deign to reach out to Pelosi & Co.? One factor was clearly the notion that the administration came to believe House Dems simply weren’t going to budge. (Note to Dems: I wish you guys had realized this sooner.)

Another factor, Kiel notes, is that lawmakers had been negotiating with Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell, but Dems have come to realize that he’s simply not reliable.

Whatever the motivation, the White House’s sudden willingness to negotiate is a pleasant surprise and an encouraging step in the right direction. Don’t blow it, Dems.

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Tagged as: bush, bush administration, fisa, democratic congress, warrantless wiretapping, telecom immunity

Steve Benen is a freelance writer/researcher and creator of The Carpetbagger Report. In addition, he is the lead editor of Salon.com's Blog Report, and has been a contributor to Talking Points Memo, Washington Monthly, Crooks & Liars, The American Prospect, and the Guardian.


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So! Wonders never cease!
Posted by: Quannah on Apr 1, 2008 2:17 PM   
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Amazing... so, the threats aren't working anymore? So, Bush is willing to "compromise" now? Since when does Bush ever compromise! Something's fishy here with this. Why, all of a sudden, does Bush need this bill passed? And, I don't believe for one second that he will sign a bill that doesn't give absolute immunity to the telecoms.

We aren't getting the whole story on this yet. There has got to be some catch. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

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» RE: So! Wonders never cease! Posted by: wwittman
» RE: So! Wonders never cease! Posted by: Quannah
» Signing Statements Posted by: james2021
» Signing Statements Posted by: james2021
Skeptical
Posted by: QQOblivion on Apr 1, 2008 2:22 PM   
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If by "compromise", the White House and congressional Dems mean "give in to Bush completely", then, yes, I think they are ready to compromise.
Otherwise, I a very skeptical, VERY skeptical, that this will work out.

And why is a bill that allows secret spying on Americans by the government, with or without everything in the bill the White House wants, a source of joy for us on the Left now? Have we lost it!?

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» RE: Skeptical Posted by: willymack
Can you say Signing Statements?
Posted by: chuckjs on Apr 1, 2008 3:01 PM   
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I am sure he is more than willing to approve a law and then, through singing statements, adopt his own personal interpretation that includes telecom immunity.

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» Of Course! -- Bush has... Posted by: QQOblivion
Compromise is unwelcome and unecessary in this matter
Posted by: Rune on Apr 1, 2008 3:10 PM   
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When the Carnivore program (which was under way while Bill Clinton was still in office) came to the attention of the Congress (which was then under the control of Republicans), the lawmakers made it clear that such a program was antithetical to the rights of common citizens and they banned it. The Bush administration immediately disregarded the will of Congress, as it has so many times since, and broke the program into pieces spread around various agencies and carried on with the illegal scheme. When the Bush administration was eventually outed by the New York Times, they pretended that they were confident that the whole program was aimed at foreign terrorist suspects and that there was no doubt in their minds that it was all legal, although it has since been learned that their was vigorous dissent on that matter. But the important point is, the Bush administration has never cared at all whether the program was illegal, they were (and are) going to do it anyhow.

So, then, what is the burning interest in updating the law surrounding this issue when the Bushies have repeatedly made it clear they believe they are against the law? Obviously, the one and only point of interest, here, is to get immunity for the telecom companies that collaborated with the Bush administration because, even with all the improper and illegal things they manage to get away with, these corporations are not above the law and could be forced to spill the beans on how the Bush administration violated the rights of citizens and the intent of Congress in pursuing this domestic spying program that would be the envy of the old Soviet KGB. That is the whole story. All the hand waving about needing tools to catch "the enemy" is just an obvious bluff. I mean, look, the House gave the president pretty much what he wanted (and what the Bill of Rights forbids) regarding the ability to spy on Americans and Bush vetoed it because it didn't have the one and only thing he wants: an out for the telecom's who will otherwise be sued and forced to come clean about the administration's illegal, domestic spy program.

The House has already discovered that it can give the president all the "tools" he says he wants without him actually signing the deal into law without losing a grip on the one of the biggest threats the Democrats have over Bush: the prospect of outing his administration for wiretaps that make the Watergate eavesdropping look like a joke by comparison.

So, why compromise? If the corporations are truly innocent, they should be able to move for summary judgment to establish that and be done with the cases against them. If the corporations were duped into thinking they were following lawful orders to help spy on their customers, they can demonstrate that, too, and shift the real burden to the Bush administration. And if the telecom companies were a little too eager to play along, well, justice demands that they pay for their misdeeds, and the administration should not be allowed to have the Justice Department play a corrupting game of politics with citizens rights yet again. Meanwhile, the House has nothing to lose and a lot of good will of voters to just months before they day when every seat in the House will be up for election.

If this matter is settled through a compromise it will be due to some sort of selling out of the rights of citizens. That should be punished harshly when campaign contributions and votes are solicited.

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Do not forget what these fascists did
Posted by: PaulC on Apr 1, 2008 3:21 PM   
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Why do these articles repeat the lie that Bush is pushing for FISA "reform" - he wants to gut the whole FISA process and allow an already out of control DOJ, NSA, CIA and FBI and god knows how many other secret alphabetical acronyms are working out there to deny us our liberties.

I just heard Amy Goodman interview Eric Lichtblau from the NYTimes, who with James Risen first broke the warrantless wiretapping scandal, talking about how the FBI had something like 250 dosiers on as many peaceful anti-war groups. Apparently Der Fuhrer Dick Cheney, following 9/11, instructed all agencies to adopt the attitude that anyone who so much as speaks out against the war is to be considered a potential threat! Further, all aspects of civil society were to be thrown together, watch lists of who is riding what flight to what destination, watch lists and photos of students or anyone else engaging in social activities not deemed desirable by the fascist-in-chief - whatever, there were no limits.

And do not forget the strongarm tactics used during this time period against peaceful protests from New York to Miami, not necessarily even related to protesting the war - use of undercover police and FBI to infiltrate all manner of lawful civil groups and to physically go after them with the intent of disrupting their efforts to peacefully assemble - efforts including mass false arrest, herding protesters into remote fenced-in "camps" out of sight of targeted events, physically blocking access to publicized meeting places with road blocks, targeting and arresting leaders, firing on crowds with rubber bullets and beating people with battons without provocation, spraying pepper spray in the eyes of people who were already in custody under restraint, throwing tear gas canisters into first aid station tents, and so on.

Or the reporters such as Helen Thomas and Eric Lichtblau, as well, who had their White House access restricted or their passes confiscated because they were asking the wrong sorts of questions.

Or all the professionals in DOJ and just about every other branch of government who were retaliated against for speaking out or standing up against unlawful activities.

And this is what all the furor is about - these guys basically going all Nazi on us and they don't want us to really understand what was, and still is, going on.

This is not some sort of game - this is the whole ball of wax, and the Senate caved without a whimper while the House held, just barely at the very last moment due to strong outpourings of discontent from voters. Where is the justice? Where is the accountability? Why is none of this being discussed? Where are the hearings?

We must not allow ourselves the luxury of treating this lightly, especially since it is not yet over.

peace,
Paul

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no immunity
Posted by: cwilsondrum on Apr 1, 2008 3:49 PM   
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for anybody! I want the truth about what these ctminals were really doing spying on citizen's. and the telecoms helping for what? It had nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do with keeping the lid on the fascist activities of these bunch of miscreants.

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» RE: no immunity Posted by: Doubtom
Bush is worried about the telecom response to being sued.
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 1, 2008 6:52 PM   
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That's why he is so desperate to reach a compromise. If the telecoms are sued in a class-action lawsuit (join up!), and do not have immunity, then they will only have one tactic available to them: plead national security, and transfer the responsibility to the government - and to do that, they will have to produce documents - documents which may be classified, and which Bush doesn't want to see revealed, probably because they implicate him and his Administration in illegal activities.

In this area, the case to watch is Qwest ex-CEO Joseph Naccio's insider-trading case that he alleges is retalitation for his refusal to go along with the warrantless NSA spying program - seven months before 9/11, that is.

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IMPEACH THIS FUCKER NOW
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Apr 2, 2008 12:41 AM   
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.

jdfu!

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Don't believe a word of it!
Posted by: profmarcus on Apr 2, 2008 3:23 AM   
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how many times have we read news stories about bush "backing down," "softening up," taking a "conciliatory stance," "signaling a willingness to 'cooperate'"...? huh...?? how many times...? and how many times was it nothing but a goddam smoke screen, a deliberate red herring to make everybody let down their guard...? huh...?? how many times...?

slowly, now... repeat after me...

N O T H I N G...H A S...C H A N G E D...!

And, yes, I DO take it personally

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What he said!
Posted by: Tompatriot on Apr 2, 2008 4:08 AM   
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If you want impeachment the only way is to deny the Dem's money. No impeachment. No MONEY! It's the only thing they understand.

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» Open mouth,..., insert foot. Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
Before I get cynical
Posted by: spipenge on Apr 2, 2008 5:04 AM   
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but I can understand why people are, it seems to me that this is a simple case of what happens when the Dems show an ounce of balls. The Administration's actions are typical of a bully's action. When a bully is challenged, it backs down.

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Beware of "Bipartisanship"
Posted by: JosephHill on Apr 2, 2008 8:48 AM   
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>>>
If this matter is settled through a compromise it will be due to some sort of selling out of the rights of citizens. That should be punished harshly when campaign contributions and votes are solicited.
>>>>

AMEN, Rune! If the Dem "leadership" think they can finesse their way out of a tough spot by 'compromising' on something that they think voters might not notice, they had better be prepared to answer to those of us who DO notice.

We'd better be prepared to read ALL the 'fine print' on any compromise Bush and the Dems agree to. We already know that the Bush gang are out to screw the American people...but a lot of folks still (for some absurd reason) look on the Democrats as their "friends" and protectors.

I know.....it boggles my mind, too!
-------------------------------------

"Democrats: a moment of dissent, a lifetime of capitulation." --
Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

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stormy7
Posted by: dpodlogar on Apr 2, 2008 9:29 AM   
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NO COMPROMISE! THE TELECOMMUNICATION COMPANIES KNOWING BROKE THE LAW. BUSH AND COMPANY KNOWINGLY BROKE THE LAW.
INDICT IMPEACH IMPRISON

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» RE: stormy7 Posted by: alternetrose
why don't they
Posted by: walldodger1969 on Apr 2, 2008 10:47 AM   
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Impeach their A$$E$ ,then they wouldn't have to worry about votes. Hell tie the congress up, with impeachment till the election ,the country would probably be better off.

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» RE: why don't they Posted by: willymack
This is the reason he is ready to deal!Michael Mukasey's tearful lies!
Posted by: indepentent on Apr 2, 2008 2:42 PM   
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Officials "shouldn't need a warrant when somebody with a phone in Iraq picks up a phone and calls somebody in the United States because that's the call that we may really want to know about. And before 9/11, that's the call that we didn't know about. We knew that there has been a call from someplace that was known to be a safe house in Afghanistan and we knew that it came to the United States. We didn't know precisely where it went."

At that point in his answer, Mr. Mukasey grimaced, swallowed hard, and seemed to tear up as he reflected on the weaknesses in America's anti-terrorism strategy prior to the 2001 attacks. "We got three thousand. . . . We've got three thousand people who went to work that day and didn't come home to show for that," he said, struggling to maintain his composure.

These are multiple falsehoods here, and independently, this whole claim makes no sense. There is also a pretty startling new revelation here about the Bush administration's pre-9/11 failure that requires a good amount of attention.

Even under the "old" FISA, no warrants are required where the targeted person is outside the U.S. (Afghanistan) and calls into the U.S. Thus, if it's really true, as Mukasey now claims, that the Bush administration knew about a Terrorist in an Afghan safe house making Terrorist-planning calls into the U.S., then they could have -- and should have -- eavesdropped on that call and didn't need a warrant to do so. So why didn't they? Mukasey's new claim that FISA's warrant requirements prevented discovery of the 9/11 attacks and caused the deaths of 3,000 Americans is disgusting and reckless, because it's all based on the lie that FISA required a warrant for targeting the "Afghan safe house." It just didn't. Nor does the House FISA bill require individual warrants when targeting a non-U.S. person outside the U.S.

Independently, even if there had been a warrant requirement for that call -- and there unquestionably was not -- why didn't the Bush administration obtain a FISA warrant to listen in on 9/11-planning calls from this "safe house"? Independently, why didn't the administration invoke FISA's 72-hour emergency warrantless window to listen in on those calls? If what Muskasey said this week is true -- and that's a big "if" -- his revelation about this Afghan call that the administration knew about but didn't intercept really amounts to one of the most potent indictments yet about the Bush administration's failure to detect the plot in action. Contrary to his false claims, FISA -- for multiple reasons -- did not prevent eavesdropping on that call.

According to today's admiring Wall St. Journal Editorial, this is what Mukasey said on that subject:

The AG also addressed why immunity from lawsuits is vital for the telecom companies that cooperated with the surveillance after 9/11. "Forget the liability" the phone companies face, Mr. Mukasey said. "We face the prospect of disclosure in open court of what they did, which is to say the means and the methods by which we collect foreign intelligence against foreign targets." Al Qaeda would love that.
Mike Mukasey was a long-time federal judge and so I feel perfectly comfortable calling that what it is: a brazen lie. Federal courts hear classified information with great regularity and it is not heard in "open court." There are numerous options available to any federal judge to hear classified information -- closed courtrooms, in camera review (in chambers only), ex parte communications (communications between one party and the judge only). No federal judge -- and certainly not Vaughn Walker, the Bush 41 appointee presiding over the telecom cases -- is going to allow "disclosure in open court of . . . . the means and the methods by which we collect foreign intelligence." And Mukasey knows that.

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PT @ This is the reason he is ready to deal!Michael Mukasey's tearful lies!
Posted by: indepentent on Apr 2, 2008 2:44 PM   
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Worse, FISA itself (50 USC 1806(f)) explicitly provides that telecoms are permitted to present any evidence in support of their defenses in secret (both in camera and ex parte) to the judge and let the judge decide the case based on it. Just go read 50 USC 1806(f) of FISA; it's as clear as day. In fact, it doesn't merely permit, but explicitly requires, the federal judge to review evidence in secret whenever the Attorney General requests that ("the United States district court in the same district . . . shall, notwithstanding any other law, if the Attorney General files an affidavit under oath that disclosure or an adversary hearing would harm the national security of the United States, review in camera and ex parte the application the application, order, and such other materials relating to the surveillance.").

Beyond that, the key provision of the House's FISA bill expressly provides that any classified information in the telecom lawsuits shall be submitted in secret to the federal judge. Mukasey's claims that these lawsuits will result in disclosure of classified information in open court is a complete lie -- term used very advisedly.

Worse still, think about what Mukasey is actually saying. His argument means that government officials must be free to break the law in a classified intelligence setting with impunity, because we can't risk subjecting them to a court of law since, presumably, we can't trust our country's federal judges with classified information and so it's preferable to allow lawbreaking by our highest government officials. That's a pretty extraordinary -- and pretty reprehensible -- argument for a former federal judge and current Attorney General to be making. I hope Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer are very proud.
salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/29/mukasey/index.html

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