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Superdelegates Hiding from Wrath of Clintons

Posted by Pam Spaulding, Pam's House Blend at 5:02 AM on March 31, 2008.


I'm not sure at this point if there are any Clinton friends who they aren't willing to vilify or toss under the bus for political gain.
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Will these superdelegates come out of the political closet? Mike Lux at Open Left, on fearful superdelegates who want support Obama but would prefer to not publicly declare lest they piss the Clinton machine off:

There are plenty of people in the Democratic Party who think Hillary Clinton would make a better President, and/or a better general election candidate, than Barack Obama. There are also some folks who endorsed Hillary early on, and believe you have to stick with the candidate you endorse until the bitter end. There are even a few, although the number is shrinking daily, who still have not genuinely made up their mind. And some superdelegates in the remaining states want to wait for the voters in their own state to vote before they declare. But there are very few people I talk to who think Hillary can win without an utterly divisive fight that will likely tear the party apart. They know that from the perspective of what's best for the party, it's time to endorse Obama.

What those remaining undeclared folks are telling me in private, though, is that they hope the race will play itself out and Obama will emerge as the clear winner so that they don't have to piss the Clintons and their machine off.

They don't want the Clintons and McAuliffe and those donors who signed the letter to stop raising money for them. They don't want Carville and Wolfson to call them a traitor. They don't want all the behind-the-scenes trashing that they know will come.

I am encouraging my friends to come out of their political closet. If all the superdelegates and other influential friends that I have talked to who believe that the best path for the party is for Obama to win a clear victory would come out in is favor, this thing really would be over.

I think this tells you a lot about the kind of rep the Clinton team has -- no one is making it up; these folks have dealt with them before and know that the Clintonistas hold political grudges and don't mind bashing kneecaps of their "friends" when the going gets tough. We all know what happened when Bill Richardson, a long time friend and former Clinton cabinet member, decided to endorse Obama. Out trotted Carville with that "Judas" comment. The superdelegates are hoping for things to sort out so they don't have deal with the fallout.

I'm not sure at this point if there are any Clinton friends who they aren't willing to vilify or toss under the bus for political gain. The one exception seems to be high-priced Mark Penn, who they keep on the team despite his horrible, bottom-feeding political "strategy." I have to think the reason he's not been tossed over isn't loyalty, but that he must have some serious info about the Clintons that they are afraid will come out if their thug-for-hire is dissed.

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Yes they are
Posted by: foreverhope on Mar 31, 2008 8:06 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Thank you for this, I have been thinking the same thing since Richardson spoke up. It takes substantial conviction and guts for Richardson, Dodd, or any Super Ds to endorse Obama. They are going against the 'traditional' dem party, and how dare they (WE)!

Obama's favorablity is higher than ever, AND he has indeed been 'vetted'. I wonder what will happen next?

This is the strangest election ever but, in the end, Barack Obama WILL be the next president of the United States of America!

The dem party is being 'vetted' in this primary. All those lovely new voters joining in!

The New Democratic Party of the 21st century is evolving before our eyes!

YIPEEEEEEEEEE!!!

GO BARACK!

"For nothing is fixed, forever and forever and forever, it is not fixed; the earth is always shifting, the light is always changing, the sea does not cease to grind down rock. Generations do not cease to be born, and we are responsible to them because we are the only witnesses they have. The sea rises, the light fails, lovers cling to each other, and children cling to us. The moment we cease to hold each other, the sea engulfs us and the light goes out."

~James Baldwin~



"The whole course of human history may depend on a change of heart in one solitary and even humble individual - for it is in the solitary mind and soul of the individual that the battle between good and evil is waged and ultimately won or lost."

~M. Scott Peck~

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» RE: Yes they are Posted by: ecoflame
It works both ways
Posted by: DreamFast on Mar 31, 2008 10:45 AM   
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I suggest Hillary Clinton consider her political future.

If this nominee process erodes the Democratic party and splits it much further, particularly if Obama ultimately comes out the winner, Hillary will be blamed and she will become a political pariah, disrespected by her party and shunned by her colleagues in the Senate.

Some will sing "ding dong the witch is dead" while others will paint her as Christ crucified, and the malignancy will grow.

She should stand down and become the Democratic unifying hero she should be dreaming to be.

As it now stands, Bill Clinton's legacy has already be tainted, and with Obama as the true "first black president" Clinton's legacy will be but a speed bump in the pages of history.

Perhaps that's why the Clinton's are fighting with such hubristic desparation.

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It works both ways
Posted by: DreamFast on Mar 31, 2008 10:47 AM   
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I suggest Hillary Clinton consider her political future.

If this nominee process erodes the Democratic party and splits it much further, particularly if Obama ultimately comes out the winner, Hillary will be blamed and she will become a political pariah, disrespected by her party and shunned by her colleagues in the Senate.

Some will sing "ding dong the witch is dead" while others will paint her as Christ crucified, and the malignancy will grow.

She should stand down and become the Democratic unifying hero she should be dreaming to be.

As it now stands, Bill Clinton's legacy has already be tainted, and with Obama as the true "first black president" Clinton's legacy will be but a speed bump in the pages of history.

Perhaps that's why the Clintons are fighting with such hubristic desparation.

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All this talk about Clinton Splitting the party
Posted by: fratricide08 on Apr 1, 2008 3:26 AM   
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is pure bs. It's the type of talk that infuriates supporters and risks hardening support even further. Think about it, "you wanna blame us for a split? Fine we'll give you one."

What's really going to lead to defeat in November and party division is if Obama surrogates and party elders push Clinton out or give the perception that they've decided this election before the primaries end.

What's happening right now is Clinton supporters are watching as the party attempts to surreptitiously force her out through such things as media pressure, the not so subtle hints of how supers should vote from party officials, and endorsements. There is a growing sense among many that the party is trying to close ranks around a favorite and force an illegitimate victory by skewing the results in PA and/or robbing the remaining states of their chance to vote. Let me be clear, there are a LOT of Clinton supporters that will not support Obama *if* he doesn't win this outright and any appearance that this has been decided by the party and that the voters don't matter (which all these calls for her to withdraw reinforce) will all but guarantee a split.

The process must play out if either candidate is going to be seen as a legitimate victor.

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» Sob, sob! Poor, poor Hillary Clinton. Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» Hardly matters Posted by: foreverhope
» fratricide08 Posted by: Prairie Waif
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» RE: fratricide08 Posted by: Prairie Waif
» RE: fratricide08 Posted by: fratricide08
» RE: fratricide08 Posted by: foreverhope
Party re-building starts at the grass roots
Posted by: hagwind on Apr 1, 2008 4:48 AM   
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So maybe these sooper-dooper-delegates could develop some guts? Yeah, I know they're not "grassroots" in the literal sense, but still . . . It's going to take more than courageous leadership to transform the Democratic Party and the country at large. Maybe these mid-level functionaries could take a few cues (and clues) from those of us who've learned over the years that when you can't buy what you want you have to stand up and organize for it -- and that the "people, united" are harder to pick off than a bunch of cowering individuals.

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I was willing to give Bill
Posted by: cisc on Apr 1, 2008 5:49 AM   
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the "greatest politician ever", BUT, if the 90's were good-there was also NAFTA, welfare reform (the kind for poor people, not corporations), and media consolidation. Bills great success was at the expense of working and poor people. I could let a lot of the blame go to the gingrich/delay revolution-Bill did have to work with a republican congress. The defining moment for me with the Clintons, however, was when they knee-capped Al Gore in preparation for this run for Hillary. That started before the end of the Clinton administration. We could have been coming to the end of the Gore administration. We would be in a totally different world. After everything the Gores did for the Clintons when they first came to The Village-that is how the Clintons repaid them. The Clintons found 8 years of a bush more acceptable. The Clintons are brilliant politicians-but we need brilliant Statesmen. Al Gore was and is a brilliant Statesman, just as Jimmy Carter was and is. They are not an easy sell to a fast food nation but Dear God how low can we be taken before we quit buying the crap? There is no bottom to the pit bush/cheney have dragged this nation into and we take it because they did it with a manly swagger-no wonder they have such contempt for the people they are supposed to serve! After years of dobson/falwell/robertson, I'm sorry-the Jeremiah Wright "controversy" just reeks of hypocrisy (and bait and switch racism). I want very badly to see a woamn President before I die, but not this woman and NOT at this time

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Agent of change?
Posted by: toddcory on Apr 1, 2008 6:32 AM   
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I find it quite hypocritical that while the Clinton machine plays the same old dirty politics they dare to call themselves agents of change. Give me a fucking break!

It is time to end this charade. Hillary lost, time to move on.

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» RE: Agent of change? Posted by: willymack
Oh, Please; Stop This 'Crap"
Posted by: Andie927 on Apr 1, 2008 6:40 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Disclaimer: I do NOT, have NOT will NOT, Support either Dem. they are BOTH Corporatist/Centrists! I am a Popularist/Progressive; they aren't even 'close' on the issues!

How much 'Courage' does it take After, Kennedy's & Kerry?? Esspecially After, Mass. Voters Said NO!! We heard all those 'Words' Before (Duval), and no Action!

Please listen to yourselves, you all sound like a bunch of Republican Kool-aid drinking Sheepel!!Wake-Up call!!

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» RE: Oh, Please; Stop This 'Crap" Posted by: Prairie Waif
Get over yourself
Posted by: BST on Apr 1, 2008 7:09 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I am a Democrat and I think the blather about the Democratic Party being torn apart is patently absurd, a sound-bite that gathered steam without merit.

This is an exciting race with two terrific contenders, each with their own albeit- shifting support base, a swell example to the rest of the world about Democracy at its best and a time for the rest of us to sit back and enjoy the show.

Quit the abysmal whining about the Party being broken. In fact, the Party is alive and well and more robust than it has been in a long time, robust enough to embrace two incredible candidates, each of whom is making history by coming this far.

The Democrats have been far more broken before this juncture. We whined about lumps on our oatmeal and all the wonderful things we'd do once in power and then, whump, we grabbed the power and fizzled with Pelosi at the helm.

This race is fantastic, the Clintons are the Clintons -- they're bright, annoying, savvy, capable and they, like Obama, have spent loads of money. Why should they drop out when they have a (very slim) chance still of winning?

I believe the people who bemoan a broken Party are people who may have difficulty handling uncertainty over a lengthy period of time.

Get over it. Buck up. This is the race of a lifetime with two excellent horses coming down the home stretch.

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» RE: Get over yourself Posted by: hagwind
Bobby Decker
Posted by: Bobby Decker on Apr 1, 2008 8:11 AM   
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" THROW MAMA FROM THE TRAIN "

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» RE: Bobby Decker Posted by: DreamFast
» RE: Bobby Decker Posted by: ThinkAmerica
Democrats Beware: Clinton Can't Win Independents
Posted by: SkeeterVT1 on Apr 1, 2008 2:23 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
As an independent voter, I can't help but to note that Hillary Clinton has, to date, failed to draw the support of independent voters, whom, according to exit polls, have gone for Barack Obama in the Democratic primaries and caucuses by a better than two-to-one margin.

With independents forming the backbone of John McCain's steamroll over his more conservative and better-financed opponents for the GOP nomination, it's pretty clear that independents want to see an Obama-McCain match-up in November.

Both major parties need to remember that independent voters make up a third of the general electorate -- which means that neither the Democratic nor the Republican presidential nominee can win the November election without independents' support.

Bottom line: It's the independents -- NOT the Republicans, NOT the Democrats -- who will have the last word in determining who gets the keys to the White House.

And since Clinton has failed to gain the support of independents, the Democratic Party would be making a fatal mistake if it awards its presidential nomination to Clinton.

This is a reality that the Democrats simply cannot ignore.

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NC resident
Posted by: Doc Love on Apr 1, 2008 4:05 PM   
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Spoken like someone who has already VOTED!!! Obama is a little to slimy for my tastes. Me think he hids to much!

Doc Love

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Superdelegates -- they are either evil or they are impotent
Posted by: janvdb on Apr 1, 2008 5:03 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Governors, senators OK OK. But these hundreds of small-time, DNC-paycheck-gripping, gotta-be-someone's-kid little operatchik "Chairperson of Students for Whales" telling us who will be our candidate?

Look, either these "super" people can acceptably reverse the vote of the people (the "pledged" delegates) and plunk down on us the anointed-by-the-elites candidate regardless of whether we the voters like it or not or they have NO PURPOSE.

Unless we want this phallanx of lackies to one day do the single thing they could ever have been created to do -- deny us the candidate we have voted for -- we need to BE RID OF THEM NOW.

Pick one -- they are evil or they are impotent.

OUT WITH THEM!!

Jan VanDenBerg

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Help me out here
Posted by: Sissy on Apr 3, 2008 5:51 AM   
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You read/hear all the time about the wrath of the Clinton's. So what? Would somebody please tell me what they will do to you? Are we talking about a godfather here who will send his thugs to beat you up if you cross them?

Pardon my stupidity here buddies, but I really and truly cannot for the life of me figure out why the hell anyone should be skeered of these two? They must wield a huge amount of power that I'm not aware of and can really hurt your person if so much angst is caused with their displeasure.....

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THINKAMERICA
Posted by: ThinkAmerica on Apr 5, 2008 12:49 PM   
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Obamaniacs would cover the world with smoke and mirrors to try and make Barack Hussein Obama look good, regardless of all his lies and ties to radical anti-Americans. Obama could butcher a kitten on the White House lawn and his followers would try to make it look like a good thing. He, along with Dean and Pelosi, are destroying the Democratic Party.

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» RE: THINKAMERICA Posted by: Betsyny
THINKAMERICA
Posted by: ThinkAmerica on Apr 5, 2008 12:56 PM   
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Obama threw his "typical white grandmother" under the bus---guess the train is next!

He used his grandmother to reflect away from the radical, anti-American, Jeremiah Wright, who has been his friend-mentor for 20 years. Obama also has ties to Resko, Ayers and Farrakhan, among other anti-Americans with terrorist backgrounds. Obama's wife has also made anti-American statements.

Obama only tells the truth AFTER he gets caught!

Be careful who you vote for.

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» RE: THINKAMERICA Posted by: Betsyny