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Howard Dean: Dems' Supporter Squabbling Is Demoralizing Base

Posted by Jon Ponder, Pensito Review at 4:15 AM on March 28, 2008.


Dean also says he has a plan for resolving the superdelegate conundrum.
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Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean says infighting between supporters of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama threatens the party’s chances for winning the White House in November:

“You do not want to demoralize the base of the Democratic Party by having the Democrats attack each other,” he said Thursday during the interview in his office at Democratic National Committee headquarters. “Let the media and the Republicans and the talking heads on cable television attack and carry on, fulminate at the mouth. The supporters should keep their mouths shut about this stuff on both sides because that is harmful to the potential victory of a Democrat.”

Dean says he has a plan for resolving the superdelegate conundrum:

Dean wouldn’t talk in detail about what the plan is, but it likely involves encouraging superdelegates to pick a candidate shortly after the voting ends. He said he will not encourage any delegate to vote one way or another.
“I am going to stand up for the rules, and I know I’m doing the right thing most of the time because I’ve got both Clinton people and Obama people mad at me,” he said.
For instance, while Obama’s campaign has been encouraging superdelegates to support the candidate with the most pledged delegates -- which almost certainly will be Obama -- Dean says the rules don’t require that and superdelegates are free to chose who they want.
On the other side, Clinton has been arguing lately that even pledged delegates -- awarded to a candidate based on the outcome of state contests -- aren’t bound to vote for that candidate at the convention. Dean called that “a very technical argument.”

“You aren’t going to get pledged delegates to move unless something really shocking happens,” he said. And he thinks it unlikely the superdelegates would support a candidate who did not have the most pledged delegates.

And he commented on the Florida and Michigan controversies:

Florida and Michigan Democrats brazenly violated party rules by holding primaries ahead of schedule and lost their delegates to the convention as punishment. Both states are now demanding that they not be shut out of the decision-making process because of it…
Dean … said the Michigan and Florida delegates will be seated at the convention. But he won’t force a resolution because he said there’s nothing the Obama and Clinton campaigns can support at this point.
“You bring both sides together and say, `Don’t you think it’s time that the two campaigns made a deal on how we’re going to do this?’” Dean said. “Let me just say that the campaigns believe that kind of a deal is premature right now.”

In 2007, Dean and the DNC raised a record $51 million, but now only has a $4.5 million, compared with $25 million the Republican National Committee has in the bank.

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Jon Ponder is regular blogger for the Pensito Review


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Dr. Dean says you should shut up
Posted by: anarchofeminist on Mar 28, 2008 7:41 AM   
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I love this: "The supporters should keep their mouths shut about this stuff..."

Because that's what democracy's all about - suppressing debate.

Dr. Dean is going to bring us all together whether we like it or not. Because he knows best. His bossy petulance was infuriating when he was governor of Vermont, and it's no easier to swallow now. ugh.

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» RE: Dr. Dean says you should shut up Posted by: anarchofeminist
Backing the Party
Posted by: outlander55 on Mar 28, 2008 7:49 AM   
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I am an Obama supporter.It is apparent that this contest may come down to the convention. If it does, there is a chance that the party will be split due to a nomination that will not satisfy the voters.
GET OVER IT!!!

The only way we are going to beat the Repugs is to unite. U-N-I-T-E!!!!! Get It?!?!

If we don't unite, McCain and four more "Bush" years are a given. Get over your egos and help the party to unite and begin repairing the damage done by the criminal element called the Republican party. Get over your tender egos and let's elect a Democrat to the White House and begin criminal investigations of the Bushies.

Let's not let the Main Stream Media direct this election. If your candidate doesn't get the nomination, COME OUT AND VOTE FOR THE OTHER ONE!! To split the party over ego is childish and that is what the other side wants. A split Democratic Party that fights amongst itself.

Our goal should be to unite the party and take the White House. How many times do you have to hear that to get it? The corporate media will talk about a split party even if we are all holding hands and singing silly folk songs during our victory party.

No matter who gets the nomination, we should ALL band together to elect the nominee. To vote any other way is egotistical and childish. And that is what the other side wants.

Like I said, I am an Obama supporter, but if Hilary Clinton gets the nomination, I will vote for her, because I am faithful to the party and if McCain gets elected, we are in deep shit. More war, More corporate welfare, More economic disaster, more of the same Bush BS.

Good night and good luck...

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» RE: Backing the Party Posted by: anarchofeminist
» RE: Backing the Party Posted by: outlander55
» RE: Backing the Party Posted by: Frank J. Burris
Couldn't Agree More
Posted by: deatonfl on Mar 28, 2008 8:21 AM   
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AMEN SISTER! I couldn't agree more.
We could all start by toning down all the negative comments about each candidate. Let's let the process work it's way to a conclusion. If we don't like the process, we work to change it next time. Everyone is losing sight of our COMMON GOAL!
With our bickering and childish attacks we are playing right into the Republican play book and they are loving it!

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LOYALTY
Posted by: BLOOMIE on Mar 28, 2008 10:28 AM   
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What it really boils down to is party loyalty. I am a former Richardson devotee, who now favors Obama. Even if the party commits the unthinkable and over-rules the will of the electorate and denies him the nomination, I will vote for the nominee. Senator Tonya Clinton is attempting to knee-cap the party in pursuit of her lust for undeserved power. My fear is not that Democrats will defect to the wrong wing if their choice is not nominated. My concern is that the huge number of new Democrats that have been brought into the party by the Obama grass-roots strategy will resent being disenfranchised and stay home on election day. This will surely guarantee another term of the policies that have brought us to ruin.

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Throw Big Momma from the train.
Posted by: paula.c on Mar 28, 2008 10:41 AM   
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I also see Obama as a ray of light in this miserable mess in the U.S.A., the Iraq war etc. Yes party loyalty is important and I would vote for Clinton rather than any Republican if I had to. But, just think what a grand battle it could be with Obama against McCain. There would be plenty of Republican dirty tricks but he is capable of a good fight to the finish.

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IF WE'RE WORTH DYING FOR,
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Mar 28, 2008 12:37 PM   
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What's wrong with some lively debate. Haven't we learned that silence and being polite doesn't work. Many of us have been told to 'shut up' for too long now. There's too much at stake and what's the hurry. For those who don't have the stomach for it, tune it out.
Trouble is we haven't seen a real campaign in a long time. If obama & Clinton want to fight to the finish, we will be the winners. And we won't end up with a wimp in the White House. ANNA

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» What lively debate?? Posted by: foreverhope
Not On Your Life
Posted by: desidid on Mar 28, 2008 4:14 PM   
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I have read the various post about party loyalty and vigorous debate, and I would have been with you 20 years ago. But, the Democrats have drawn their line in the sand, and my loyalty has been sorely tested. Obama came into this contest genuinely wanting to be judged by anything other than his race. Having lived for nearly 54 years, the covert way in which the Clinton campaign has negatively introduced race into this contest is my last straw. She and her husband have one thing in common, that is their contempt for the American public. Both Hillary and Bill are too comfortable with lying about events. And neither of them feels a need to give fully formed answers when they get caught. I feel it is the height of contempt to flat out lie about her arrival in Bosnia, which she had to know was on video. But she didn't care because her life with Bill has taught her that Americans are gullible. She also knows that if she can distract her supporters from that story, using Rev. Wright, it would fade from memory within minutes. I'm tired of White candidates whatever party using Blackness as a negative. I'm sure Obama knows of Hillary's affiliation with "the family" as well as McCain's supporters Hagee and Parsley. Yet, he has never injected their religion or statements made by those whom they consort with, even in defense of Rev. Wright. Bill Mahr was absolutely right when he called Obama the Jackie Robinson of his time. Hillary may be tough, but she is no Jackie Robinson.

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» RE: Not On Your Life Posted by: djnoll
Fool me once, fool me twice, fool me three times, not on your life!
Posted by: foreverhope on Mar 28, 2008 9:42 PM   
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Nope, the dem party lost my so-called loyality years ago. What we are seeing now is the same sort of 'king making' as what I have experienced and wrestled with in my local and state dem party. The elites, those with money, of the dem party and the worker bees (mindless party faithfuls) are the only ones upset Obama had the nerve to challenge Hellary's ascendancy to the throne and the ONLY ones that think her campaign tactics are even NORMAL for a dem candidate never mind decent or acceptable. No other candidate but The Clintons would or could get away with this shit.

If Hell steals this nominiation I will write in Obama. If Obama loses this election because of The Clintons defaming and slandering Obama I hope they get drummed out of the dem party for good.

I am so so sorry I voted for Bill Clinton twice or ever believed in either of them at all. They are really disgusting disturbed people.

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The First Gentleman?
Posted by: foreverhope on Mar 28, 2008 9:51 PM   
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Is that how we would refer to Bill if Hellary becomes our newest Decider?

Referring to Bill Clinton as a gentleman of any sort would just be another lie to add to The Clinton's resume.

GO BARACK!

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"Keep their mouths shut"
Posted by: Patriot46 on Mar 30, 2008 10:08 PM   
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Actually we Democrats should keep them shut when talking about the divide. We should go behind closed doors and discuss until we come to a conclusion. Then with a unified voice come out from behind closed doors and state our position.
And you know this will work, because that's exactly how the (R's) got where they are today. Read George Lakoff's book "Don't Think of an Elephant" if you don't believe me.

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Republican Dirty Trick #1:
Posted by: jvaljon1 on Mar 31, 2008 3:42 AM   
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A split-screen ad: on the one side you see McCain, silently saluting our flag--your standard stock shot. On the other side, you see Barack Obama's pastor, Jeremy Wright, cavorting around the stage in a frenzy, screaming "God DAMN America!"

The Republicans will win, if Obama's the nominee, just based on that one ad alone. America is a deeply religious country--and the sight of a Barack Obama's minister, cursing his own country like that--well, that will render Obama unelectable to most Democrats, as well as to all Republicans.

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