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Hillary Donors Warn Pelosi: Endorse or We'll Pull Our Money

Posted by Pam Spaulding, Pam's House Blend at 5:50 AM on March 27, 2008.


One can only believe that winning at any cost is the mantra going on in that shop.
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I tried to lay off blogging about the swill coming out of the operation run by Mark Penn and his boss, the Senator from New York, but I simply can't -- the desperation has turned into such scorched-earth campaigning that it's hard to digest. One can only believe that winning at any cost is the mantra going on in that shop.

Take this latest flap -- wealthy donors sending a letter to Nancy Pelosi that's no less than a street-thug mobster bat to the knees, an extortion attempt to silence the Speaker after she stated her opinion about the role of superdelegates: "If the votes of the superdelegates overturn what's happened in the elections, it would be harmful to the Democratic party."

Deep pocket, influential Hillary supporters who are big fundraisers in the party sent out the missive (obtained by TPM Election Central).

From the letter:

We respect those voters and believe that they, like the voters in the states that have already participated, have a right to be heard. None of us should make declarative statements that diminish the importance of their voices and their votes. We are writing to say we believe your remarks on ABC News This Week on March 16th did just that.
...We have been strong supporters of the DCCC. We therefore urge you to clarify your position on super-delegates and reflect in your comments a more open view to the optional independent actions of each of the delegates at the National Convention in August. We appreciate your activities in support of the Democratic Party and your leadership role in the Party and hope you will be responsive to some of your major enthusiastic supporters.
You can read the full statement here.  That sentence I highlighted is there for a reason -- it's poli-speak for "do my bidding or else." Signing the letter -- Marc Aronchick, Clarence Avant, Susie Tompkins Buell, Sim Farar, Robert L. Johnson, Chris Korge, Marc and Cathy Lasry, Hassan Nemazee, Alan and Susan Patricof, JB Pritzker, Amy Rao, Lynn de Rothschild, Haim Saban, Bernard Schwartz, Stanley S. Shuman, Jay Snyder, Maureen White and Steven Rattner.

Whoa. Is that BET magnate Bob Johnson up there on the list? The same Bob Johnson who unleashed this race-tinged attack against Obama?

At a rally here for Mrs. Clinton at Columbia College, Mr. Johnson was defending recent comments that Mrs. Clinton made regarding Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. She did not mean to take any credit away from him, Mr. Johnson said, when she said that it took President Johnson to sign the civil rights legislation he fought for.

"And to me, as an African-American, I am frankly insulted that the Obama campaign would imply that we are so stupid that we would think Hillary and Bill Clinton, who have been deeply and emotionally involved in black issues since Barack Obama was doing something in the neighborhood -°© and I won't say what he was doing, but he said it in the book -°© when they have been involved."
Unfortunately his mop-up job sucked big time.
My comments today were referring to Barack Obama's time spent as a community organizer, and nothing else. Any other suggestion is simply irresponsible and incorrect.
'Nuff said. What's going on here is her big bucks supporters, want her to win regardless of the long-term effect on the party -- that not only superdelegates, but pledged delegates should be encouraged to jump ship to their candidate, and Pelosi was raining on their parade by daring to give her opinion.

The fact is that Clinton (or Obama) cannot win enough delegates to secure the nomination outright, given the remaining primaries, so delegate poaching (something she said she wouldn't pursue) is on the table -- and hot and steaming at that. The behavior is pathological at this point.

If I were any of these big donors, I'd be pissed at the crappy return on investment -- her campaign is bleeding money, she didn't wrap up the coronation on Super Tuesday, and it's been one political blunder or another. They should be asking why Hillary won't cut the expensive Mark Penn loose. About the only thing she can point to was a small bounce from capitalizing on the Wright situation (something she probably shouldn't have raised, given her own affiliation with The Fellowship - read this Mother Jones article, or this sex-abuse convicted pastor).

Besides, candidates need to stop harping on the inane, intemperate comments of religious advisors to score political points. Who cares about Obama's or Clinton's religious affiliations as long as they aren't affecting policy -- we're not electing them to enhance our spiritual awareness.

Oh that's right, we're talking about common sense and politics -- my mistake.

***

Fantasist, liar or confused -- more tall tales from Clinton?

I'm really tired, so tired, of this. It's so embarrassing at this point, but she brought it on herself after her Indiana Jones lie about dodging sniper fire during a 1996 Bosnia trip with Sinbad and Chelsea. because of that whopper the press is now digging -- and finding that Hillary is fond of telling tall tales -- this time unearthing a murky fable that she tried to join the Marines.

Who knows what really happened or why, but the fact is that Clinton has damaged herself by raising the trust factor with her lies about death-defying diplomatic adventures in Bosnia. Her highly paid advisers should have known this was going to happen.  

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The videos Hillary Clinton does NOT want you to see!
Posted by: jhecht on Mar 27, 2008 6:42 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I&feature=related

part 2 - spread it wide & far!

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» pfft! Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
Some are more equal than Others
Posted by: JSquercia on Mar 27, 2008 6:47 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Just like in Animal Farm it would appear that some are MORE equal than Others . I guess maybe these folks who have led the Democrats to such SMASHING victories still want to controll the Democratic Party . This could turn off a generation of potential Democratic voters . Perhaps they are fearful of the fact the Obama has been able to outraise Hillary and that most of HIS donors are NOT maxed out .
I find Clinton's recent tactics UNWORTHY . It seems that she would rather have McCain win if she can not get the Nomination . This may be that she feels that she could run against McCain in 2012 while if Obama were to win her Presidential hopes would be gone . Nevertheless to inflict McCain and basically a third term of Bush on this country is UNTHINKABLE . He admits he knows nothing about Economics and has PROVEN his so called Foreign Policy experience is as fictional as Hillary's facing live fire in Bosnia .
The sad part of this is I thought that SHE was better than THAT but I guess she felt she was entitled to the Nomination and is now DESPERATE . Someone must STOP this bloodbath which only provides Fodder for the Republican Slime Machine . Both she and Obama MUST start attacking John McLame and pointing out his gaffes such as NOT knowing the difference between the Shia and Sunni and his flip Flopping on such Core Values as the Bush Tax Cuts and his Spirual Advisor who beleves we should KILL all Muslims and of Course Rev Hagee who merely wants to CREATE the Apocolipse
but NOT participate in it (He and his will raptured up to Heaven PRIOR ). They could point out Hagee has engaged in Hate speech against Gays and the Catholic Church and McCain has distanced himself from those words even though somewhat tepidly using the old taken out of Context thing but has NOT refused his endorsement .
All this being said there is np question that I would hold my nose and vote for Hillary against McCain should she be the nominee .

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jump to the sinking ship!
Posted by: sleepingdog on Mar 27, 2008 6:58 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
i still believe that it is entirely possible that Clinton takes the nomination by pseudo-legal and court-ordered means ala Bush. She's still in the race because she sees a way to win, it won't be pretty but it can be done.

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I just know it will happen.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Mar 27, 2008 7:10 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Hillary Clinton has not gotten more votes from voters than Obama... yet she still wants the nomination and will clearly do just about anything to get it. I know they will do it anyway, but if the Democratic party nominates someone who can't even win within her own party, what chance does she really have to win the general?

If Hillary gets the nomination I will not be voting Democrat this election. I don't know who I will be voting for, not that it matters.. if she gets the nomination having not won the majority of votes from people outside of the party elite (the superdelegates), then our democratic process truly is dead, but I won't vote for her and I won't vote for McCain.

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» RE: I just know it will happen. Posted by: Longdream
I support Hillary and I'm changing to Independent
Posted by: NotNeoCon on Mar 27, 2008 7:24 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Democratic Party is so F'ed up that I can no longer stand to be called a Democrap. Obama, who I like also, is getting most of his support from Independents, i.e. activists thru the caucus systems. This is not true Democratic Democracy - it’s a bunch of bull ship!
If Hillary doesn't get the nomination then I don't vote. There will definitely be a viable third party next time around and I'm going to jump on that band wagon early - like just after the November elections or sooner if allowed by my local election board.
Florida and Michigan and the screaming idiot from Vermont can GTH – big time. Same for the state of Iowa and all other caucus states!

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Clinton Bosnia comment is Clinton's Gary Hart Moment
Posted by: dgleason on Mar 27, 2008 7:41 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
it should have been the race bating she has been doing for most of the campaign through surrogates. But such is the nature of our system these days, as much because of the affect of rove-ian politics for the last 8 years, as it is the blame of any deep seated racism, imo.

It is time to mention movies the american public again... 'Wag the Dog' for the Clintons and Bushies, this time deserved by the Clintons and Primary Colors for the Clintons as a playbook for their supporters. What we forget about Clinton is the kind of player she is, ride the coat-tails scorching the ground until you get your hand picked battle.

Strangely this is the same kind of logic I think got us into Iraq, and it has always failed in battle.

McCain unfortunately is damaged goods from the 2000 primary with Rove, he or someone else talked him out of being himself and into being a soft copy W clone.

Bill C's reputation for participating in the Mark Penn disaster is, his Lewinsky penance, imo, brokered before her willingness to support him through that mess.

I think it is unlikely he will recover from it, and it is my guess that he advised her against it, his interpersonal intelligence is pretty high and this one was bound to backfire.

I am sure the rational for this mess has been 'Barak would be killed by the race card in the general, if there is any chance he would win the primary we should make him face it now'." (a glance at Primary Colors will show how that kind of justification is constructed).

In that they may have a point, but he is coming out of this relatively unscathed... purely through his own efforts... and having shown a grace under pressure certainly not evidenced by the Clintons.

Funny to see our stereotypes on their head... the blunt weapon agressive is the white girl, the brave bumbling mistral is the white guy and the controlled nuanced deep thinking strategist with the best business management skills is the guy of color.

What I think the Clinton's and McCain has missed is that American's are pretty tired of the infighting, tired of rhetoric that does not reflect the reality they are confronting... it is not enough for someone to spout patriotism and bipartisanship it is time for someone to exhibit it in something other than an alliance after the american taxpayer's dollars or legislated priviledge.

We are tired of seeing our patriotism used as a blunt weapon towards political advantage, and I hope we are ready to follow someone who will lead us out of this ungodly quagmire.

Danielle

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Northshorewoman
Posted by: Northshorewoman on Mar 27, 2008 7:43 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Let's keep it simple. If the Speaker of the House can voice her opinion, then so can anyone else. Just go to her website and share your thoughts with her or put a stamp on an envelope and she your thoughts with her. The freedom to speak is available to everyone, not just the Democrat leadership or its major donors. In my opinion, the Speaker is wrong on this issue -- unless she is just speaking for herself -- if she is a member of the Party then she knows Super Delegates can choose to vote based on whatever moves them and you can bet I have shared my thinking with the delegates who represent me in my state. Frankly, in all fairness, I think those who have been given the job to work us through a nomination process with no clear winner should let all of the people speak first before declaring their own choices.

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» RE: Northshorewoman Posted by: dgleason
» RE: Northshorewoman Posted by: Northshorewoman
What was she thinking
Posted by: Abushite on Mar 27, 2008 7:48 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Clinton's desperation has now led to lies regarding her bravery under fire in Bosnia.

The attack on the Speaker - blackmail - what next ???

Support for Nafta
Support for the policy which led to the doubling of the prison population resulting in over 2.5 million people in prison.

Support for the invasion of Iraq and its occupation - resulting in hundreds of thousands of innocents killed. Over 3 million Iraq citizens displaced - the sacrifice of over 4000 Americans.

The Tax returns

Pardoning criminals -- and Marc Rich

The list of perfidious behaviour is endless.

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A Possible Two-Fer?
Posted by: exasperated on Mar 27, 2008 8:39 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Is it too much to hope for that Hillary will damn her chances by pursuing this stubborn, egotistical, and now thuggish route to the nomination and that in calling upon her well-funded attack dogs she manages to unseat the nearly-useless fellow-triangulator Pelosi. Might make for some real change in Washington. If Hillary keeps this up, she may become as much of a pariah in New York as whinin' Joe Leiberman has become in Connecticut.

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Big donors and small donors
Posted by: CJC on Mar 27, 2008 9:54 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Nothing could be better for democracy than for the big donors to find out that they can't buy elections any more.

The average (!) donation to the Obama campaign is reported to be $109. I believe he has also raised more money than Clinton. So in a race between a candidate with a smaller campaign fund raised from many fewer donors vs one with a larger amount of money raised from many more donors it shouldn't be hard to prefer the candidate with the wider base of public support.

Will Obama's way be the wave of the future of campaign finance? Can we dare to hope?

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» RE: Big donors and small donors Posted by: Longdream
Hilary get a grip
Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Mar 27, 2008 9:59 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Next she'll be telling us she singlehandedly stopped Satan from sticking a nuke up Bill's butt during an orgy with the demons.

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» RE: Hilary get a grip Posted by: Longdream
It's not just the rich who are upset.
Posted by: Tara Downer on Mar 27, 2008 10:41 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I am a strong Clinton supporter who is a Summa Cum Laude graduate and hold a Master's degree. I am also living on S.S.D.I. because of an autoimmune disease that prevents me from working. And, damn it, I want my vote to count. I subscribe to Alternet and Move-On, but the bias towards Obama and against Clinton is baffling to me. Her comments have been twisted, her voice and laugh attacked, and her memories are supposed to be perfect. Sen. Clinton is the one who persuaded McCain to accept global warming. Clinton is the one who has worked on the health care crisis for at least fifteen years. And, she's the one who has been under a microscope for at least that long. She has been fully vetted by the media, but he hasn't. We have no idea what the Republican war machine has in store for Sen. Obama's campaign.

I am a Democrat through and through, and like Sen. Clinton, will support our candidate, no matter who wins. Since Sen. Clinton has already stated on more than one occasion that she would share a ticket with Sen. Obama, why hasn't he stated the same. Although my son caucused for Clinton, he said that most males see her comments as an admission of defeat. The females, who I have surveyed, see her comments as an attempt to compromise and bring the party together.

It therefore appears that our party is much more separated by gender than race. Or, as has been suggested by some, we are trying to repair the guilt and wrongs of our racist history by nominating a rhetorically brilliant Black man. Whatever the reasons are, I am relying on the rest of the country and Super Delegates to vote for a nominee before I lose hope for another (and completely different) Clinton presidency.

As far as the Super Delegates are concerned, being forced to vote with their state's voice totally undermines their position, and thus renders their positions as totally redundant. They are Super Delegates because they are supposed to know just a little bit more about what candidate is best for the job, AND to protect our party from the tyranny of the majority.

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» RE: Colleen Posted by: Longdream
weequash
Posted by: weequash on Mar 27, 2008 11:37 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Superdelegates or the 'Justice League of America'? As a kid I read comics starring the latter dynamic cast of characters, among them the amazing Wonder Woman (nope, Hillary's a blonde, and there never was a 'SUPERWOMAN', just a SuperGIRL) Green Lantern (Al Gore, eco-warrior), and of course the 'Flash'(Bill Clinton? But maybe that's hitting below the belt....). Costumed crusaders aside, to even have a group of eight-hundred or so dubious, shadowy characters involved in the Democratic party presidential nominating process, many of whom exist to secure their own invidious corporate self-interests over the will of the people speaks of naked patronage, plutocracy and greed, hardly democracy. If the Democratic party is ever to regain its historic status as the voice of the common man and woman,it must listen to, implement and incorporate the voices and concerns of the millions of Americans who have been disenfranchised politically and economically by the corporatist regimes of the past half-century. Zap, pow, kazowie!

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» RE: weequash Posted by: ConnecttheDots
» RE: weequash Posted by: Quannah
Loss of Power of the Big Money
Posted by: Sissy on Mar 27, 2008 12:12 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
With literally hundreds of thousands of small donors in the playing field, the threats of "big money players" this go around isn't quite the power house they once were. There might have been a time when the "big guys" could come and throw their weight and money around, get their way with threats and intimidation but that's not the case right now and we can only hope it will continue to other campaigns.

Too bad isn't it?

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Dakotahgeo
Posted by: Dak on Mar 27, 2008 3:52 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Tell this superbi*ch to pull her and hubby's money and stick it where Bill likes to put his cigar!
Who needs another 4 years of dictatorship like we've had with Bush and gang. The only thing Billary doesn't have in common with Bushy is dyslexia.
Dannnnng!!!
Dak!

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Clinton Donors Press Pelosi
Posted by: epd071148 on Mar 27, 2008 4:24 PM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Alternet seems to be the province of a collection of whiners who are going to hold their breath until Obama is nominated. Have you stopped to analyze how you are mimicking the republican attack machine, by finding any issue created by anyone affiliated with Hillary Clinton & blowing it all out of proportion? Believe it or not, Obama is a politician, with an ego equal to any other.

I don't critize him for doing self-serving things, but many of you mistakenly, and delusionally, believe him incapable of such words & actions. We don't need a manufactured saint, but rather someone with a defined, humanitarian agenda of policies, capable of working effectively within the political system to achieve worthwhile ends.

Get down off your cloud, and do some rational thinking!

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» RE: Clinton Donors Press Pelosi Posted by: Longdream
Has this one been pulled from the website homepage
Posted by: dgleason on Mar 27, 2008 6:55 PM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
couldn't find it on the home page.

Danielle

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Thesse are lies-don't let you be manipulated by these
Posted by: niliadis on Mar 30, 2008 3:58 PM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Anti-American Supporters like Obama..TWENTY YEARS SUPPORTING A MAN THAT HATES AMERICA!
Great Article-Read,Think, Sahre...
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Unconvinced by Obama’s Wright Speech
Barack Obama’s speech last week addressing his 20-year relationship with his radical pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, was very well done, yet unconvincing.
Obama sought to explain that relationship and why he could not end this close association, despite the minister's hate-filled rhetoric. He said, “There will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Rev. Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church?”
Yes, those are the questions that people are asking.
Many of Rev. Wright’s incendiary statements are on videos sold by his church. Minister Louis Farrakhan, a friend of Rev. Wright with whom he traveled to visit Muammar Qadaffi in Libya, also makes his sermons and those of others associated with the Nation of Islam available for sale. Their attacks on the U.S. and Israel often coincide with those of Rev. Wright
Rev. Wright’s sermons charge that the U.S. government gives African-Americans drugs, created AIDS, and is deliberately infecting blacks with that disease. His sermons claim that the U.S. unjustifiably nuclear bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki in World War II, and that 9/11 and the deaths of 3,000 Americans were caused by U.S. foreign policy.
He alleges Israeli state terrorism against the Palestinians; calling Israel a “dirty word” and “racist country.” He blames Israel for 9/11 and supports the divestment campaign against it, denouncing “Zionism.” His venomous thoughts are summed up in his most discussed sermon in which he says the U.S. government “wants us to sing God Bless America. No, no, not God Bless America. God damn America. God damn America for killing innocent people.”
Sen. Obama in his speech acknowledged that the rantings of his minister are “inexcusable,” but stated, “I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother — a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.”
Before we discuss his grandmother, let’s examine the impact of Rev. Wright’s statements on the senator’s two daughters. Nothing says it better than a song from the musical “South Pacific,” to wit, “You have to be taught to hate and fear…You’ve got to be carefully taught.” Few dispute that Rev. Wright’s sermons are filled with hate. Why didn’t Obama stand up in the church and denounce his hateful statements or, at the very least, argue privately with his minister? It was horrifying to see on a video now viewed across America the congregation rise from the pews to applaud their minister’s rants.
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