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Could the Bush Recession Turn Into the Bush Depression?

Posted by Howie Klein, Down With Tyranny! at 8:27 AM on March 23, 2008.


I don't think continuing Bush's economic policies-- as McCain has already been doing-- is going to help do anything to solve any of the problems.
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I don't know anyone who thinks we're not in a recession and I don't know anyone who says we're on the brink of a Depression. Most people have no reason to think we won't have a Depression; they just think "it can't happen here" or "now" or "to me." It shouldn't either. Nor should have George Bush. The most unlikely of morons to assume the presidency he's done everything that anyone could do to bring on a financial calamity. This morning's Paul Krugman column, Partying Like It's 1929, gets right to the point: right wing ideology is toxic. The "banking crisis of the 1930s showed that unregulated, unsupervised financial markets can all too easily suffer catastrophic failure." Krugman claims the hard-learned lessons were "forgotten" as the decades passed. I'm less generous.

To the laissez fairies of the extreme right Krugman's carefully regulated and supervised financial markets are communism. Anything that impedes absolute greed and selfishness in pursuit of the general good is treason. And along came Bush and his merry band of agenda-driven Mayberry Machiavellis.

Krugman is so logical and generous in his understanding of how markets work. I don't think he used the words "greed" or "selfishness" once in his column-- or even implied the base instincts behind them. But that is what has driven us to the brink of disaster-- and he knows it. He explains what made a garden variety recession of 1929 into the Great Depression of the 1930s and how society-- or at least the New Deal (imagine only 17 Republicans in the 1937 Senate)-- dealt with it. "And we all lived happily for a while-- but not for ever after."

Wall Street chafed at regulations that limited risk, but also limited potential profits. And little by little it wriggled free-- partly by persuading politicians to relax the rules, but mainly by creating a "shadow banking system" that relied on complex financial arrangements to bypass regulations designed to ensure that banking was safe.

For example, in the old system, savers had federally insured deposits in tightly regulated savings banks, and banks used that money to make home loans. Over time, however, this was partly replaced by a system in which savers put their money in funds that bought asset-backed commercial paper from special investment vehicles that bought collateralized debt obligations created from securitized mortgages-- with nary a regulator in sight.

As the years went by, the shadow banking system took over more and more of the banking business, because the unregulated players in this system seemed to offer better deals than conventional banks. Meanwhile, those who worried about the fact that this brave new world of finance lacked a safety net were dismissed as hopelessly old-fashioned.
In fact, however, we were partying like it was 1929-- and now it's 1930.
The financial crisis currently under way is basically an updated version of the wave of bank runs that swept the nation three generations ago. People aren't pulling cash out of banks to put it in their mattresses-- but they're doing the modern equivalent, pulling their money out of the shadow banking system and putting it into Treasury bills. And the result, now as then, is a vicious circle of financial contraction.
Mr. Bernanke and his colleagues at the Fed are doing all they can to end that vicious circle. We can only hope that they succeed. Otherwise, the next few years will be very unpleasant-- not another Great Depression, hopefully, but surely the worst slump we've seen in decades.
Even if Mr. Bernanke pulls it off, however, this is no way to run an economy. It's time to relearn the lessons of the 1930s, and get the financial system back under control.

Problem is there's another lesson Americans haven't learned-- or have forgotten. Calvin Coolidge is about to finish his second term, the worst presidency ever. And too many Americans seem more than willing to vote for Herbert Hoover.

Interestingly, this morning's Washington Post reports on the long overdue re-evaluation of the over-hyped Alan Greenspan, a kind of financial markets J. Edgar Hoover. "Perhaps," Steven Mufson's article begins, "the Maestro composed some discordant notes after all." Not that he gave two craps about the non-rich, but the Post also reports on how his policies are-- predictably-- hurting the poor and middle class hardest. "Inflation is walloping Americans with low and moderate incomes as the prices of staples have soared far faster than those of luxuries. Overall, inflation may only been up by 4% from last year, but for staples like groceries, gasoline, health care and other basics it's approaching 10%. That's real inflation that hurts people who live on budgets.

The record of longtime Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan -- worshipped by business leaders and dubbed "Maestro" in a 2000 biography by the Post's Bob Woodward-- is getting a critical look as his successor Ben S. Bernanke wrestles with problems that began on the Maestro's watch.
Many economists blame Greenspan for lax bank supervision and for keeping interest rates too low, too long from mid-2003 to mid-2004. That, the theory goes, fueled the housing bubble and spawned subprime and adjustable-rate mortgages for low-income people, vast numbers of whom can't make their payments now. Banks bought those mortgages in bundles that are worth far less than they originally were. That has led to big write-offs, shaking the entire financial system.

And I don't think continuing Bush's economic policies-- as McCain has already been doing-- is going to help do anything to solve any of the problems... at least not for America. McCain and Bush seem to think exporting American jobs abroad is sound policy. They're incorrect-- although the French might disagree with me:

UPDATE: OLD LINE GREED & SELFISHNESS REACTIONARIES ARE TURNING ON BUSH BIG TIME

Steve Forbes is fuming at the ineptness of the Bush Regime's response to what he calls a financial panic. "Not since Jimmy Carter has the U.S. had a President so oblivious to the damage done by an increasingly feeble greenback."

The Bush administration must take two steps immediately to quickly halt the unending, enervating credit crisis: shore up the anemic dollar and, for the time being, suspend "marking to market" those new financial instruments, such as packages of subprime mortgages.
The weak dollar is pummeling equities, disrupting the economy, distorting global trade and giving hundreds of billions of dollars in windfall revenues--through skyrocketing commodity prices-- to our adversaries such as Iran and Venezuela.
...The Federal Reserve can rally the markets for a day or two by finding some new mechanism through which to lend more money to banks and other financial institutions. But this is the proverbial Band-Aid for a patient who is beginning to hemorrhage.

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The bottom line on "deregulation".
Posted by: joeunix on Mar 23, 2008 8:59 AM   
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"This morning's Paul Krugman column, Partying Like It's 1929, gets right to the point: right wing ideology is toxic. The 'banking crisis of the 1930s showed that unregulated, unsupervised financial markets can all too easily suffer catastrophic failure.' Krugman claims the hard-learned lessons were 'forgotten' as the decades passed."

"Deregulation" is merely a deceptive euphemism for a system of NO LAWS.

Ask yourself one question: Who profits from a system based on NO LAWS?

The answer, dear reader, is simpler than you think.

Only OUTLAWS advocate a system of NO LAWS.

Thus, radical "free marketeers" who advocate "deregulation" are, at bottom, nothing but OUTLAWS--pirates, if you'll pardon the expression--who profit from an environment that breeds criminality.

Make no mistake, radical "free marketeers" and advocates of "deregulation" are the modern-day equivalent of pirates--and their captain was Alan Greenspan.

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Three little Hoovers, all in a row . . .
Posted by: Rune on Mar 23, 2008 9:26 AM   
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Both the Republican and Democratic wing of THE dominant political party have narrowed their choice to neo-Hoovers to lead the next presidential administration. All three are dedicated to building on George Bush's insane military spending build up, which sucks up more than half the federal budget, which has been running deep in red ink for years. None of the three is even willing to talk about taking charge of the economy by restoring the drive to maintain vigorous anti-trust and labor laws that once led to decades of prosperity for average workers, since replaced by an ever greater and more dangerous concentration of power that allows business lobbies to write their own legislation, such as industrial deregulation and the new, pro-lender bankruptcy law, despite a lack of support for such measures among the people of a country that longs for democracy.

The crooks are running the country and the crime families sporting blue or red colors are asking us to show our enthusiasm for the person who will become our next crime boss. How people can get excited about that prospect is beyond me.

Wake up, America!

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There's no such thing as an "unregulated" market
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Mar 23, 2008 9:32 AM   
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In this regard the Ron Paul libertarians and Republican ideologues are living in Never Never Land.

Imagine a football game without referees. After a few plays, the game will quickly degenerate into a street fight. That's what an "unregulated" market turns into.

Ultimately, a few strong players (like JP Morgan back in the old days) step in and become de facto regulators. That's like having Notre Dame coaches ref their own football games. Ain't goin' to be pretty!

The problem now isn't simply lack of regulators. A good many of the regulators are corrupt and allowing all kinds of potentially criminal behavior to occur-- much like corrupt officials in sports (like the old Olympic boxing judges). Some of this goes back to the Clinton Administration, so that we can't completely blame our Idiot-In-Chief for all the sins of Wall Street.

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» No need to post charts Posted by: joeunix
you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know we are in a recession
Posted by: foreverhope on Mar 23, 2008 9:34 AM   
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This country and the world are looking at some of the worst economic times we have had since the Great Depression. Banks are beginning to fail, some are barely hanging in, home foreclosures at an all time high since 1929, oil $110 a barrel and milk four dollars a gallon and all are going up.

I DREAD what is ahead for many people in this country. Few understand just how bad the Great Depression was, how much suffering there was. Few understand how bad the Reagan Recession was in the early 80's. People think the Reagan years were good for the middle class should think again, and it has been downhill ever since.

In Reagan's second term I distinctly remember for the first time seeing homeless old ladies pushing their belongings in shopping carts around my city.

People, FAMILIES, are walking away from their homes. Abandoning them! Can we understand how painful and positively gut-wrenching that must be? Where are those people going?

Social services have been slashed to pieces over the past several decades. There was really very very little improvement in that way during the Clinton years, and so so much worse under Bush. Reagan slashed social programs, SLASHED THEM, it began with Reagan, than Bush I. Not much improvement in social programs under Clinton. In fact NAFTA and DEREGULATING THE BANKING INDUSTRY (see Foreclosed: Blame Bill Clinton) have led to the collapse of the middle-class and the present home mortgage banking crisis.

So, we are ill-prepared as a country to deal with what is still to come. We haven't begun to see the end of higher gas prices leading to price increases of almost everything else.

I believe we have BEEN in a recession and are on the brink of a second Great Depression. I pray I am wrong. It is making me sick to know this is happening and we are so unprepared, AS A SOCIETY, totally unprepared to deal with it.

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Could the Bush Recession turn into a Bush Depression?
Posted by: aonghus36 on Mar 23, 2008 10:39 AM   
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Only if he finds a way to get a third term. Then, we'll all be depressed.

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I sure hope so! We have had enough of this Rogue 'superpower' running amuck
Posted by: PakiBoy on Mar 23, 2008 10:52 AM   
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it is blatantly obvious that Americans are not in a position to rein in their government.

So if it is a depression that brings this out-of-control monster to her knees then so be it.

Americans have themselves and their idiotic addicton to entertainment to blame for the mess.

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» You might want to check your history Posted by: ReallyBearish
» OK, but don't blame Hitler Posted by: ReallyBearish
there is nothing laissez faire about the economy
Posted by: Joe on Mar 23, 2008 2:57 PM   
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blame the regulated federal reserve. the government forces us to accept a certain currency and the federal reserve controls the currency in the market place. what's laissez faire about that other than misusing the term in order to justify more regulation. blame centralized regulation for mucking things up not laissez faire economics. if the economy was laissez faire people would have more control over it. as it stands now people have virtually no control over what happens which is why we have no choice other than to turn to washington, dc.

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» I beg to differ Joe Posted by: marid
» Dude Posted by: joeunix
» RE: Dude Posted by: Joe
» Go away, Joe Posted by: joeunix
Pre-Depression, You Better Believe it Baby!
Posted by: Turiye on Mar 23, 2008 6:02 PM   
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I was speaking of this to a friend the other week after the Murderer in Chief was asked if we were in or heading towards a recession, Treasonous, Traitor replies, "I think we may have a bit of slow-down going on."
Huh??? This same Fascist didn't even know how much a Gallon of gas or milk cost. My home, house, I move every 4 - 5 years, bitch of a behemoth I own, because it has an acre out back and I have 7 dogs, city girl though, losing my frigging mind, these repugs could care less about a thing, that is until they are laid off, use their credit cards to pay bills and mortgage, default on mortgage, lose home, no jobs available, then they learn. I own a business, been in business 25 years, manufacturer, it involves something food suppliers require, people will always have to eat ergo I am blessed.
Theses homes in my Township are very expensive and I see SALE signs everywhere, most I have empathy for the other 40% deserve it, they are arrogant selfish pigs. When I went to Europe to find a new country, came back to keep fighting, Welcome Committee had slashed all tires on both cars, do not care for my Politics, I s'pose.
I have men coming in to my business with Masters Degrees saying they will take anything, anything at all. I truly would hire anyone but I have so many machines and I cannot create a position, we are okay but just that, I have never fired anyone, they all make, $22 - $25/hr, most only GED's, I pay for their Health Insurance, they all get vacation, sick time, my I am hung over on Monday time. I have been working since I was 12, now 52 so I always remember where I came from, keeps you honest.
But I was saying to a friend we are in the beginning of the new 'Dark Age', with what the Murderer in Chief has done we have grown weary, and yes it is the , poor, and less poor,(there is no longer a middle-class), that have been hit first ergo the hardest, and they give that contract to Airbus. Sicker and Sicker.
My sister, who lives 10 minutes away is building a McMansion, her fat husband has a business, Oh what kind you ask, they make guidance systems for missiles, lovely, lovely indeed. I had the TV on, as I do downstairs for the dogs, they like the whatever they like about it, something came on re; election. She asked for whom I was voting, I said are you that stupid, they are not Republican, Chev, I can assure you of that. Gets all kinds of huffy, what so they can raise our taxes, blah, blah. I said why shouldn't you pay more? You make a gazillion $$$$, Well, I never get anything back, I said neither do I but aren't you grateful, you have a roof over your head, pay your bills, on and on. Dumb ass. This is the reason this country is F'ed UP, they are completely unaware of the gravity of the economic situation due to the Murderer in Chief.
Stupid Americans.

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» Always remember Posted by: joeunix
I will give you government controlled
Posted by: Joe on Mar 23, 2008 6:19 PM   
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monetary policy people one thing. if there wasn't any regulation people would actually see that their currency is worthless and would take to the streets to demand action. but since we turn everything over to the government no one is ever the wiser.

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i beg to differ...
Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Mar 24, 2008 1:04 AM   
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i've been saying for some time now that the u.s. appears to be headed for a depression...just about all the things that lead up to the depression of the 30s are lining up again (especially out of control credit)...its a matter of whether we get four (more) years of hoover or decide to see the writing on the wall and vote roosevelt in 4 years earlier.

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Insane America
Posted by: NoPCZone on Mar 24, 2008 1:24 AM   
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The very fact that talking heads are not laughed at and ridiculed when they start spouting Supply-Side Friedmanomics ought to tell you how poorly informed our people are. Watching CNBC is like watching some fictional fantasyland where tax cuts and deregulation are the answer to everything from acne to the subprime crisis.

We will know for sure our nation has lost it's mind if the MSM is able to hang this recession/depression on the Democratic Congress or the next President instead of on the NeoCon Repugs and the DLC enablers from Reagan through Bush (the Idiot). Mark my words- the spinners will blame anybody other than the corporatists for their own excesses.

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Personally, I like the photo of Bush.
Posted by: Quannah on Mar 24, 2008 4:59 PM   
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Corn-holio

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» pfft! Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
Bush Recession Turn Into the Bush Depression?
Posted by: Bearzerker on Mar 30, 2008 3:39 PM   
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Dammm...
I've been depressed for over 10 years with the state of US foreign and domestic policy!

Greed Graft and Cronyism has dropped you so far you all should be going splat soon!

I just hope I'm far enough away from all you jumpers that I wont get hit in the freefall!

nuff said

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