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Obama Takes on Race, Religion in Speech Today

Posted by Pam Spaulding, Pam's House Blend at 6:36 AM on March 18, 2008.


A larger question I have is why either campaign, or the GOP need to bring religion into any of this -- they aren't running to be a spiritual leader.
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Barack Obama is in Philadelphia today, where he is going to deliver a speech about race, religion, and with it, cultural differences and perceptions. The dustup over the contentious comments by Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the pastor of Obama's church, who stepped down from his religion advisor to the campaign after inflammatory recorded comments of Wright's sermons surfaced cast a pall over the campaign -- and the Right ran with it.


"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Wright said. "We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."
"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."
Barack Obama has to give this speech because he has sold himself as a uniter, a bridge builder and when you have someone like Wright connected to the campaign railing that Hillary Clinton didn't understand what it was like to be black, saying "Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain't never been called a n-----," you have to cut them loose.
However, the message delivered is not a lie, it's true. She cannot know. Black men are too often bear the brunt of an unequal and unfair criminal justice system. In this case, the fiery, condemning delivery does nothing to address how people can come together in greater understanding and empathy -- I gather that wasn't the point of that particular sermon, but to allow the rage of injustice out from the pulpit to those who understand.
That said, people have to acknowledge part of the reason for the discomfort lies in Wright's delivery of the message. It's so black, isn't it? It sounds militant to tender ears outside the traditional black church. For that matter, it doesn't resemble the delivery of sermons in other denominations of black churches -- I was raised Episopalian, and those folks aren't the hooping and hollering types of congregations. That said, what does that all mean? If the same messages were delivered with a velvet glove, with less inflammatory language, would it generate the same reaction? I doubt it. But what does that mean in the bigger picture. I'm not sure. I think it requires more dialogue. Dialogue too many of us are afraid to engage in.
A message from Trinity United Church (Obama's house of worship), provides some insight on how the commentary about Wright's remarks are viewed on that side of the fence. Read after the jump.

This came in my inbox:

Trinity United Church of Christ's ministry is inclusive and global. The following ministries have been developed under Dr. Wright's ministerial tutelage for social justice: assisted living facilities for senior citizens, day care for children, pastoral care and counseling, health care, ministries for persons living with HIV/AIDS, hospice training, prison ministry, scholarships for thousands of students to attend historically black colleges, youth ministries, tutorial and computer programs, a church library, domestic violence programs and scholarships and fellowships for women and men attending seminary.
Moss added, "The African American Church was born out of the crucible of slavery and the legacy of prophetic African American preachers since slavery has been and continues to heal broken marginalized victims of social and economic injustices. This is an attack on the legacy of the African American Church which led and continues to lead the fight for human rights in America and around the world."
Does that excuse conspiratorial remarks about the US government causing AIDS Wright has mentioned in past sermons? No, not really. But Wright wouldn't be the first person making that assertion without proof.
A larger question I have is why either campaign, or the GOP need to bring religion into any of this -- they aren't running to be a spiritual leader. Quite frankly, Democrats have been chasing the religious vote at their own peril -- take a look at the GOP. Its moderate wing was completely silenced by the party's decision to jump in bed with the radical right religious set. Fiery sermons with bigoted hateful remarks against Catholics (Hagee), LGBTs (just about all of the professional "Christian" set) were tolerated, endorsements not turned away. This is what happens when church, state and politics are conflated as essential to political ascent.
This isn't a call to ignore faith communities -- but a plea to put personal faith into proper context. It has no place in governing or politicking because it often has a toxic, misguided effect on people's ability to govern on behalf all citizens of different faiths, no faith at all, sexual orientation or race. Look at what we've seen come out of the mouth of Sally Kern over the last week. Need I say more?
But I want to turn the discussion back to race, because I think this episode with Rev. Wright exposed the whole "scary black revolution" primal fear here.
When I heard Wright, I heard a delivery not unlike the unhinged gay-bashing Rev. Willie Wilson (Wright is actually gay-affirming, btw). The delivery sounds so angry, so harsh to many. You get the feeling, based on the reaction out there, that people are afraid Barack Obama by association, is some sort of Trojan Horse of Black Anger waiting to be unleashed, prepared to exact revenge on white society by pulling their wool over their eyes by appearing friendly, "articulate" and non-threatening. In other words -- not that [Wright] kind of black guy. And it's why Obama had to politically cut him loose, and why he's giving this speech today.


politicalceci @ DKos asked some questions in a thread and precious few took her up on the offer to provide answers. They are questions I've asked in one way or another in various posts on race matters. As an exercise, take a crack at this modified list.
* Do you believe that political consultants use subtle and overt racism to score points because it works, and that the end justifies the means? Is that good for our society, or does it matter?
* Do you think that some white people are uncomfortable when race comes up in the presidential race, from either campaign or surrogates? Why?
* Do you think that the uncomfortability of discussions about racism and implicit bias causes a shutdown of honest dialog about it in the progressive movement?  
* Does the potential defensive reaction of blacks toward broaching the topic of race inhibit at all? What personal incidents inform that judgment - and is it fair to apply that to all black people?
* Does the fear of being perceived as racist or patronizing outweigh the benefits of addressing honest questions we have about the effect of race?
All of these questions, of course, can be applied to gender as well, but for the sake of staying on topic, let's try to stay within the boundaries of race in order to make this more pointed, and less comparative. Doing so makes it more difficult because you have to dig deeper in thinking through answers. It's easy to try to measure our problems with race, gender or sexual orientation against one another as if it's an oppression Olympics. That's not the point of the questions -- it's to reveal how race, in this case, has an impact of its own on all of us.
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Brent Childers of Faith in America notes how the media has spent much attention on Rev. Wright to the exclusion of many of the same leaders we've seen Bush cozy up to who have delivered caustic messages.
Over and over again, listeners have heard Wright's words; God damns America.  At first it is reasonable to assume most Americans would recoil from such words coming from the pulpit.  The particular interest in this pulpit is that a presidential candidate sits in front of it.
Only in recent memory, consider how many times the Religious Right, from its pulpits, has stated that America is damned because of policies aimed at protecting gay and lesbian Americans from hate crimes and discrimination? How long have Americans, former presidential contenders and presidents sat in front of that pulpit?
It is not mere coincidence that this story was brought to our attention by the Fox News network, a media outlet that is perceived by many to carry water for the Religious Right.  What is indeed shocking is how the mainstream media seemed blindsided by the story by first trying to ignore it and then falling right in line with Fox News in reporting on this as a story that has grave consequences for Obama and the Democrats.
This shows how far out of touch the mainstream media is with mainstream America.  Even more disappointing is how far out of touch the mainstream media is when it comes to confronting the Religious Right's spin machine and thinly veiled bigotry.
As long as religion is used by either side in the political realm to divide --  no matter the message or method of delivery -- we all lose.  

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Bravo!
Posted by: fluffmuffinmom on Mar 18, 2008 7:25 AM   
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Maybe that time is now! Go Barack! I can't wait to hear what he will say tonight.

I am so disgusted that the media is masturbating over the TRUTHS this Black minister dared say to his flock when the Repugs have built an empire on disgusting, bigoted lies put forth by their right-wing "faith" leaders.

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Not one f-ing word, bro...
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Mar 18, 2008 8:43 AM   
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not one f-ing word.

jdfu!

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RE: e-read
Posted by: ddsharper on Mar 18, 2008 6:18 PM   
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charemor1: You know, FOX is taking this whole thing to another level, playing a race card that is not there. Anyone questioning America, nowadays, is considered anti-American.

I think most of the news pundits are simple propagandists, useful idiots, and very disingenuous- since they merely push the views of the corporations that employ them.

I think objectivity is more prevalent in our generation than the current. The point is, Fox and those of that ilk will do anything to prevent America from voting for a black president. I think the article makes a great point and what's good for the goose is not good for the gander. They are attacking the pastor since Obama himself is above reproach. Minions.

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Exactly Right
Posted by: fraterm on Mar 18, 2008 7:52 AM   
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The only problem anyone would have with that statement in that sermon was that it cuts too close to the bone. The bones of people here long before my time, I while being white (mostly) know my great grandmother being forced to give up her tribal identity and religion to suit customs of the day as one of the flaws in the whole shine on this "melting pot."

America when it does evil, *is* evil, and it shouldn't be afraid to be called out for it and redeem itself.

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THE PASTOR SHOULD LISTEN TO HIMSELF
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Mar 18, 2008 7:59 AM   
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Where else in the world would he be allowed to speak out this way? Does he know how many people (all races) have died to make it possible? He's a despicable man who doesn't know how well off he is. He sounds so noble riding on the backs of the unfortunate. He's just another hypocrite who talks about the down trodden when it's convenient. What does he do for these people? Obama should break his ties with this guy. He's trouble. Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: THE PASTOR SHOULD LISTEN TO HIMSELF Posted by: outsideagitator
Double Standard
Posted by: QQOblivion on Mar 18, 2008 8:04 AM   
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Obama has NOTHING to apologize for, not his race, not his religion, not his pastor's comments.

Hey, why isn't McCain giving a speech explaining HIS ties to Rev Hagee and Ron Parsley? Why isn't McCain giving as speech trying to gain acceptance despite McCain's race and McCain's age?
Hell, we hear so much about Obama's race and religion. (Is Obama a Muslim? Does he belong to an anti-American church?) Why not hear about John "America-is-a-Christian-nation" McCain's religion? I don't even know what McCain's religion even is (although I don't care). I don't recall hearing about it in the news anywhere. Why is Big Media's so quiet on that issue? McCain's spiritual advisors wants the end of the world -- and, by implication, the end of America -- to come about. I would think it would be important what McCain really thinks about HIS spiritual advisors' comments.

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History made; a new day for America
Posted by: fbc21ca on Mar 18, 2008 8:41 AM   
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Fantastic, historic speech.

What incredible courage to tackle all the things both whites and blacks whisper to each other and open it all up for public discussion. At the same time, he managed to effectively disavow Wright's comments while not throwing his entire life under the bus.

Obama is a man of integrity, vision and great purpose.

Wonderful.

Obama '08!

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Dear Lord.....
Posted by: foreverhope on Mar 18, 2008 9:35 AM   
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Barack Obama is a truly remarkable man, and these are truly remarkable times. I admire him more each day with each new challenge. He will be one of the most DYNAMIC presidents this country has ever known. His speech today has dispelled any doubts I might have felt. This speech will go down in history. In essence, for me, without doubts, Barack has become JFK and Martin Luther King Jr. rolled into one AMAZING man. I feel so lucky to be alive if only to be a tiny part of his future presidency. And I am thanking God for giving him to us just when we need him the most.

"We are not a perfect Union, but we can be perfected."

Barack Obama, March 18, 2008

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Listen to the speech. Wow!
Posted by: abrunvand on Mar 18, 2008 10:19 AM   
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Stop speculating and just listen to
Obama's speech about race in America.

All I can say is, Wow!

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» Thanks for posting the link (n/m) Posted by: LeftWright
Does anyone have a link to the speech?
Posted by: fluffmuffinmom on Mar 18, 2008 10:19 AM   
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I missed the speech live - - does anyone know where I can find it? Thanks!

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stormy7
Posted by: STORMY78 on Mar 18, 2008 10:25 AM   
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OBAMA, THE MEDIAS CHOICE GETS NATION WIDE COVERAGE ON TUESDAY ON ALL OF THE CABLE NEWS PROGRAM, TO DISCUSS RACE.
I WANT TO KNOW WHY HILLARY DOESN'T GET THE SAME COURTESY TO TALK ABOUT THE BLATANT SEXISM ABOUT HER RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
I'M SO SICK OF MEN FUCKING UP THIS WORLD. WE HAVE A INTELLIGENT, EXPERIENCED, MORE THAN QUALIFIED WOMAN RUNNING FOR THE TOP JOB. MEN WOULD RATHER SEE A MAN WHO DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN FOR THIS COUNTRY. OBAMA JUST TALKS ABOUT THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE. HE WOULDN'T HAVE A CHANCE IN HELL OF BEATING ANY REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE. WE NEED SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW DIRTY THE REPUBLICANS CAN BE. HILLARY IS THE ONLY DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE THAT WILL GUARANTEE WE HAVE A DEMOCRAT IN THE WHITE HOUSE NEXT JANUARY.

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» RE: stormy7 ~ She made it so Posted by: blackie4aces
» RE: stormy7 Posted by: djnoll
» Props Posted by: blackie4aces
» RE: stormy7 Posted by: VZEQICVA
» what better experience is there Posted by: hurricane hugo
Deb
Posted by: debmcd on Mar 18, 2008 10:51 AM   
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I wish the right would talk about the issues this country is facing but since they have no ideas or solutions they talk about stuff like a person's religion. I would rather know that my President actually knows what is happening in the world. Right now we have a president who doesn't even attend church most Sundays but do you hear the media talking about that? He has absolutely no idea of what Americans are going through with the exception of his base and the corporations who got us into this mess in the first place. He talks a lot about his faith and belief in God but shows absolutely no repect or compassion of a true Christian. So the media should start asking about the real issues and stop obsessing over what a supporter has said. How can a candidate control every word from every supporter? Since we are all allowed by the Constitution to say what we feel, it is completely stupid and wrong of the media and the right to expect it. All this talk of a candidates religion has nothing to do with the fact that millions of Americans are without a job, healthcare, and their homes thanks to our "Christian" president.

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Nah, not really.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Mar 18, 2008 11:01 AM   
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It's so black, isn't it? It sounds militant to tender ears outside the traditional black church.

It's analogous to any other hate group's utterances.

No more pale, no less dark.

Obama did the right thing by firing him. You really wouldn't want your candidate taking political advice from a David Duke look-alike, 'eh?

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» RE: Nah, not really. Posted by: Wacre
Listen to Obama...
Posted by: djnoll on Mar 18, 2008 12:05 PM   
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I have just read the context of the speech. If you have not heard it or read, take the time to do so. It is brilliant, and brought me to tears in many places. It is what a President should be saying to the American people. It is worth your time and thought, and is perhaps the most important speech of this campaign.

see http://www.standanddeliveramerica.com for "A New Kind of Politician" for more of my thoughts on this speech, as well "Republican Madness" on other events that show the desperation of the Republicans and Hillary.

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AMERICAN PROVERB
Posted by: electriclady281 on Mar 18, 2008 1:02 PM   
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man with forked tongue praised, but man of truth stoned.

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As someone who does NOT support Sen. Obama
Posted by: LeftWright on Mar 18, 2008 1:23 PM   
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I must say that is the best political speech I've heard in a very long time.

One has to wonder why he never speaks about the obviously corrupt electoral system which no controls our political process. Is it because he hopes to use it to his advantage, perhaps?

To all you Obama heads, keep fighting for your guy, but KEEP YOUR EYES WIDE OPEN.

I do agree that we are all brothers and sisters and we will all have to work together to create the change we want to see in this world.

Only change based on truth will succeed in taking us where we want to go, however.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

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a study showed today
Posted by: happyhermit on Mar 18, 2008 2:30 PM   
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that the cable news channels have dedicated only 1% of their coverage to Iraq this year.

ONE FUCKING PERCENT.

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» RE: a study showed today Posted by: VZEQICVA
Share this speech with others
Posted by: realist on Mar 18, 2008 9:48 PM   
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True to form, much of the mainstream media is focusing on Obama's failure to "disown" Rev. Wright, and in the process is missing the true merit of one of the most important political speeches in years.

That's why it's important that you share the speech with anyone you can think of by e-mailing them this link.

Let them read and hear the speech and make up their own minds. When someone is showing this kind of leadership - the ability and willingness to talk about race in a mature, thoughtful way without resorting to the lowest common denominator - we've got to help spread the word.

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We The People Of The United States of America
Posted by: bc430 on Mar 18, 2008 10:23 PM   
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in order to form a more "perfect" union......" uuuhh weee, I feel like preaching. And how does that make you feel? What mental images jump up on your screen? Oh, by the way, I'm unapologetically Black, male, American and necessary. (been shot at while Black in US.Army uniform) Mental imaging. How good did James Brown feel when he proclaimed "I Feel Good?" and his band responded "dananananananah!" The RNC,Murdock and Fox News did not approve, appreciate or applaud Mr. Brown's preaching, but America and the world did.
The word preach means to proclaim. It does not mean Churchifying. And a 67 year old Vietnam Veteran,(US. Marine combat type), with multiple earned grad degrees plus Phd., 7 honorary Docs, author of books, speaker of multiple languages, highly effective 36 yr. TUCC Pastor, pontif(bridge builder)prophet, and poet, does not have to get the White citizens council's permission to exercise his First Amend. Rights. Therefore,I neither reject, denounce, repudiate or regret the man or the message embodied in the personhood of Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Such a Black man raising his voice and proclaiming truth about and to illegitimate powers does not mean HATE. People who hate are fearful people. Dr. Wright is fearless and thereby disqualified to be a hater. "..can be perfected." The word perfect as used both in the founding document and by Pres. Obama conveys the notion of completion, not perfection as flawless.
"THE SPEECH!" Sure he knocked it out of the park. Who is Barack Obama?
Barack Hussein Obama Is the standard by which all future politicians will be measured.
Now, no more denial, alright?
After White America has outlandishly demonstrated it's commitment to hiring the handicapped for the office of US.president could any words be more fitting at this time than the infamous and ignorant query of one of "America's most Racist" Geraldine Ferraro? If Barack Obama was a White man would we even be having this discussion? Absolutely not. If Pres. Obama were a White man the Dem nominee would have been declared no later than Tue. Mar.4, 2008 and he would be visiting foreign heads of state. This is the devotees of false teaching's opportunity to become OK with the fact that Pres. Obama and God are not White, Republican or reactionary, racist, right leaning Democrats. Contray to the doctrine of White supremacy all things excellent do not have to be White. Date of revelation 03/18/2008.
Stormy 7 wrote:"OBAMA, THE MEDIAS CHOICE GETS NATION WIDE COVERAGE ON TUESDAY ON ALL OF THE CABLE NEWS PROGRAM, TO DISCUSS RACE.
I WANT TO KNOW WHY HILLARY DOESN'T GET THE SAME COURTESY TO TALK ABOUT THE BLATANT SEXISM ABOUT HER RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
I'M SO SICK OF MEN FUCKING UP THIS WORLD."

Stormy, "White" men have done what you just said to the whole world. Not MEN!!! Thanks for sharing.
As to Pres.Obama's nation wide coverage.
Stormy,
This program was brought to you by the shock and awe campaign tactics of your one and only most qualified ready to lead on day one 35 yrs. of change as far as i know he's not a Muslim solutions hard work I'm ready and Sen. McCain is ready Barack has a speech it's 3 o'clock in the morning and my baby ain't at home...you feel me? Mr. and Mrs Clinton made THE SPEECH necessary and possible.

Thanks Karl Rove and slick Willie.(bet y'all wish ya hadda dun saved dis here one til roun bout 30 Oct. huh?)

Now let's give higher intelligence, character, dignity, diplomacy, leadership, faith, hope, love, peace and prosperity a chance. bc.

OBAMA '08.

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Vote for Jeremiah Wright!
Posted by: RedAaron on Mar 19, 2008 4:35 AM   
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On every issue over which Barack Obama repudiated Jeremiah Wright, Wright is right and Obama is wrong.
   According to Obama, "[Wright's remarks] expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country – a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam."
   What the difference boils down to is that, while Wright denounces the U.S.-Israeli Empire, Obama wants to unite Blacks, Whites, et al., behind that empire. For the sake of the peoples of Terra, and the planet itself, we need to promote the ideas of people like Jeremiah Wright and repudiate those of Barack Obama and other U.S. nationalists -- especially the pro-Israel ones.

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» RE: Vote for Jeremiah Wright! Posted by: Basenjis
» Exactly........ Posted by: blackie4aces
Clintons Paper Work
Posted by: angelofdeath on Mar 19, 2008 11:06 AM   
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THE TORRES-VIGNALI CONNECTION is explored in detail in a congressional report that resulted from Pardongate, when revelations surfaced that President Clinton granted clemency for Carlos Vignali Jr. — convicted of drug trafficking and sentenced to 15 years in federal prison in 1995 — along with other convicted criminals and one-time international fugitive Marc Rich. The granting of clemency occurred after payments were made to Clinton’s brother-in-law, Hugh Rodham, the brother of former first lady, New York state senator and 2008 Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Released in March 2002 by the congressional Committee on Government Reform, “Justice Undone: Clemency Decisions in the Clinton White House” details Hugh Rodham’s involvement in the Vignali affair, as well as the long business history Vignali once shared with George Torres.

The report takes to task top L.A. elected officials, including county Supervisor Gloria Molina, then–state Senator Richard Polanco, then–state Assemblyman Antonio Villaraigosa and U.S. Representative Xavier Becerra, among others, for lobbying on behalf of Vignali Jr., in light of his drug conviction and the fact that DEA agents long suspected Vignali Sr. to be involved in drug trafficking — along with Torres. While a member of the California state Assembly, Villaraigosa wrote the first letter on Vignali’s behalf on May 24, 1996.

In particular, L.A. Sheriff Lee Baca and former U.S. Attorney Alejandro Mayorkas were heavily criticized for lobbying for Vignali Jr.’s clemency. The report found the input of Baca and Mayorkas to the White House to be “instrumental” in the decision to grant clemency to Vignali Jr., who at his drug-trafficking trial in 1994 confirmed a close family association with Torres. Attorneys for Torres told the Weekly in 2005 that the association between the Vignalis and Torres has long since ended

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