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There's No Good Reason for Hillary to Drop Out of '08 Race

Posted by Chris Bowers, Open Left at 10:36 AM on March 14, 2008.


Her campaign needs to adopt thus damaging rhetoric, but that is not the same thing as asking her to drop out.

There is a sentiment in some parts of the blogosphere that Hillary Clinton should drop out of the campaign, "for the good of the party." The various aspects of the argument go as follows:

1. Clinton cannot win unless she convinces delegates to thwart the popular vote, which would invariably anger many people in the party and create lasting divisions for some time to come.

2. Clinton can only win by going nuclear on Obama in a way that will damage the party via right-wing arguments that will damage the party for a long time to come.

3. We need a nominee early enough in order to start directly taking on John McCain.

4. Obama has stronger coattails, and nominating him will help Democrats downticket in more areas of the country than Clinton.

5. Given her low chance to become President at this point, Clinton should start working on building her future position in the party through means other than a presidential campaign.

I disagree with all of these arguments. In fact, I think arguing for Hillary Clinton to drop out is counter-productive at this juncture for the party, and even for Barack Obama. A distinction needs to be made between the dangers of running a destructive campaign, and of the dignity in running a long-shot campaign. In the extended entry, I counter these arguments point by point:

1. Without a single more superdelegate making an endorsement, it is still possible for Clinton to move pretty close in the delegate count. I presented this case yesterday in a table projecting future delegate counts based on current polling in remaining states, which shows Clinton down by 79 delegates when all the voting is completed. However, it should be pointed out that it is also possible for Clinton to surpass current delegate projections and polling. She could, for example, net 18 more delegates in Michigan, 16 more delegates in PA, 12 more in Indiana, 10 more in Florida, 6 more in North Carolina, 4 more in both Puerto Rico and Oregon, and 2 more in West Virginia, Montana, and Kentucky. All told, that would put her within three delegates of Obama. If that winning streak also results in her winning the national popular vote, then she would have an overwhelming argument to bring to superdelegates based on both momentum and the popular will.

Some might object, and argue that since Obama has consistently gained ground on Clinton once campaigning has begun in any given state, the above delegate projections are unrealistic. However, why on earth should a campaign assume that it will drop in the polls no matter what happens in the future? Such a claim is asking Clinton to admit that there is no way for her to ever improve on her current polling position, a claim that is not only incredibly defeatist, but has also been proven wrong on a number of occasions. Clinton's polling relative to McCain improved during the entire first half of 2007, relative to Obama during the summer of 2007 and during mid-January 2007, and relative to both during the first week of March. While unlikely, it is not impossible for her to improve her position, get closer in the pledged delegate count, and win the popular vote. Even at this point, it can be done without thwarting the popular will.

2. It is true that the Clinton campaign has not exactly been a bastion of light in recent weeks of the campaign. Specifically, arguing that John McCain would make a better Commander in Chief than Obama, in combination with threats to thwart the popular will, arguments that certain states don't matter, and comments like those from Geraldine Ferraro are all damaging to the party. I don't support any of those, and think that her campaign needs to change direction on those issues. However, that does not mean she should drop out, it simply means her campaign should change its rhetorical course. Those are not the only arguments her campaign can make. She needs to stop being damaging to the party, not drop out.

3. To date, the contested primary campaign has actually been very good for the party. Cumulatively, it has created millions of new Democrats, sent our fundraising through the roof, improved our polling position for the general election, and turned a lot of red states purple. Organizing in all fifty states, straight through June 3rd, will only continue this pattern. By contrast, Democrats are not polling particularly well in Florida, a state where there was not a contested Democratic primary. I simply see no way that ending the campaign now will help Democrats in the general election. Let's play the string out to the end, and organize and campaign everywhere.

Also, I just hate it when progressives start to argue that contested primaries are bad for the party. Primary campaigns have proven to be one of our only effective ways of pushing the Democratic Party to the left, and of bringing new grassroots energy to the party. When we start to argue that primaries should be avoided "for the good of the party," then we start to sound like the loser establishment types that have long argued our primary campaigns are destructive. I hate that argument, both because it is simply not true that primaries are bad for the party, and because it urges people to fall in line rather than using internal, democratic means to fight for what they believe in. A party that stands for falling in line ultimately stands for nothing, and will inevitably atrophy as time goes on.

4. It is true that Obama appears to have stronger coattails for downticket Democrats at this point in time. However, that is not the case in every part of the county, and it also can change over the next three months. If, for example, Clinton goes on a big winning streak starting in Pennsylvania, then it won't be long before she starts polling better against John McCain in the general election. Already, she has drawn even with Obama against McCain, and if she takes the momentum in the nomination campaign, she will also take the nomination in the general election. And yes, coattails will follow from that, too.

5. I would say that Clinton has about a 5-10% chance of becoming President of the United States right now (10-15% chance to win the nomination, and then a 50-60% chance in the general election). I honestly can't think of any possible future position that someone could hold that would equal the opportunity cost of even a 5% chance to become the most powerful person on the planet. Even if her chances of becoming President are a long shot at this point, they are still real, and as such nothing can possibly compare to them. At this point, continuing her campaign is her best option for the future.

In short, I don't see any good reason for Hillary Clinton to drop out right now. Her campaign needs to adopt thus damaging rhetoric, but that is not the same thing as asking her to drop out. I also think there is a real danger for Obama supporters when they argue Clinton should drop out. It never sounds good to urge your opponent to quit, and simply to hand you a major victory. It sounds weak, as though you can't win the nomination on your own. It sounds snotty, as though you feel you are entitled to the nomination. It sounds dismissive, like you don't care that there are lots of Democrats who support a different candidate. In fact, if you add this all up, it sounds kind of Clintonian, as though large sections of the party should simply stop their whining and fall in line.

Obama supporters should not be urging Clinton to drop out. Change her rhetorical course, yes. Making sure that Obama secures a popular vote victory, yes. Making sure that a popular vote victory is then not thwarted by other forces in the party, yes. Ultimately, however, there is no good reason for Hillary Clinton to drop out at this point, and I cringe whenever I see calls for her to leave the campaign. Honestly, such calls feel like meeting the enemy, and discovering that the enemy was us all along.

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Chris Bowers was a full-time editor at MyDD from May 2004 until June 2007. Some of his projects have included the creation of the Liberal Blog Advertising Network, the first scientifically random poll of progressive netroots activists, the Use It Or Lose It campaign, the nation's most accurate forecast of Democratic house pickups in 2006, and the 2006 Googlebomb the Elections campaign.


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a purely academic discussion
Posted by: comradebob on Mar 14, 2008 12:09 PM   
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To the extent any Obama supporters are suggesting that Clinton drop out (and that's not something I've heard much about, but maybe I missed it), they're wasting their time. She has no other reason to exist than to run for the presidency.

Personally, I want her to stay in and get soundly trounced. Maybe she, her spouse and the rest of that bunch will then, at long last, go away. Or at least go to their natural home in that other party. I want mine back.

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» RE: a purely academic discussion Posted by: comradebob
we don't have a single day for all 50 states and territories to vote/caucus why?
Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Mar 14, 2008 12:24 PM   
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i'm having trouble rationalizing our current process

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Posted by: sui_generis on Mar 14, 2008 2:36 PM   
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The very premise of this article is disingenuous, as you've completely ignored the most important reason for Clinton to drop out of all, notwithstanding the fact that she can't win and is only damaging the party: SHE POLLS WORSE AGAINST MCCAIN THAN OBAMA DOES. In dozens of polling matchups, from months ago until today, every time she's up against McCain, she does 2 to 10 points worse than Obama does. One poll had his lead on McCain over DOUBLE hers.

Why would anyone -- especially the supporters of the campaign arguing, perversely, that electability is more important -- want to nominate the candidate with less of a chance for the party to win???

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the question of dignity
Posted by: nicR on Mar 14, 2008 2:48 PM   
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"A distinction needs to be made between the dangers of running a destructive campaign, and of the dignity in running a long-shot campaign."

In a general sense, I agree with this statement. But there is very little about the current state of Clinton's campaign that can really be described as "dignified."

The fact that she is willing to publicly extoll the virtues of the Republican candidate in attacking her opponent suggests that she is placing her personal interests above the party's interests....and therefore, it wouldn't be such a bad thing if she did quit.

That being said, as an Obama supporter, I don't think we've been calling for her to drop out, have we? We've just been quick to point out that a traditional victory is mathematically impossible for her.

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Hillary Has Shown How She Will Lead
Posted by: desidid on Mar 14, 2008 5:00 PM   
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Not only has Mrs. Clinton betrayed her party by endorsing her republican opponent ( I can already see that ad running ad nauseam) but also, she signed a pledge not to campaign or run in either Michigan or Florida. She clearly has a problem with following the rules, and that qualifies as 4 more years of the same thing.

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There's No Good Reason for Hillary to Drop Out of '08 Race...
Posted by: Frank J. Burris on Mar 14, 2008 7:33 PM   
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...except that she debases the party worse than it has to be. It's Democrats like her that drive people to vote for the Ralph Naders and Ron Pauls or to stay home on election day. I don't think anyone's asking the party to be perfectly progressive, just significantly differentiated from the GOP.

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I strongly disagree with the anti-Hillary types
Posted by: johnp on Mar 15, 2008 11:13 AM   
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Unless Hillary herself contradicts me, you can't make the case that she thinks McCain would make a better president, unless you can show that it makes sense to suggest that Hillary would rather vote for him, than for Obama; a preposterous notion. Clinton and McCain disagree profoundly on ideological grounds, though she thinks him better qualified in terms of experience than Obama. The idea that it is only the mathematical counts, that determine the outcome, is naive. There are many ways that the Obama campaign can crash and burn, including discovering things about him that would make it impossible for him to win the presidency. Would the delegates insist on certifying his nomination in the face of such information, simply because he had a lead in the delegate or popular vote count? The idea is suicidal. It's the juvenile and vulgar remarks made by Hillary opponents that have the potential to hurt the party, not her insistence on remaining in the race. Whether or not you attempt to argue the point, Hillary represents at least half the voters in the dem party, and these ugly remarks made against her, are far more likely to hurt democrat chances in Nov., than her remaining in the long-shot fight to try to win. The edge Obama has, is in many ways, an illusion, and a dangerous one for our party. The notion that he outpolls Hillary is based on the illusion, that we can hope to keep a majority of the Independents and a good part of the Republicans that crossed over, and voted for in the primaries. This is almost certainly an illusion. If we based their standing in the polls on democratic support alone, Hillary would handily beat Obama. Finally, the idea that Obama beats Hillary on the measure of defeating McCain has vanished in current polls. Even media themselves have acknowledged, that they gave Obama a free pass, during much of the latter part of the contest. What substance does Obama's leads in the delegate and pop votes have, when viewed in this context. During a substantial part of the campaign, the press has admitted protecting Obama from bad press. Hillary had a huge lead against Obama, during the first 7 or 8 months of the campaign. Obama had these 7 or 8 months to show his mettle against Hillary. He failed. Media turned against Hillary with a new intensity after Super Tuesday, while leaving Obama unvetted, allowing him to gain an artificially expanded lead over Clinton. Would Obama have attained his present position in the polls, had media made as much about Rezko and Obama's involvement with a fanatical religious leader, as it now has, "after" Obama secured the nomination?

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FAIL...Hillary endorsed McCain
Posted by: blondesprite on Mar 16, 2008 4:57 AM   
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end of argument. She should leave the party.

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