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Isn't It Time to Finally Legalize Prostitution?

Posted by Samara O'Shea, Huffington Post at 4:15 AM on March 12, 2008.


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I caught Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz on CNN last night standing in staunch defense of Eliot Spitzer. He named men such as Jefferson, Roosevelt, Kennedy, and Clinton who were great presidents despite their extramarital affairs. He went on to express his hope that Spitzer will not resign because a sexual misdemeanor does not affect the work of the politician -- it just gives the public something to boo about.

'Tis true, however, that Spitzer is in hot water for more than just having an affair but also for soliciting a prostitute. One of Dershowitz's final comments was, "These laws are never forced against ordinary people." An excellent point! Now, if the public isn't held accountable for a law on a regular basis then should it still be a law? Not only that, but is an act that involves consensual adults really a crime? Bear with me, I'm not asking why prostitution is wrong -- that I don't dispute -- I'm asking why it's illegal.

Your reaction probably goes something like this, "It should remain illegal!"

"Why?" asks the universe.

"I don't know it just should!" you respond adamantly.

If we're so interested in waving a moral wand over other people's sexual transgressions, then why is adultery legal? As it stands now adultery is, as it should be, grounds for divorce but it is not considered criminal. You cannot call the police and report your spouse for being unfaithful, unless, of course, your spouse is being unfaithful with a prostitute.

In Jesus' time adultery was the worse crime. If you'll recall, Jesus had the easy task of stopping the Pharisees from verbally ostracizing a prostitute whereas he has to stop the crowd from actually killing an adulteress. They were heated and ready to hurl their rocks in her humiliated direction when he called them out on their hypocrisy, "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone." Many people feel strongly that adultery is wrong, but that doesn't mean we want the law involved. Prostitution, too, is a private matter and should move its way into being a strictly moral issue rather than a legal one.

One knee-jerk response to the legalization of prostitution is "Well, if it's legal then there'll be more prostitutes." As a member of a group of young professional women I can assure you that we have not once sat around the cocktail table with our frustrated fists raised in the air, angry over our would-be careers as prostitutes If only it were legal!

Consider, for a moment, legality. Prostitution is now legal, and therefore can be regulated. Prostitutes can be required to take systematic STD tests, which will aide in abating the spread. Prostitutes can also seek legal recourse in the event that they suffer abuse at the hand of their employers or clients. There can be a legal age implemented -- making it easier to spot minor prostitutes and, more importantly, the people who force them into such work. Finally, prostitutes will be tax-paying citizens, and the service itself can be taxed.

A friend of a friend of mine who had an encounter with a prostitute in Amsterdam, where it is legal, believes regulating prostitution is the key to ending it. His experience was not only passionless but downright clinical. Condoms, rubber gloves as well as an egg timer were used during his session. The liaison doesn't end when the body says so but rather when the timer goes off -- putting a trip to the prostitute on par with a trip to the dentist.

Prostitution is not referred to as the world's oldest profession for nothing. We can deny it happens all we want, but that won't make it go away. Both you and I interact on a regular basis with people who've been with prostitutes, and we'll never know because these people are nice. They're hardworking. They're successful and interesting -- just like Eliot Spitzer. They shouldn't be stripped of their professional merit for their sexual indiscretions. What they do, and maybe even what we do, behind closed doors should stay there. It's time to consider prostitution as a waste of law enforcement, and certainly media, time and energy.

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"We are all sinners"
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Mar 12, 2008 5:28 AM   
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This is the guilt trip that allows religious authorities to manipulate and control us.

Legislating morality allows the government to do the same. It is ironic that most of these laws are strongly supported by the "get the government off our back" crowd.

Without getting into whether Spitzer's action was immoral or not - because it was nobody's effin business but his - the timing of all this stinks to high heaven. Who remembers McCain's lobbyist/whore now? Actual corruption is involved there.

These laws have given the Repukes an opportunity to remove a very painful thorn from their side - and someone who was harming no one. Don't say he was harming his wife - all the publicity undoubtedly has; that is a result of the law itself - but we know nothing about their private relationship.

I personally live in a monogamous marriage and have never had sex with a prostitute - but I can envision circumstances where it would not be, in my judgment, an immoral thing to do. It depends on the marriage and the individuals involved. In any case, it sure isn't any business of the GD Feds.

By legalizing we could bring a virtual halt to sex-trafficking, pimping, and dramatically reduce the spread of STDs. I also wonder if it would reduce the number of rapes to some degree or another. (Yes I know that many or most rapes are about power - but some of em are just about sex.)

Legislating morality is always done under the false premise that it can end behavior that is frowned upon. Since that never succeeds, it actually becomes about persecuting those who do things we don't like and inventing supposed harms caused by the behavior - ironic because 90% or more of these harms are a result of criminalization - not the criminalized behavior.

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» RE: "We are all sinners" Posted by: aussidawg
Part of the Nanny State War on Fun and Liberty
Posted by: left_libertarian on Mar 12, 2008 5:35 AM   
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I link it to puritanism its continuing war on drugs, various sexual positions, and who one wants as a sexual partner.

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nope
Posted by: MamaPantz on Mar 12, 2008 6:31 AM   
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When prostitution is legal, it may make working conditions better for some, not all. In places that it's legal, because of the climate of acceptance, it attracts trafficking. It's a fact. The places where it's legal are the worst places in the world for sex trafficking. and this doesn't mean traveling prostitutes that want to go somewhere else to work. Trafficking is people that had no intention of being sex workers and are either misled, or just abducted, or in some cases sold by their parents into slavery. They are then taken to areas where it's legal, like Amsterdam and Nevada to be sold off to someone else so they can use her up and throw her away like trash. Cause no matter what, a prostitute will always be treated this way legal or not. I understand how people think this will help to make their job safer, but it's impossible to make prostitution safe for a 12 year old girl. It doesn't matter if all the safety measures are taken, the fact is she'll be harmed for the rest of her life by this industry if she even lives to see it. Some people want to get a prostitute so they can rape,beat and kill her, so you never know when that's gonna be your next "client". This has nothing to do with puritanism and conservatism. It's not a new idea,as everyone will remind you when trying to excuse it, but isn't that all the more reason to see that it's actually not progressive to tell men that they have a right to access to a vagina at all times. I'm sorry, but we need to be teaching our kids how to have a relationship that's healthy, and that sex is a mutual experience that is a process for both partners. I don't care what you say, when someone takes someone's body and sells it to others and takes part of that payment for themselves, that is not a job we want to see legalized. There's already enough people thrown away by their families and picked up by some pimp and used and thrown away again. And you want to legalize this? This isn't about infidelity, or having consensual sex. This is about treating people, human beings, like commodities. If this is the oldest profession as you say (which it isn't a profession)then I would think that progressive people would realize that this "profession" should not exsist in a time when women can actually support themselves by doing something that does not involve their vaginas. If you think that it's conservative to think this way, you're wrong. Conservative means keeping things the way they are, which means prostitution is a conservative idea. a progressive idea would be changing things so that a women never has to consider this as an option, and I don't have to worry about my daughter being kidnapped so someone can use her like a blow up doll. If you're so gung ho about this job and think there's nothing wrong with it and it's just religious people that are against it, then go do it yourself, and then tell me how progressive you feel.

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should prostitution be legal?
Posted by: carolcarre on Mar 12, 2008 8:21 AM   
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i don't know, but I am concerned that many liberals confuse "thing" sex with human sexuality. The first treats sex as a commodity, and there are many moral and psychological problems with that; prostitution is largely the result of treating women as bodies to use to obtain goods and services. The second is about various aspects of human behavior, which I would like to think as part of the continuum of love and bonding. Hence, adultery and prostitution are two entirely different behaviors, the only common denominator being that both result in some sort of sexual gratification for at least one party.

Once again, I don't know, but please stop treating prostitution as normal, since human beings are the only mammals that have prostitution, and they are the only mammals that invest so much time and energy in treating the female of the species as some sort of thing that doesn't really belong to the species.

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"Legislating Morality": "La Rage"
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Mar 12, 2008 8:27 AM   
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La rage The Thieves of Virtue: legislating morality undermines representative government.
...if enough laws legislate morality, no representative gov't official is beyond the reach of legal intimidation...

think about it. is it a crime because its a crime...? or because its VICE crimes make it easier for Power to keep their feet on your neck? ... how exactly does *a vice crime* impact one's ability to do their job?

the fact a vice is a policed & monitored *activity*... not the activity... thus, you create a society where *nobody is perfect enough to do their job on THE ELECTORATE's behalf*... & for whom does that works out? isn't government about putting a representative in place to potentially level the playing field so we have a *shot* at justice in a culture where Money & Power have no interest in our free participation? its about our COMPLIANCE & SUBMISSION.

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Ethics v. Morals
Posted by: flipperfacefred on Mar 12, 2008 8:33 AM   
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Again it comes down to a fundamental conflict within the laws of our nation. That conflict, with its roots deep within the ancient soil of Puritan/Calvinist dogma has produced a tree with some strange fruit indeed. On the one hand we are all concerned with ethics, that is how we treat one another, and we would rightfully desire a system whereby human beings can be guaranteed of their basic dignity and have recourse for offenses against them. Our laws however continually confuse those ethical concerns with the religious convictions that underly our laws regarding morality, that is how we treat ourselves.

In truth if we are all created equal in dignity and right we all should have the freedom to make choices that, while they may be harmful in some ways to ourselves, do not harm another against their free and open consent. As it stands now the law books and courts are overloaded with enforcing a moral code that has grown from religious ground, intertwining church and state in an ironic if not hypocritical way. Ethical concerns however have been mostly relegated to high blown philosophical debates wherein the Grover Norquist's and other neo-cons of the world operate from a distinctly selfish and destructive ethical fallacy based on the writing of Ayn Rand which allows them to figuratively rape the world while at the same time an otherwise highly functioning member of civil society faces social death for the moral offense of paying $2,000 for a blow job.

We would save a great deal of time, money and angst if we could somehow reform the legal system so that questions of morality are relegated to individual or ecclesiastical authority-whereas questions of ethics are the only matters to be investigated and prosecuted by secular authority.

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Prostitution should be legal in all states, just like in Nevada...
Posted by: CAR25 on Mar 12, 2008 9:19 AM   
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Just think about it, if porn is legal... paying someone to have sex on camera, how comes they can't get payed just to have sex? It seems like pron is a form of prostitution, so I don't understand why "general" prostitution is not legal.

It should be REGULATED just as it is in Nevada, where the prostitutes are regularly given mandatory health checks, and they should even have a "permit" of some sort to allow them to do their business. Anyone without these regulations should be considered "illegal" (SUCH AS CHILD PROSTITUTES AND SEX SLAVES.)

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But this misses the point
Posted by: Cruella on Mar 12, 2008 9:41 AM   
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This makes complete sense if we believe that women enter prostitution out of their own free will, making a genuine choice - i.e. one where other good options exist. The evidence suggests this is almost never the case (although in the media it is presented as the "Pretty Woman" norm).

It is not, and has never been, a case of simple economics. There are many jobs which we do not allow employers to offer or employees to take up. For instance cleaning up nuclear fall-out by hand, catching deadly diseases in order to trial vaccines or donating your eyes for medical transplants.

We prevent these jobs from existing because we know that no-one with a real choice in life would choose to do them. The same applies to prostitution. Prostitutes have something like 20 times the murder rate of other professions - even in places where prostitution is legal and all the benefits that that is supposed to bring in terms of security should be present. The vast majority have been raped and assaulted many times.

In Amsterdam, where legalised prostitution is now being dramatically reduced as the effects become apparent, it has been noted that a majority of sex workers are not allowed by their employers to learn to speak Dutch. Surely this is evidence that everyone in the system is well aware that given real employment freedom women would not chose sex work.

Clearly sex workers do not, as many assume, serve to provide an outlet for sexual desire among men - a box of tissues and an episode of Baywatch will do that in a few minutes if that is what is needed. Instead these women become punching bags for men with power issues and pent-up hatred towards women.

Criminalising prostitutes of course doesn't resolve the situation - no-one about to take to the streets thinks "Well I do want that crack and my passport back but I don't want to get in trouble". What does work is the Swedish model - criminalising those who visit prostitutes.

For many right-thinking people this is not much of a leap anyway. Since so many sex workers are working under financial, physical and emotional duress, having sex with them is a kind of rape anyway. This approach has been adopted, alongside prioritising drug rehabilitaion and social housing for those in the sex industry, with impressive results in Sweden.

More of my opinions here.

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» And this makes the point Posted by: luckypuck
Of course!
Posted by: Robert Stevens on Mar 12, 2008 11:54 AM   
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Of course, prostitution should be legal. What a silly question!

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» and unionized Posted by: hurricane hugo
The ethics and morality of prostitution is ..
Posted by: Andrew_S on Mar 12, 2008 1:43 PM   
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Not the method, just like voting it is not who votes but who counts the votes, in this context it is who is the actual pimp. For the last three decades the question and evolving industries surrounding the question of women, their produce and the control of them have been marginally successful for now.

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Shame on you Eliot
Posted by: Jim Swanson on Mar 12, 2008 1:47 PM   
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Eliot Spitzer should have taken the honorable and honest approach and stood proud, with his wife by his side, and proclaimed that they would not allow the Bush administration and Karl Rove to persecute/prosecute them for what he did with their personal lives. Eliot should have apologized for his past prosecution of prostitution and drug cases and then moved on to order the Gubernatorial Pardon Office to open pardons for all people convicted in NY Courts of prostitution related, and drug related, offenses not involving violence against others or child abuse. He should then have pardoned all of these fellow victims of a Puritanical and life denying government.
Governor Spitzer would have redeemed himself as an honorable man fit to be Governor of the Empire State. Now, he is just a coward...

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Liberal N. Lovinit
Posted by: joehill on Mar 12, 2008 2:09 PM   
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One simple answer to "Why is adultery legal".

Nearly every member of Congress would be in jail for the one crime we can nail them on - despite all the other they (both parties) commit.

Labor Activist/Hero Tony Mazzocchi had it right when he advocated for a Labor Party. It's pretty simple - We work and They don't.

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Of course prostitution should be legal.
Posted by: Opinionator on Mar 12, 2008 2:44 PM   
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Along with the legalization of "recreational" drugs. As noted previously the prostitutes/sex workers would be monitored for STD's and treated, and even pay taxes! If both prostitution and drugs were legalized I predict that crime would decrease. Look at all the drug pushers who would go out of business. And the Taliban would not profit on its poppy fields. Wake up America!

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PLEASE DONT BE SO NAIVE
Posted by: easter on Mar 12, 2008 6:52 PM   
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THE POINT IS that no matter what, when a person is selling their body for someone else to physically use as they please, they are selling something that should not be able to be bought and sold. The point made about asking would you want your daughter to do it is a good one, would you honestly be okay with it? This is the way we should think, if we would not want someone we love to do this for living then to say it is okay for another is to not care for them as if they were your own. This goes against the golden rule.

The fact is that, legal or not, women (and men) choosing this profession are certainly not the people with the most options. If you want to make prostitution illegal and then you stock every corner of the "red light district" with police as well as offer every prostitute college scholarships, unless you have corrupt police (which we do) than prostitution will probably not have many employees. And would you choose to live in this red light district? Most people, i.e. men, who benefit and can afford to buy strippers and prostitutes can afford to not have to live (or have their women, the good women, live)where violence and rape rates are notoriously higher. No, its the poorest people who live here, often single women or mothers or fatherless families.

Sure there are prostitutes who choose to do this work, but if a person has other choices why would they choose to take a chance of physical assault? Unless you think that if you make it legal than every time a john goes into a room with a prostitute that a police officer is there to make sure that the women isn't raped or treated in a way she is unhappy with.
You couldnt though, because a prostitute who is raped will never really be seen as so, becuase she was selling her body (and if its legal with have less ability to show she was forced into it). Even if she has submitted to selling her body she has also just given away any legal protection. Once you say yes and you go into a room the john thinks you have said Yes to anything and everything he wants to do to you. Why would a court think different when a prostitute, now a legal one the state the rationalizes as having chose this, why would the state seek justice in her rape. If you legalize prostitution then you are telling every prostitute that if she is raped or abused that this is her JOB her legal CAREER. Recently a prostitute was raped and pressed charges and the john was charged with "theft", do you see? IT BECOMES A COMMODITY THEN sex becomes rape and rape becomes ok.

If you call your self, your literal physical self PROPERTY to be bought and sold, you lose social and legal recourse to be considered a human being and rape becomes less than what it is now recognized as in international law, a crime against humanity. Do you really think that women are so prized in this world, or even this country that if legalized police force would be mounted so high as to protect them from rape? No , because women have JUST STOPPED BECOMING A COMMODITY, have you ever heard of the law "coveture"this law rendered women as property of males in the U.S. until the twentieth century. This same country that refuses to pass the Equal Rights Amendment should not be considering legalizing prostitution to help women, that will only take us further in the direction of women being objects. This subject is the great equalizer , of all men of all nations. Conservatives may not want to legalize prostitution but they are aware that it is easier to find than hard drugs, its easier to spot a hooker than a drug dealer, they don't care and the liberal progressive men are showing that they dont either.

This issue is much like pornography that seems to have united the conservatives and liberals alike. The conservatives realizing that they dislike equality more than porn and liberals seeing that they like porn more than female equality.

This is the

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Adultery is a crime in NY
Posted by: plh on Mar 14, 2008 7:01 AM   
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Adultery is not legal in New York, it is a crime.

Penal Law Section 255.17 Adultery

A person is guilty of adultery when he engages in sexual intercourse with another person at a time when he has a living spouse, or the other person has a living spouse.

Adultery is a class B misdemeanor.

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Spitzer and the Bibble [sic.] Maybe Spitgzer is the father of our next king!
Posted by: No.mad on Mar 16, 2008 7:45 AM   
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At first I was annoyed by Eliot Spitzer because I thought he was acting like a repugnican. Then I thought, “Ah ha! He was entrapped by a repugnican.” (Prostitutes seem to be supporting Ron Paul in huge numbers, at least in Nevada.) That made me feel a little better.

Upon further reflection I was intrigued about how Spitzer was acting in the best spirit of the christian bible. In Genesis, Tamar is married to Er, (It’s no weirder than Tyler or any of the names people saddle their kids with today.) son of Judah. Er died before he could father any children with Tamar.

As was the custom, Tamar married her brother-in-law Onan—slightly better than Er—who preferred to spill his seed on the ground rather than impregnate her. (He didn’t want his brother to get credit for having children. I don’t understand this either, but it’s true.) This so displeased god that god slew Onan.

Don’t worry. I haven’t forgotten Eliot Spitzer!

Tamar disguised herself as a prostitute and intercepted Judah on his way to sheering his sheep. Judah allowed himself to be distracted by a little afternoon delight and impregnated Tamar. Tamar bore twins, one of whom was an ancestor of King David, who posed nude for Da Vinci who carved the famous sculpture now on display in Florence, Italy.

I suggest that instead of condemning Spitzer for consorting with an expensive prostitute, we should honor him for acting in a most biblical manor. Perhaps his issue will slay a giant one day, sing lovely songs and pose naked for some modern-day Andy Warhol who will put his sculpture on display in the holy city of Albany.

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Family law won't have it....
Posted by: Landbaron on Mar 30, 2008 12:45 PM   
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It would put a big dent in their business.

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