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Is the Clinton Team Stark Raving Mad?

Posted by Pam Spaulding, Pandagon at 6:38 AM on March 11, 2008.


The latest misfire, Clinton supporter Geraldine Ferraro, claiming Obama has only gotten as far as he has because he's black.
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For the life of me I just don’t understand the thinking inside the Clinton campaign (and insided the heads of surrogates). Strong supporters of Clinton — please clue me in; I don’t know how the following developments make any sense in terms of political strategy that’s helpful to the candidate:

* Bill and Hillary continuing to promote the idea of a Clinton/Obama ticket with her at the top when she’s behind in delegate count;

* Promoting the idea of Obama as VP after spending time and money on ads to convince voters he’s not ready to answer the 3 AM phone call - why would she want someone she’s declared unqualified on the ticket?

* The assertion by Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson that somehow Obama could cross the imaginary 3AM-ready “threshhold” that Hillary has by the convention and thus be qualified for the VP slot.

* And the latest misfire - Geraldine Ferraro, 1984 VP nominee, claiming Obama has only gotten as far as he has because he is black.

If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.
That one is pretty breathtaking on several levels, considering her selection as VP was most certainly due in part to the fact she is a woman.

In any case, using this particular line of thinking…

* If Clinton were a black man, Hillary would have been told to drop out of the race after losing 11 contests in a row, after all, John Edwards had to get out after losing only 3.

* If Obama were white, as it has already been noted elsewhere, he’d already be the nominee, because it’s pretty clear that while there are blacks voting for him because of his race, there are certain demographic groups who didn’t vote for him because he’s black, and those are the Reagan Democrats that Hillary is chasing.

In any case, since he’s biracial, does that factor into Ferraro’s deluded thinking? What would happen, for instance, if Obama were not visibly identifiable as black (as in, he could pass), but identified as such — does that make any difference in perceived advantage? It’s crazy-making. DHinMI at DKos:

It’s not a fringe belief. It’s at the heart of the belief system of the so-called Reagan Democrats--swing voters and even some Democrats who were cradle Democrats but defected to Reagan and have been up for grabs in most elections since 1992.
>Some of these Reagan Democrats will hear Ferraro’s comment, and they’ll think about the job they didn’t get because, they believe, it went to an affirmative action hire. They’ll think about the guy promoted over them because, they believe, he’s black. And they’ll think “here we go again.”

Believing African-Americans are affording unfair advantages certainly isn’t a belief that prevents people from voting Democratic. In 2006, for instance, Michigan Democrats picked up offices and a weak Democratic governor won reelection, but at the same time 40% of Democrats voted to ban race from being a factor in state government hiring or university admissions.
One can give Ferraro the benefit of the doubt, and assume that her comment was just a “slip of the tongue.” One can assume that the wife of Bill Clinton--the man from Hope known for his passionate desire to bring about racial reconciliation in America--would never hope to benefit from racist envy and distrust.
I suppose Obama has an advantage of some kind because his race has placed a target on his back by organized hate groups. Who wants that advantage?

I know there are a lot of white people who believe that blacks have some kind of advantage (and I hear from them on occasion, for those willing to step on the third rail), but somehow these folks choose not to see the incredible mountain of institutional and social white privilege that exists. The denial is deep; I mean really, would these folks like to trade places, to wake up and live as a black person for a month to put these perceived advantages in daily life to a test? To make it more interesting in this “post-racial world,” have them live in a town with few minorities, perhaps one of those classic Reagan Democrat towns or a heartland neighborhood in Sally Kern’s or Steve King’s districts.

All of my professional life I’ve had to bear the burden of being “the first” (black woman) in so many of my jobs — the world of publishing has always had a dearth of minorities — and trust me, it’s no fun. I was — and am — always aware that my performance could, fairly or unfairly, be a standard to prejudge other POC that would follow me in ways white job candidates don’t have to worry about in competing for a position. I think many affirmative action efforts while laudable, should place additional focus not just on race (or any other oppressed minority or gender), and on socioeconomic opportunity. After all, a poor black kid who is achieving in spite of crap schools is certainly more disadvantaged than a child of upper middle class black parents, but they are often given the same weight if race is all that matters in that program.

Anyway, it’s an interesting topic in the abstract — the backlash effect of affirmative action (on whites and blacks), that is discussed in detail in Randall L. Kennedy’s Sellout: The Politics of Racial Betrayal, a book I did a Firedoglake salon for last month, but living it, as we can see, results in yet another aspect of the third rail of race that few people are willing to put themselves out there to discuss their fears and issues with it openly.

Lobbing this grenade about so carelessly, as Ferraro did, does zero to help the party, let alone her preferred candidate.

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Even former Clinton adviser and weasly consultant/columnist Dick Morris said last week that the continuing charade needs to come to an end.

Will Hillary win Pennsylvania? Who cares? Even if she were to sweep the remaining primaries and caucuses by 10 points, she would move just 60 votes closer to Obama's total of elected delegates. And she won't sweep them all. Even if Hillary wins Pennsylvania, the largest prize up for grabs, Obama will probably win North Carolina, which is almost as large. He's likely to win Mississippi and Wyoming and has a good shot in Oregon and Indiana. The most likely result of these coming contests is that Obama will be roughly where he is now, about 140 elected delegates ahead of Hillary.
Suppose that Hillary will carry those states by enough to offset Obama's delegate lead. The proportional representation system makes a knockout impossible and so mutes relatively narrow victories as to make them almost inconsequential.
And about the superdelegates?

Will the leaders of the Democratic Party be complicit in its destruction? Will they really kindle a civil war by denying the nomination to the man who won the most elected delegates? No way. They well understand that to do so would be to throw away the party's chances of victory and to stigmatize it among African-Americans and young people for the rest of their lives. The Democratic Party took 20 years to recover from the traumas of 1968 and it is not about to trigger a similar bloodletting this year.
I’m really trying to step back and look at this just based on the information at hand and exclude all the emotional sway due to the unique nature of this race.

If we change the names of these candidates to anonymize them without anything that might cue you to race or gender — oh hell, just make them two white guys since that’s all we’ve ever had has president — and you had one candidate, John Doe with an insurmountable delegate lead (but not enough to win), and the other, James Smith, who is running a fairly close second, but cannot win either without swaying superdelegates to go his way — you’d have Gary Hart and Walter Mondale all over again.

Gary Hart, in fact, weighed in on this mess last week. Sigh.

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Posted by: Lauren on Mar 11, 2008 6:33 AM   
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The Shocking Video Hillary Does NOT Want You To See! (1of2)

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DDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Posted by: mkdelta69 on Mar 11, 2008 8:53 AM   
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This isn't rocket science.

Red state Blue state.

Democrats will not win majority of red states. Clinton wins blue states, Obama wins red. Republicans will vote conservative once terror PsyOp is rolled out in general election. Maybe 9/11 redux.

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Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Posted by: mkdelta69 on Mar 11, 2008 8:56 AM   
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If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.

I think she's taling about 95% of blacks breaking Obama. Are 95% of women breaking Clinton?

THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE.

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» Redefining the 'black' vote Posted by: foreverhope
Motive
Posted by: mkdelta69 on Mar 11, 2008 9:02 AM   
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Even former Clinton adviser and weasly consultant/columnist Dick Morris said last week that the continuing charade needs to come to an end.

Republicans fear Clinton more than Obama. Drive out Clinton then roll out PsyOp on Obama who is weak in states that democrats must win to take White House. And they have not rolled out negatives yet. What will PsyOp do to Obama in national election????????

This isn't rocket science.

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» RE: Motive Posted by: Sissy
In a word, Yes.
Posted by: wagadog on Mar 11, 2008 9:15 AM   
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BTW if being a political wife qualifies you as much as being the office holder, why isn't Hil arguing that Silda Spitzer should take over Elliot's role as superdelegate?

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I'll make it simple for you Filcksters:
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Mar 11, 2008 9:30 AM   
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Obama: winning :)

Clinton: LOSING :(


There...how easy was that?

jdfu!

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MS.
Posted by: didler on Mar 11, 2008 10:23 AM   
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Would someone tell G.Ferrero that those of us supporting Obama already know he is bi-racial or black if she prefers. We also know Hillary is female and the wife of a former president. Those are not our reasons for our choice. Why can not these numb-nuts understand that simple fact. It is such an insult to the voters on both sides to do what the Clinton people are doing.

This is a 72 year old long term fighting feminist talking.

Edith Conrad

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Thebigkate
Posted by: Thebigkate on Mar 11, 2008 10:28 AM   
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URGGG............And to think I voted for this woman for Vice President in--whenever that was! She is a hypocrite and a bigot! I am glad she no longer holds elective office!!!

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Obama is the Best Candidate for Choice
Posted by: foreverhope on Mar 11, 2008 11:09 AM   
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By Frances Kissling, Huffington Post. Posted February 18, 2008.

As a woman who has spent her life fighting for choice, I believe that Obama's progressive vision is the one that truly embraces reproductive justice.

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"The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew."

~Abraham Lincoln~

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The Clintons, a horror film that never ends
Posted by: foreverhope on Mar 11, 2008 11:21 AM   
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The Clintons have always had a touch of the zombies about them: unkillable, they move relentlessly forward, propelled by a bloodlust for Republicans or uppity Democrats who dare to question their supremacy. You can’t escape; you can’t hide; and you can’t win.

Now all this may seem a little melodramatic. Perhaps it is. I’m not kidding. I woke up in a cold sweat early last Wednesday. There have been moments this past week when I have felt physically ill at the thought of that pair returning to power.

Why? I have had to write several columns in this space over the years acknowledging that the substantive legacy of the Clinton administration (with a lot of assist from Newt Gingrich) was a perfectly respectable one: welfare reform, fiscal sanity, prudent foreign policy, leaner government. But remembering the day-to-day psychodramas of those years still floods my frontal cortex with waves of loathing and anxiety. The further away you are from them, the easier it is to think they’re fine. Up close they are an intolerable, endless, soul-sapping soap opera.

The media are marvelling at the Clintons’ several near-death political experiences in this campaign. Hasn’t it occurred to them how creepily familiar all this is? The Clintons live off psychodrama. They both love to push themselves to the brink of catastrophe and then accomplish the last-minute, nail-biting self-rescue. Before too long the entire story becomes about them, their ability to triumph through crisis, even though the crises are so often manufactured by themselves. That is what last week brought back for me. The 1990s – with a war on.

Remember: Bill Clinton could have easily settled the Paula Jones lawsuit years before he put the entire country through the wringer (Jones sued Clinton for sexual harassment alleged to have occurred while he was governor of Arkansas).

Recall: Hillary Clinton could have killed what turned out to be the White-water nonstory at the very outset by disclosing everything she could (the scandal centred on a controversial Arkansas property deal).

Consider: the Clintons could have prepared for primaries and caucuses after February 5 – so-called Super Tuesday, when 24 states held their presidential nomination vote – as any careful candidate would. They chose not to do any of these things. Not because they are incompetent. But because they live to risk.

Politics is also their life. They know nothing else. Most halfway normal people in politics could at some point walk away. Reagan seemed happy to. Not the Clintons. In the words of the American-based British writer Christo-pher Hitchens, these are the kind of people who never want the meeting to end. Hillary Clinton will never concede the race so long as there is even the faintest chance that she can somehow win.

They endure all sorts of humiliation – remember the taped Clinton deposition in the Ken Starr investigation (in which Clinton admitted to the inquiry headed by the far-right prosecutor that he had had an “improper physical relationship” with Monica Lewinsky)? Hillary’s dismissal of the Lewinsky matter as an invention of the right-wing conspiracy? – because they know no other way to live. They have been thinking of this moment since they were in college and being a senator or an ex-president or having two terms in the White House are not sufficient to satiate their sense of entitlement. Even if they have to put their own party through a divisive, bitter, possibly fatal death match, they will never give up. Their country, their party . . . none of this matters compared with them.

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Hill has become the Tonya Harding of Election '08
Posted by: smchris on Mar 11, 2008 11:56 AM   
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Worked her whole life for this event. Anybody who gets in her way gets kneecapped.

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Hillary Knows What She Is Doing
Posted by: desidid on Mar 11, 2008 5:14 PM   
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The Clinton's are cultivating the Hispanic vote to offset the Blacks they will drive from the party. Hispanics are what 14% of the population, with an estimated 12-20 million here illegally. Blacks are 13% of the population with predictions of that number holding through 2050. Every democratic candidate including Obama supports immigration reform which translates to amnesty, and a shitload of new voters. If you ever wonder why or if there is a Black/Brown? divide this campaign and the choice of verbage from elected officials should make it abundantly clear. Bill Richardson is my predicted vice presidential choice for Hillary. And I guarantee you that neither republican nor democrat will make his heritage a negative in the campaign. And if by chance someone does, calls will come from all quarters of the democratic party to rebuke whomever that would be. Has Hillary rebuked Ferraro for her remarks? Neither she nor Bill have any respect for those Blacks who have remained steadfastly devoted to them. I wonder if Sheila Jackson Lee's chest swells with pride being associated with the same campaign as Geraldine Ferraro. The only thing that Hillary's campaign hasn't done that I am grateful for, is she hasn't claimed to be a "uniter and not a divider."

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It's the issues, stupid
Posted by: Dianka on Mar 11, 2008 7:50 PM   
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Clinton's campaign has become an embarrassment. That's not unique in a close race. But what I find really troubling is the insulting statements indicating that we lowly citizens cast our votes
on race, gender, who puts on the best show, etc., because we are too dumb to handle anything more substantial. Does the Clinton campaign really view the American people, as a whole, as idiots, too stupid to make decisions based on issues and on the candidates' records?

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IF OBAMA WERE WHITE
Posted by: fg on Mar 11, 2008 10:29 PM   
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he would have the nomination wrapped up at this point! Ferraro is out of her tree . . .

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