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Vatican Releases New Mortal Sins, Includes Stem Cell Research

Posted by William K. Wolfrum, Shakesville at 3:01 PM on March 10, 2008.


Hey, kids, gather around! The Vatican has come up with some more stuff we can't do!
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Hey, kids, gather around! The Vatican has come up with some more stuff we can't do!

Vatican lists new hip, modern sins

The Vatican has unveiled some new sins for the 21st Century, such as genetic manipulation, pollution and social injustice.

Archbishop Gianfranco Girotti, the Vatican's number-two official for sins and penance, told L'Osservatore Romano that he saw bioethics as posing the greatest risks for the human soul.

"(Within bioethics) there are areas where we absolutely must denounce some violations of the fundamental rights of human nature through experiments and genetic manipulation whose outcome is difficult to predict and control," he told the Vatican's official newspaper on Sunday in an interview headlined "New Forms of Social Sin."

The Roman Catholic Church has previously spoken out against stem cell research that requires the destruction of human embryos, believing that life begins at conception.

Girotti also attacked drugs, saying they "weaken the mind and obscure intelligence."

On the growing gap between rich and poor, he said it causes "an unbearable social injustice."

Pope Benedict has made several strong statements on the environment in recent months, saying problems like climate change had become critical to humanity's future.

Catholicism has two basic types of sin: Venial, which are relatively less important and forgivable, and mortal. Those can include acts like abortion and murder, although the church doesn't keep a well-defined list.

Mortal sins can cause a person to go to Hell unless confessed to a priest, who then absolves the sinner in God's name.


First of all, I'm shocked there's nothing about piercings, tattoos, or wearing jeans too low, because those things really seem to piss off older folks like archbishops and popes. But, anyway, let's review:


"(Within bioethics) there are areas where we absolutely must denounce some violations of the fundamental rights of human nature through experiments and genetic manipulation whose outcome is difficult to predict and control,"


Ok, this one is cool because most of us aren't scientists, and scientists themselves don't believe this stuff anyway. Plus they don't say anything about being "cured" from stem cells or anything like that. You see, the Pope is a lot like that lady from PETA who uses insulin while denouncing all use of animals for medical purposes. They talk a good game, but when they're sick, they just want a cure and don't care if it came from baby tears.


Girotti also attacked drugs, saying they "weaken the mind and obscure intelligence."


Well, duh. We wouldn't expect someone like Girotti to understand the soothing elements of mind-weakening and intelligence-obscuring, anyway. Now go back and enjoy your wine, Archbishop.


On the growing gap between rich and poor, he said it causes "an unbearable social injustice."


Wouldn't it just rock to see the Pope show up somewhere with a Che Guevara, shirt? I mean, he'd be a total poser, but it would be cool.


Pope Benedict has made several strong statements on the environment in recent months, saying problems like climate change had become critical to humanity's future.


Quick, someone call Captain Ed and the folks at National Review Online! Al Gore has gotten to the Pope!


I just love the end of the article though:


Catholicism has two basic types of sin: Venial, which are relatively less important and forgivable, and mortal. Those can include acts like abortion and murder, although the church doesn't keep a well-defined list.


Mortal sins can cause a person to go to Hell unless confessed to a priest, who then absolves the sinner in God's name.


Damn, when you see this stuff actually written down, you really see the ridiculousness of it, don't you. I wonder if you commit a mortal sin, and then confess it to a priest who just molested a small child, you'll still be free from Hell (always capitalize "Hell").


Anyway, what it all comes down to this: tithe, you heathens, tithe!!

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William K. Wolfrum is a regular blogger for Shakesville


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What's Missing...
Posted by: Xynyx on Mar 10, 2008 4:45 PM   
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What's missing from the RCC is any real evidence that they possess the kind of ethical or moral virtue that would be required for them to be taken seriously on any subject whatsoever.

The Pope is a former (?) Nazi. He is the figurehead of the global flagship for patriarchy. The RCC couldn't manage to say that molesting boys is wrong, and instead chose to continue their enabling behavior of relocating accused molesters to other dioceses where they could molest different boys.

Mumia Abul Jamal is far and away a better ethical and moral standard, even if he did kill a police officer... and I don't think that he did.

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» RE: What's Missing... Posted by: saltoafronteira
» RE: the pope is a Nazi... Posted by: jimidee
Promises, premises
Posted by: Ocean tides on Mar 10, 2008 7:33 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The bottom line, at least the way I see it, is that the Vatican thinks it has this in-road to god that no one else does and thus they can make all kinds of proclamations because they and only they have the goods on a first line channel to the almighty.

All 'sins' listed aside, it is incredible that in today's world the Vatican can still expect and presume that Catholics will follow their party line on what the nature of the afterlife (indeed if such a thing exists)and actually believe that if they don't consult and confess sins to a priest they wind up in hell.

If the church is wondering why its many more enlightened members are leaving en masse, they should look no further than an antiquated system that, to this day, presumes power and control over their adherents.

There is nothing so amusing as the folly committed and the fear-mongering rendered than that in Catholic and fundamentalist churches.

In fact, wait until late summer and early fall. Once again, the Vatican which would like nothing better than to influence the up-coming presidential election and it will do same with a variation on the remark a few months ago and that is who we vote for will affect our "eternal salvation".

Put this way, in their context, yeah our "eternal salvation" will be affected, particularly if there is a third term for Bush! In fact, the much-hoped for Armaggedon will take care of that nicely.

When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross
............Sinclair Lewis

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» RE: Promises, premises Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Promises, premises Posted by: Bigioni
Yawn!
Posted by: ruscle on Mar 10, 2008 10:03 PM   
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Where on the list is diddling little alter boys? ... What... They forgot to mention it in the list? ... Again... Really? ... I'm so surprised. How about sex with stem cells? . . . . . . . . . . When can we leave this superstition behind?

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Bless me Father, for I have sinned
Posted by: Dallas on Mar 11, 2008 3:32 AM   
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I used disposable diapers.
I don't recycle.
I won the lottery.
I drank wine Sunday at Communion.

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When that bejeweled bastard
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Mar 11, 2008 3:57 AM   
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Starts selling off church property and using the funds to help the poor, stops hiding out pedophiles in Rome, and makes a full confession of the sins of the church, he can pretend to some moral authority.

Until then, he should just STFU.

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» EXTREMELY well said! Posted by: kimbari
One thing I don't get about the Catholics...
Posted by: mjglow on Mar 11, 2008 4:00 AM   
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Mortal sins can cause a person to go to Hell unless confessed to a priest, who then absolves the sinner in God's name.

Basically...giant loophole: you can sin all you want...you just gotta make sure you confess before you die. Kill, maim, torture, rape...all is forgiven if you can just get to a priest before you die. You're only in 'danger' if you get run over by a bus or something sudden like that and are deprived of your last rites.

And they say morality is derived from god and religion...it has nothing to do with morality, it's all about self-interest.

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Also...
Posted by: mjglow on Mar 11, 2008 4:06 AM   
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The Roman Catholic Church has previously spoken out against stem cell research that requires the destruction of human embryos, believing that life begins at conception.

Do embryos go to heaven?:) I mean, really...should we start having funerals for embryos? How do they materialize in heaven...as the person they were 'meant' to be or as fetal tissue? Seriously, though...what about the thousands of already living human beings that benefit greatly from stem cell research? are they not worthy of god's consideration?

Girotti also attacked drugs, saying they "weaken the mind and obscure intelligence."

Funny...I always thought religion did exactly that.

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» RE: Also... Posted by: Lauren
So pot smoking IS a mortal sin?
Posted by: Lauren on Mar 11, 2008 5:45 AM   
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I knew that, they have a bible verse. I was waiting for this statement.

He is justifying their treatment of native America.
What do they say about the Native American Church specifically?

He want's to hold on to the fantasy that the genocidal ethnic cleansing of native Americans by his church is OK because our religion is sinful.

That it was justified.

He is wrong.

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Paul
Posted by: Bigioni on Mar 11, 2008 6:35 AM   
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I check alternet.org "religiously", and I am often amazed at the religious intolerance I see there. It's disappointing to me because I generally share the progressive views that make up alternet's content. Instead of derision, why don't you just face the fact that social justice is a key element of Catholicism. If you did, then you would gain yourselves something like a billion new friends who could help you on issues like poverty and health care. For anyone who dismisses Catholicism as rightist or elitist, I can say only that you should check your facts before you speak up: read Catholic social teachings going back to the 1800's and you will see ideas and principles that are way left of the current narrow (reactionary)range of American political debate.

I detest the latest atheist ranting from the likes of Hitchens and Dawkins not because they are atheists (it's a free country, at least for the time being) but because they are based on a silly, fundamentalist caricature of religion that does not come close to describing Catholic spirituality. Hitchens in particular doesn't even appear to have done the basic research necessary to critically analyse the subject matter. He writes at about the intellectual level of a bitter adolescent.

If you really want to criticize the Catholic Church, then read its social doctrines and point out any differences you find between that doctrine and the actions of the Catholic clergy. You will find some, but not near as many as you might think - and your criticisms will be intellectually and morally sound - not like the bitter, ignorant anti-religious sputtering that I read too often on this site.

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» what you say versus what you do Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» RE: Paul Posted by: Miamidude
How About
Posted by: NoPCZone on Mar 11, 2008 7:47 AM   
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1- The molesting of children by Catholic Officials.
2- The covering up of the molestation.
3- The restructuring and hiding of Church assets to avoid attachment for compensation to the victims.
4- The reassignment of known molesters out of one local jurisdiction to another.
5- Denial that their is or ever was a problem.

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There is nothing more vile than Religion
Posted by: CAR25 on Mar 11, 2008 9:02 AM   
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Religion, has been one of the opposing forces for positive change and advancement through science and ethics for decades now... in the past, the church fought against the study of the human body, women's rights, minority rights etc... why would anyone in today's world ever bend an ear to these backwater ignoramuses and fools?

If it were up to these clowns in the church (or perhaps even "religious authorities" of another 'faiths,' they would ban science books, and we would still be using leaches to "cure" the HIV contracted after not being allowed to use a condom (another "evil" thing to the church).

Is there anything more "evil" than these man made religious doctrines and institutions? They were responsible for too many millions upon millions of dead through out their "crusading" through forced conversions, killing "heathen none believers," intolerance as well as just pure ignorance.

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Intolerance on Alternet?
Posted by: SnowKat on Mar 11, 2008 9:43 AM   
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I agree with Paul's earlier post. I have seen a lot of religious intolerance on Alternet recently and it saddens me. I am not Catholic, so I cannot claim to speak for them. However, I am choosing to send my children to a Catholic school because it offers a much SAFER environment (yes, I have considered the priest issue, but the teachers are all women) for my children than public school, a better education, and less chance of being bullied. Catholics are very progressive compared to many Protestant and/or Evangelical churches. They are dedicated to stopping global warming, teach evolution in their schools (Biblically based- i.e. "day" is not our version of a "day"), are very dedicated to social justice, and treat each child as a unique human being. The children at the Catholic school seem happy, love their school, and regularly demonstrate a tremendous amount of love and kindness for their classmates. The public school in our area (rated a 10 out of 10, one of the best), was awful. The kids were very quiet and sullen, very few smiles, no laughter. The public school has no arts program and no reccess, both of which the Catholic school has. As far as the priest abuse scandal, yes it's horrible, but you will find child abuse in just about every organized religion, and many unorganized ones (atheiests and pagans have been convicted of abuse as well). To judge millions of people on what a few in their church have done is wrong, and all of you are better than that, I hope.

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Otto
Posted by: otto on Mar 11, 2008 11:26 AM   
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Where do the quotes or statements in dark print come from?

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Make fun, at least chatolic church did something
Posted by: saltoafronteira on Mar 11, 2008 12:20 PM   
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Your american politicians, AND YOU ALL AS A PEOPLE, didn“t.
When YOUR super-mega-oximoron of a president (and I underline the word YOUR, because you all deserve it, having been, actively or passively, compliant with IT'S illegal jump into the oval office), decided to blow IRAK into the skyes, or more accuratelly, into HELL, there was a bloody pope (a conservative one, unlike the current one, wich I particularly dilisked), John Paul II, who said plainly, publicly, for everyone to hear, and juste before it actually happened, that invading IRAK was a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY.
And he plainfully held your little shit of a president directly accountable.
Then, all of you pseudo-intellectuals laughed, of course, because in spite of everything he, after all, was the pope ! An everyone knows that a good thinking, politically correct intellectual cant seriously give credit to some bloody pope of the blody conservative chatolic church.
I'm not very fond of any church, and the chatolic one is no exception.
But, at least, I must recognize one thing. They are much much more coherent than the person who wrote this article and, generally, all the elegant pseudo good thinkers that bark loud but do little.
At least them (the chatolics) denounce what they believe to be unfair without fear or selection (if life is sacred, than all the means to break it are ilicit) and dare to plunge in the shitty third world to help the ones who suffer. Unlike your bloody protestant pseudo preachers that are trying to provoke armaggedon in order to save our souls, like that clown who now supports that McCain animal wich, by the way, is the typical american product, like Baptists, or McDonalds, or Blackwater, or Coca-Cola, or Chevron, or KBR and Haliburton wich, by the way, as corporations are, presently, infinitely more dangerous than the chatolics.
I pity you and your arrogant mockery.

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Here's the annotated* version of the original.
Posted by: reval on Mar 11, 2008 1:00 PM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Vatican has unveiled some new sins for the 21st century, such as genetic manipulation, pollution and social injustice.

Archbishop Gianfranco Girotti, the Vatican's number-two official for sins and penance, told L'Osservatore Romano that he saw bioethics as posing the greatest risks for the human soul.
("Human soul?" Please help me: I think I may have heard my cranium crack. How these morons could possibly sit by and idly watch the events in Darfur and at the same time talk about saving an immaterial, non-verifiable entity has got to be one of deepest mysteries in the entire universe. Still, they troll the avenues of South America gaining converts to these delusions on a daily basis.)

"(Within bioethics) there are areas where we absolutely must denounce some violations of the fundamental rights of human nature through experiments and genetic manipulation whose outcome is difficult to predict and control," he told the Vatican's official newspaper on Sunday in an interview headlined "New Forms of Social Sin."
("Outcome is difficult to predict and control?" Oh yea, I think we can all see where this line of reasoning is headed. I just wish that they could have engaged in this kind of reasoning while they watched the mass of humanity burn in ovens after visiting the Angel of Death, aka, the good Doctor Mengele.)

Girotti also attacked drugs, saying they "weaken the mind and obscure intelligence."
(This is coming from a member of the same cult whose founding disciples were well-known to have regularly ingested powerful hallucinogens to invoke their "visions!"

On the growing gap between rich and poor, he said it causes "an unbearable social injustice."
(It's words like this for which this bizarre cult is legendary - endless yammering on and on about the obvious, telling us things that any person with only two living brain cells is well aware of at birth.)

Pope Benedict has made several strong statements on the environment in recent months, saying problems like climate change had become critical to humanity's future.
(Looks like the fool may have actually spent an evening watching "An Inconvenient Truth."

Catholicism has two basic types of sin: Venial, which are relatively less important and forgivable, and mortal.
(Now this is very important stuff, so listen up.)

Mortal sin can include acts like abortion and murder, although the church doesn't keep a well-defined list.
(No, in fact, it changes regularly. When these buffoons burned witches alive, pulled limbs off of living victims, exhumed heretics to re-execute them or helped enslave and destroy Native Americans, they believed they were "doing god's work. It's nice to see that they are still so exuberant about their "rock solid, unchanging ethos.")

Mortal sins can cause a person to go to Hell unless confessed to a priest, who then absolves the sinner in God's name.
(These guys never seem to run out of saps willing to buy this load, do they? It must work, their pews are growing at a faster rate then the other insanocrats vying for their share of credulous pie.)

*Annotated, that is, to reflect reality a little more accurately.

Rev. El
Pastor, WVCSR

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The unveiling
Posted by: Doubtom on Mar 11, 2008 1:45 PM   
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Hey POOP! Unveil this! I've got a suggestion, take that pointy hat and shove it into your nether regions! The world grows weary of your childish con game. Get a job!
You're obviously not smart enough to realize how hypocritical it is for the head of a church whose priests fancy small boys, to be lecturing the world about sin. Besides you dress funny.

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Until people stop allowing priests and other shaman to tell them how to live
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Mar 11, 2008 10:41 PM   
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we're going to keep having this insanity to deal with. And there's more than enough other insanity out there without it.

Ian

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the Pope and...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Mar 12, 2008 3:42 AM   
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... his Roman hordes matter to world events how again?

The Roman Empire died 1600 years ago...
and was the most violent and disgusting example of human excess ever to exist...
THEY KILLED Christ!
then took over HIS faith and fellowship and made it there own...
Persecuting the Jews [Jesus's own people] for millennia, blaming them Killing Christ?
when it was the Romans who crucified him!

The Tomb of Christ and his family was found at Talpiot Israel... while they mock the science, they ignore their own crimes against humanity going back to Christ's time and is still rampant to this day...

the basic tenets of all faiths I will always have...
but to entrust my soul to the care of such a byzantine system of ancient Rome... NEVER...
I would rather entrust my soul to the care of the crazy Mullahs of Islam before I ever recognize a Roman divinity...

To me my faith is through my Queen, as she's a proven commodity
and someone I can actually relate to and be proud of!

God Bless the Queen

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