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Bush Vetoes Ban on Waterboarding

Posted by Amanda Terkel, Think Progress at 11:44 AM on March 8, 2008.


Former Director of National Intelligence General Harry Soyster says the current director Mike McConnell should be fired over this.
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Today in his radio address, President Bush announced that he had vetoed the Intelligence Authorization Act, which would ban the use of waterboarding and place the CIA’s interrogation program under the dictates of the U.S. Army Field Manual.

In the past few weeks, Bush administration officials have aggressively attempted to defend the CIA’s torture techniques. The most incredible statements came from spokeswoman Dana Perino and Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell. On Feb. 14, Perino defended the veto decision by denigrating the experience of U.S. troops:

The Army Field Manual is a perfectly appropriate document that is important for young GIs, some so young that they’re not even able to legally get a drink in the states where they’re from.

Before the Senate Intelligence Committee that same day, Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell echoed Perino’s comments, stating that the Army Field Manual is “designed for young and inexperienced” men and women in uniform.

ThinkProgress spoke with ret. Army Lt. Gen. Harry E. Soyster, who served as the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) during DESERT SHIELD/STORM. He called Bush’s veto a “mistake”:

I think that he will be sending an unclear message to the troops. … Gen. Petraeus has made it very clear in his letter to the troops that the standard is the Army Field Manual.

Soyster also sharply criticized McConnell’s defense of the techniques:

I would say that if Mike McConnell worked for me, I’d fire him. That is one of the weakest arguments. The Army has a lot of good training, 10-, 18-week courses at the school. And many of our interrogators have been in the Army for 28 years. They’re not 18-year old kids. […]

And the idea, in fact, these techniques [used by] the experts at the CIA — waterboarding, sleep deprivation, hypothermia, whatever those techniques are — it doesn’t take much expertise to use those. You know, dumb guys in the Middle Ages were doing the same thing. The KGB were strong on sleep deprivation. So there’s no skill required from the CIA. They may need those techniques because of their skill level. And they think that they need them.

Soyster added that one of the interrogation experts who had worked for him at the DIA laughed “at the idea that anyone would be so incompetent as to have to use any of these [torture] techniques.” Many interrogators, in fact, don’t even go to the extend that the Field Manual authorizes, “because good interrogators don’t need those techniques.”

Soyster also noted that the three-star commander in Afghanistan confirmed that the Army Field Manual “gives him everything he needs.”

UPDATE: The Gavel has respones from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), as well as other military leaders.

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Amanda Terkel is Deputy Research Director at the Center for American Progress and serves as Deputy Editor for The Progress Report and ThinkProgress.org at the Center for American Progress.


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George The Terrible, Bush The Impaler
Posted by: QQOblivion on Mar 8, 2008 1:02 PM   
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The bill that Bush vetoed would not only have banned waterboarding, but would have banned such practices such as the burning of detainees and forcing detainees to have homosexual relations with each other, among other things.

Hey, Bush is just keeping us safe (not!), I guess.

These people, including the Republicans who voted against the bill and especially Bush, are literally evil. There is no other way to say it.

This is why I believe in Hell, if not Heaven.
First, Hell on Earth is created by those who rule over us.
Second, those that rule over us are SO evil that their existence creates a Hell just out of the sheer mass of vile monstrosity they embody.
(But then again, maybe God IS real, but is evil. And He/She/It actually REWARDS the Bush and Cheneys of the world in the afterlife. That would figure, knowing my luck.)

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Bush for torture? Torture for Bush!
Posted by: ikonoklast on Mar 8, 2008 2:17 PM   
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I could wish that George W. Bush's numerous crimes would be construed in such a way that he is deemed an "enemy combatant" and can himself experience the full gamut of "advanced interrogation techniques" that he has authorized--but as an American, I stand firmly against the use of torture, even in cases so poetically deserving.

Nevertheless, this man needs to be impeached, interrogated, convicted, and executed--in accordance with the rule of law and the Constitution of the United States.

We, the American people, need to show our (s)elected leaders that we will not stand for incompetence, malfeasance, or criminal mismanagement. We must demand a full and impartial investigation into the "alleged" crimes and misdemeanors of the current administration and prosecute all wrongdoers to the fullest extent of the law.

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Pelosi Must Go
Posted by: Dadster3 on Mar 10, 2008 7:37 AM   
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In the link to her comments on Bush's veto, The Gavel quoted her as saying:

"In the final analysis, our ability to lead the world will depend not only on our military might, but also on our moral authority."

Not only has she unilaterally placed impeachment off the table, she apparently believes in taking whatever we want by force, euphemistically calling that "...or ability to lead the world."

Good Luck, Cindy. I'll send you some money for your campaign.

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FUBAR
Posted by: peacefullaim on Mar 10, 2008 8:28 PM   
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The president of the USA says it's not only ok but imperative that we as a nation allow, commit, condone (whatever) torturing people. . .that is we TORTURE people. . .and nobody stops him. . .impeachment is off the table. . .George Bush is having people tortured and getting away with it. . .who's fault is that?

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