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This Just In: T-Shirts Don't Cause Rape

Posted by Lucinda Marshall, Feminist Peace Network at 8:33 AM on February 16, 2008.


No doubt about it, that is a headline I never thought I'd write, but thanks to Aussie MP Bob Such, apparently we need to clarify a few facts.
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No doubt about it, that is a headline I never thought I'd write, but thanks to Aussie MP Bob Such, apparently we need to clarify a few facts.

"Independent MP Bob Such has also accused the women who wear them of demeaning their sex.

The South Australian pollie and former Speaker of the SA Parliament yesterday said some clothing could lead to men losing respect for women.

"I am not one to say that it in any way justifies a sexual assault, because it does not, but I see women getting around in T-shirts saying 'Give me a few more drinks and I will do this or that' and displaying comments drawing attention to their breasts and so on," he said.

"People may say these are flippant comments but they do not help in trying to impress on young men a respect for women. Some of these women do not help, they actually demean women overall."

During his speech Mr Such also questioned how someone could be charged with rape if consent was withdrawn "part way through intercourse".

"I am aware in Western Australia men have been convicted of rape on the basis that they were part way through sexual intercourse and did not stop.

"I am interested in the Attorney's justification for that. I think that the everday person - male or female, and I have spoken to men and women about this - finds it hard to understand how, if intercourse is underway someone can say "stop the world I want you to get off" and how that is really a reasonable action that could result in someone being charged with rape.""

When I first saw the above, all I could do was sputter incoherently, so I asked UK activist Jennifer Drew if she would like to offer a response and she kindly obliged with this excellent response:

"Independent MP Bob Such was wrong in accusing women of demeaning their sex when they wear T-shirts with captions such as 'Give me a few more drinks and I will do this or that' etc. It is the manufacturers who print and sell these T-shirts who should be held accountable for promoting the normalisation of women as men's sexualised commodities.

Many women wear these T-shirts because they perceive them as either 'edgy' or simply humorous which is not surprising given the media claims such phrases are supposedly sexually empowering to women. T-shirts with captions saying 'Give me a few more drinks etc.' do not in themselves cause men to rape women. Male rapists choose to rape women irrespective of whether or not a woman is wearing a supposedly 'provocative T-shirt.'

I am surprised Bob Such claims a man should not be charged with rape if a woman withdraws her consent after a man has commenced penetrating her with his penis. It is well known that men are not suddenly rendered incapable of withdrawing once their penises have entered a woman's body. Imagine a scenario wherein a woman and man are engaged in consensual penetration and the woman's or man's parents enter the room unannounced.

Does the man continue penetration or does he withdraw out of embarrassment. Of course he withdraws because he has been caught 'in flagante.' Rape is rape and if a woman changes her mind after initially consenting to being penetrated, then her right of bodily integrity must be upheld. I am certain if a man consented to being penetrated anally and he changed his mind this would be upheld as his right.

No, Bob Such, it is not just parents' responsibility to teach their boys that women like men have the right of sexual autonomy, it is society's responsibility too. The state has a responsibility of safeguarding all its citizens and this includes promoting women's sexual rights. Male-defined ideas of what supposedly comprises 'consent' to any sexual act must be challenged, since true consent cannot occur unless both parties mutually and freely agree. Too often men presume they know precisely what women desire sexually and it always neatly concurs with men's sexual desires and beliefs."

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Lucinda Marshall is a feminist artist, writer and activist. She is the Founder of the Feminist Peace Network. Her work has been published in numerous publications in the U.S. and abroad including, Counterpunch, AlterNet, Dissident Voice, Off Our Backs, the Progressive, Countercurrents, Z Magazine, Common Dreams, In These Times and Information Clearinghouse. She also blogs at WIMN Online and writes a monthly column for the Louisville Eccentric Observer.


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See Cape Fear (1991)
Posted by: drmflorida on Feb 16, 2008 1:54 PM   
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I suggest watching the remake of Cape Fear for a demonstration of how consensual sex can turn into rape. He apparently can only comprehend of rape as a form of theft: the rapist steals sex from the victim by failing to get consent or pay. I suppose in some limited instances, this allegory makes sense (such as violation of the unconscious). Its more often a form of assault, and in these cases any prior consent is worthless.

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I know this guy!
Posted by: cwilsondrum on Feb 16, 2008 3:21 PM   
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He knows what everybody wants. and is not afraid to tell you. asswipe.
I would wager that people he knows avoid him all the time. nough said

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He's not all wrong though
Posted by: iatsebean on Feb 16, 2008 4:08 PM   
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As a woman, I find it is more demeaning to women to suggest that because manufacturers print a shirt that a woman has no choice but to be swayed by cultural pressure to wear it. Every woman who buys and wears these shirts is completely responsible for perpetuating whatever gender myth is emblazoned across her chest. And I would fight for her right to do so even though I agree that these women do not help the 'cause' of women everywhere attempting to gain respect and perspective from men. The point is though, that women ARE smart and capable and should be held to the standard of a smart and capable human being even in their choice of t-shirts.

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Life is too short to wear stupid T-shirts
Posted by: hagwind on Feb 16, 2008 4:18 PM   
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OK, this guy is a jerk, and T-shirts don't cause rape, and wearing a T-shirt that says "Buy me a diamond ring and I'll screw on demand" doesn't mean you're obliged to comply if the guy actually does buy you a diamond ring, but blaming the manufacturers for stupid T-shirts that some women are stupid enough to buy and wear? That's silly.

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The Author is Off Base
Posted by: nohope4change on Feb 16, 2008 4:24 PM   
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His tee shirt issue is right on. They are demeaning. They invite bad behavior on the part of immature men (not rape) that only serves to continue the demeaning of women. Why do women wear stuff like that if they don't expect stupid comments and actions (not rape)? Women should take some responsibility (not for rape).

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» Where's The Rule-Book? Posted by: pdxstudent
» RE: Post Hoc Posted by: mr. joshua
speaking of involuntary
Posted by: Lauren on Feb 16, 2008 7:25 PM   
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I went looking for nice spiritual music and found a new horror instead. This kind of stuff makes me furious. Of course I rushed straight to AlterNet to share this shocker with you, and what do I find? The perfect story to post it in.

Sometimes it is hard to believe how bad the world is. The only upside to that is it will give all of us busy monkeys plenty to do - improving the heck out of it's nastier habits - while we are remaking the garden of eden out of it.

Don't say we can't, we can. We must.
The earth is our mother.

Just watch us do it,
the dream is alive.
Hallelujah!

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» That IS a shocker! Posted by: henderson
» RE: That IS a shocker! Posted by: Lauren
» RE: speaking of involuntary Posted by: efrainstacy
» RE: speaking of involuntary Posted by: Longdream
Too often men presume they know precisely
Posted by: bitsfick on Feb 17, 2008 3:19 AM   
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what women desire sexually and it always neatly concurs with men's sexual desires and beliefs." Or you could say....

Too often men presume they know precisely what everyone desires morally and it always neatly concurs with their moral, desires and beliefs."

That's called religion.

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Maybe I Am Old-Fahioned
Posted by: blackie4aces on Feb 17, 2008 12:58 PM   
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but women who wear T-shirts advertizing their willingnes to have sex for a couple of drinks, money, or what-have-you in my day were known as sluts, or worse. They do not demean women. They demean themelves. The idea that manufacturers of these items are responsible for the individuals' choice to purchase and wear this stuff is so eminently ridiculous it should bear no comment at all. Do we blame the manufacturers of swaztika arm bands for the ideology and behavior of those who wear them? Maybe, but no one absolves the wearers of responsibility. Corporate merchants are ultimately ammoral. They sell what sells.

Each of these concepts, that a relatively tiny contingent of a vastly larger group can exert a major affect upon it, and a rejection of personal choice and reponsibility, taken together demonstrate a lack of respect for individuality and the cultivation of victimhood that most movements ultimately engender. And this has to be the most demeaning element of all.

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» RE: Maybe I Am Old-Fahioned Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Corporate Merchants Posted by: mr. joshua
» RE: You are old fashioned. Posted by: Longdream
The courts have long since decided this.
Posted by: Longdream on Feb 17, 2008 11:36 PM   
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No apparel, behavior, or look on the part of a woman, no 'she was walking in a certain place at a certain time' excuse on the part of a rapist is a mitigating factor in the crime.

A woman is entitled to dress as she pleases, walk where she pleases, and adopt the style that she pleases without fear of being assaulted. Before, or during any sex act, should the woman object, any action other than a full stop on the part of the man is rape.

Rape is not about sex, sexual attraction or seduction. By its definition, rape is a crime of assaultive violence and power, committed against a powerless person. The sex act is the means by which the crime is committed, but is not the crux of it.

If the dude in the article were dragged into the 20th Century it would be an improvement.

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» Again, PLEASE read.. Posted by: henderson
Silly
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Feb 18, 2008 6:32 AM   
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A t-shirt is not a legally binding contract. Nor is the acceptance of a lobster dinner and a movie.

And by the way, how does this guy know so much about what these t-shirts say? And what does his wife think about him reading women's t-shirts all day?

People should be able to wear whatever they want, except maybe a t-shirt that says "FIRE!!!" in a crowded theater.

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» RE: Silly Posted by: Lauren
» It's called "denial" Posted by: henderson
» RE: Heh heh Posted by: Longdream