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John McCain Doubles Down on "100 Years in Iraq" Pledge

Posted by Blue Texan, Firedoglake at 8:10 AM on February 16, 2008.


St. McCain has officially adopted "Iraq 4 Evah!" as a campaign slogan.
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St. McCain has officially adopted "Iraq 4 Evah!" as a campaign slogan:

Republican presidential front-runner Sen. John McCain on Thursday defended his statement that U.S. troops could spend "maybe 100" years in Iraq -- saying he was referring to a military presence similar to what the nation already has in places like Japan, Germany and South Korea.
This again? For the last time, no Americans were getting killed in those countries 5 years after those wars started. And there weren't radicalized religious movements in those countries that our occupation was enraging. And two of those countries had actually, you know, declared war on us and stuff. (And by the way, why the hell do we still have troops in Japan and Germany?)

"It's not a matter of how long we're in Iraq, it's if we succeed or not," McCain said to CNN's Larry King.


Truly the words of a madman. Ahab-esque.

So it really doesn't matter how many more Americans get killed or many more trillions of dollars it costs. Doesn't matter if we lose another 4,000 men and women, another 30,000 wounded, spend another more trillion dollars, and kill a few hundred thousand more Iraqis. Doesn't matter how many more thousands of jihadis our occupation of Iraq is creating. Doesn't matter!

As long as we can spike the ball in the endzone at some point in the undefined future and say, "We won!!!!"-- it's all good.

What's missing here, of course, is St. McCain never says precisely what "success" means, what an acceptable price to pay for that "success" is, and at what point does the price we've paid to date make "success" by any measure impossible.

Unfortunately for St. McCain, the rest of America has already made up its mind on the matter

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Blue Texan is a regular contributing blogger for FireDogLake.


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Thank you, Sen. McCain!:D
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Feb 16, 2008 8:15 AM   
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Every time you mention this, you're driving more voters away.

jdfu!

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Did McCain fully recover from his Vietnam ordeal
Posted by: Patriot46 on Feb 16, 2008 9:17 AM   
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Post-traumatic stress disorder may affect survivors of such traumatic events as sexual or physical assault, war, torture, a natural disaster or an airplane crash. Post-traumatic stress disorder also can affect rescue workers at the site of mass casualties or other tragedies. These kinds of events may cause intense fear, helplessness or horror.

It's important to get treatment as soon as possible to help prevent PTSD from getting worse.

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But Don't Forget,
Posted by: chicano2nd on Feb 16, 2008 9:50 AM   
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the money behind the resurgent McCain is the money that was behind Swift Boat. Those people have no qualms about half-truths and lies and they have Faux news to help them spread their shit. The pathological liar O'Reilly will set the tone and then the idiot wannabe on CNN, Lou Dobson will start to chime in, a little "terrorist scare" that in reality is terrorism in itself will be implemented and the race will be neck to neck.

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» RE: But Don't Forget, Posted by: Patriot46
» RE: But Don't Forget, Posted by: chicano2nd
Never, in a million years......
Posted by: TRUTHer on Feb 16, 2008 10:22 AM   
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did I think it possible to find someone WORSE than Bush ! But it really happened! McCain is that person. He almost makes me like Huckabee......and that in itself is scary as hell.

We are doomed! It is imperative to get Dr. Paul as a front runner. You may not like or agree with some of his ideas, but they can be defeated. But overall, Ron Paul is a compassionate, American loving man who will bring peace and prosperity back to this country. It won't be easy, it won't happen overnight, but we really need someone who wants to STOP THE KILLING. Who will stop outsourcing. Who will stop giving our money away to other countries, and who will stop us from policing the whole world.
If you know of anyone else who can do this....we sure need them now.
Until then..Dr. Paul. He is not owned by the media, not bought and paid for by the corporations.
We need action. We must stop McCain. Sad as it is, we must stop them all. Hillary and Obama are AIPAC property. We are in trouble.

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» Dr Paul opposes National ID Posted by: jobeob
I love it!!
Posted by: graffen48 on Feb 16, 2008 1:16 PM   
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Please, let this man keep talking away. He's sinking his own ship!!

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And just how do you define "Success"?????
Posted by: Quannah on Feb 16, 2008 1:27 PM   
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..."It's not a matter of how long we're in Iraq, it's if we succeed or not," McCain said to CNN's Larry King."

Tell that to the families of those who are in the Meat Grinder there! Tell that to the families whose son/daughter/mother/father/brother/sister/friend have died because of this FIASCO of a war that you want to go on FOREVAH! Tell them as they mourn the loss of their loved ones!

Shame on you, you pompous dick!

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Vietnam revisited
Posted by: RobNLA on Feb 16, 2008 2:04 PM   
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Iraqi's and other people are fighting a guerilla war and won't stop, ever, until the US and it's allies leave the country.

If another country invaded the United States with overwhelming force, replaced our government, routinely killed Americans and started taking our most valuable resources...what would you do? Most of us would find some guns, some weapons, and fight back in any way we could.

That was what Vietnamese did. And this is what the Iraqis are doing. A vast majority really want us to leave, badly...and many will die to get rid of us.

There is no winning in Iraq for us. At best winning would be to leave and provide relief to help them rebuild.

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When I think of some Republicans I know ,
Posted by: Opinionator on Feb 16, 2008 7:00 PM   
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who think this fool could be a good President, I could cry. We need that breath of fresh air that Obama would bring. It would be better than a revolution and the USA would start healing.

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There is something basically very, very, wrong ...
Posted by: monkeywrench on Feb 16, 2008 8:37 PM   
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... with our political process when ignorant lunatics such as McCain manage to make it to the level of presidential candidate – especially after eight God-damned years of an eerily similar ignorant, lunatic president, George Bush. Are we suffering from some sort of nationwide mass schizophrenia, some sort of multi-million-member reality break? That ANYBODY could take McCain as anything other than either a clown or a hopelessly delusional victim of "The Neocon Candidate"-type brainwashing beggars the limits of rationality. (Quick! Somebody flash a deck of playing cards in front of this man – especially the terrorist face-card deck – and see if he breaks out in a sweat to any of them BEFORE he possibly gets handed the Keys to the Kingdom.)

If we have to suffer through four or eight more years of another self-annointed, war-mongering king and his court of sycophants, there won't be enough of America left to save.

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by the way
Posted by: Richard House on Feb 17, 2008 12:46 AM   
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"(And by the way, why the hell do we still have troops in Japan and Germany?)"

Don't forget Italy. There is a build-up going on. Currently Vicenza has around 5,000 based in Vicenza (mostly Airborne command), and after the new base on the other side of town is finished, the count will double. Not counting the Air Force in Aviano and the Navy in Naples.

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» RE: by the way Posted by: gregii
» RE: by the way Posted by: Melvin
» RE: by the way Posted by: leland61
MCCAIN THE SACRIFICIAL LAMB
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Feb 17, 2008 2:21 PM   
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It's sad to see this happening to him. Politics is a dirty game. But he did put himself in the race and seems determined to see it through. I can't picture him holding his own in a debate with Obama or Clinton. Maybe the Republicans put him out there because someone has to run. I don't believe they think he can win, nor can any other Republican at this point. Thanks, ANNA

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» I think you are right VZEQICVA. Posted by: oceanwaves99999
MCCAIN THE SACRIFICIAL LAMB
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Feb 17, 2008 2:21 PM   
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It's sad to see this happening to him. Politics is a dirty game. But he did put himself in the race and seems determined to see it through. I can't picture him holding his own in a debate with Obama or Clinton. Maybe the Republicans put him out there because someone has to run. I don't believe they think he can win, nor can any other Republican at this point. Thanks, ANNA

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Dementia has set in.
Posted by: leland61 on Feb 17, 2008 6:48 PM   
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I suppose I'm going to get a lot of flack for saying this but McCain is TOO OLD TO BE ELECTED POUSA.

If we have a lower limit on age we ought to have an upper limit for election of president. For instance, we should have a limit that says you may not be more than 60 years of age at election to your first term. If you serve two terms you're going to be about 68. (That is how old I am.) That is already getting to be too old to be president.

How many more demented Ronnies do we need in the White House. It is more than apparent from much of what McCain is already saying that dementia has set in. Anyone who talks about having troops in Iraq, and I think that if anyone bothered to ask Afghanistan would be the same, for 100 years is already certifiable.

While we're at it we should administer IQ tests to those running for any public office. It is no wonder the world thinks Americans are all lunatics when we elect a President whose IQ is demonstrably about the same as Juno Alaska at midnight on Midwinter.

Then the MMPI. We need to get the psychopaths like Cheney culled out as well - and DeLay and many others like them.

Just some ideas on cleaning up our election process and getting better candidates.

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The oil is too important---McCain is a parrot for big oil
Posted by: manderson on Feb 18, 2008 10:40 AM   
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McCain's remarks only illustrate the importance of oil to the future of this country (or perhaps the ownership elite) and to industrial society in general. He's only saying what his future employers want him to. The website FromTheWilderness.com said that "the war in Iraq will be won when oil production reaches 3.5 million b/d". It currently stands at around 1.8, due to sabotage and general lackadaisical behavior by the Iraq oil ministry employees. As to people's general ability to cope with Peak Oil, I have my doubts. A quote from an old movie, "3 Days Of The Condor":

Turner (Robert Redford): "Do we have plans to invade the Middle East ?"

Higgins (Cliff Robertson): " Are you crazy?"

Turner: " Am I?"

Higgins: "Look, Turner…"

Turner: "Do we have plans?"

Higgins: "No. Absolutely not. We have games. That's all. We play games. What if? How many men? What would it take? Is there a cheaper way to destabilize a régime? That's what we're paid to do."

Turner: "Go on. So Atwood just took the game too seriously. He was really going to do it, wasn't he?”

Higgins: "It was a renegade operation. Atwood knew 54-12 would never authorize it. There was no way, not with the heat on the Company.”

Turner: "What if there hadn't been any heat? Supposing I hadn't stumbled on a plan? Say nobody had?"

Higgins: "Different ball game. The fact is there was nothing wrong with the plan. Oh, the plan was alright. The plan would have worked."

Turner: "Boy, what is it with you people? You think not getting caught in a lie is the same thing as telling the truth?"

Higgins: "No. It's simple economics. Today it's oil, right? In 10 or 15 years - food, Plutonium. And maybe even sooner. Now what do you think the people are gonna want us to do then?

Turner : " Ask them."

Higgins: "Not now - then. Ask them when they're running out. Ask them when there's no heat in their homes and they're cold. Ask them when their engines stop. Ask them when people who've never known hunger start going hungry. Do you want to know something? They won't want us to ask them. They'll just want us to get it for them."

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"...it really doesn't matter..."
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Feb 18, 2008 5:53 PM   
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"So it really doesn't matter how many more Americans get killed or many more trillions of dollars it costs. Doesn't matter if we lose another 4,000 men and women, another 30,000 wounded, spend another more trillion dollars, and kill a few hundred thousand more Iraqis."

Of course it doesn't matter! Before long the ReadRight'll have the VA so defunded they'll be down to one bandaid station suitable for a small kindergarten (some of us vets, old and new alike, are being ignored literally to death!), so they'll never have to worry about any kind of compensation to those who served - them. They'll have legislated that the entire world belongs to us, so any country anywhere is sitting on our resources and that it's perfectly legal for us to blow away, kidnap, torture or otherwise abuse anyone at all anywhere in order to preserve the Divine Order. Therefore they anticipate no added expenses (they'll make the other countries (and our own citizens, of course) pay for whatever is done to them, you see) for more wars and enforcement. Besides, three-quarters of us'll live in KBR-built, clinker camps (called things like "public housing" and such) where nothing works but the manacles and torture equipment - (they have to practice on somebody, after all).

Yup, some future they have mapped out for us, isn't it?

Ian

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