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Lieberman Endorses Waterboarding Since 'It's Not Like Using Hot Coals' on People

Posted by Amanda Terkel, Think Progress at 12:11 PM on February 15, 2008.


Joe Lieberman appears to be mimicking his close friend John McCain.
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Yesterday, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) "reluctantly acknowledged" that he doesn't believe waterboarding is torture. According to the Connecticut Post, Lieberman downplayed the severity of the waterboarding because it doesn't inflict permanent physical damage:

In the worst case scenario -- when there is an imminent threat of a nuclear attack on American soil -- Lieberman said that the president should be able to certify the use of waterboarding on a detainee suspected of knowing vital details of the plot.

"You want to be able to use emergency tech to try to get the information out of that person," Lieberman said. [...]

"It is not like putting burning coals on people's bodies. The person is in no real danger. The impact is psychological," Lieberman said.

Lieberman appears to be mimicking his close friend Sen. John McCain's (R-AZ) pandering to the right wing. Like Lieberman, McCain voted against banning waterboarding this week, even though he had previously called the technique "very exquisite torture."

Until recently, Lieberman had also raised objections to the Bush administration's interrogation practices:

- In 2006, Lieberman said that "the most effective way to get information from a suspect is persistent, long-term questioning. 'If terrorists are tried and convicted of committing a terrorist act, they should be subject to the death penalty,' he said." [AP, 9/18/06]

- As recently as December, Lieberman said, "Obviously, waterboarding is a rough, to put it mildly, technique." He added that he hadn't "resolved absolutely" whether waterboarding should be allowed to "gather information that would stop an imminent terrorist attack." [CNS News, 12/12/07]

To be classified as torture, a procedure does not have to inflict permanent physical damage. In fact, psychological torture can be worse. Former Navy airman Richard E. Mezo was subjected to "water torture" and concluded, "Pulling out my fingernails or even cutting off a finger would have been preferable. At least if someone had attacked my hands, I would have had to simply tolerate pain. But drowning is another matter."

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Amanda Terkel is Deputy Research Director at the Center for American Progress and serves as Deputy Editor for The Progress Report and ThinkProgress.org at the Center for American Progress.


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Democrats can be grateful
Posted by: badkitty on Feb 15, 2008 12:36 PM   
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Democrats can be grateful Lieberman is no longer a Democrat. Perhaps Sanders would like to change from being an Independent to something else...

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» RE: Democrats can be grateful Posted by: Prairie Waif
Dr. Lieberman, I presume?
Posted by: nochicagoboys on Feb 15, 2008 12:57 PM   
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I guess Senator Lieberman is now an expert on psychological disorders and trauma.

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Waterboarding Causes Brain Damage due to Oxygen Deprivation
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Feb 15, 2008 1:02 PM   
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All this talk about waterboarding not being torture is bullshit.

All talk of psychological torture aside, depriving the brain of oxygen, which is what waterboarding does, causes brain damage. It kills brains cells.

It is arguably the worst form of torture, other forms of physical torture tend to damage the body but they leave the brain alone, this damages the brain and leaves the rest of the body alone.

Why has this not been brought up yet?

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Proud
Posted by: bookie on Feb 15, 2008 1:27 PM   
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I hope CT is proud of electing this pig to the Senate. Is it possible for the people to demand a recall on a Senator?

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» RE: Proud Posted by: Xynyx
» Recall not possible Posted by: brunowe
Holy Joe
Posted by: JSquercia on Feb 15, 2008 2:27 PM   
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I guess what Joe really means is it must be OK afterall Israel uses it . He is probably hoping tp be McCain's running mate . Can we please Waterboard Joe and see how he feels about THEN . The one constant in all those who talk about waterboarding is that THEY ALL believe that they WOULD consider it torture if done to THEM .

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» RE: Holy Joe Posted by: Xynyx
» RE: Holy Joe Posted by: Suz
Cutting off someone's air supply provides "no real danger"?
Posted by: YogiBear on Feb 15, 2008 2:53 PM   
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Um, doofus, that's how coronary damage is inflicted.

I respect people who believe in using torture a hell of a lot more than people who need to redefine it to make themselves feel (or look) better.

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He doesn't believe it's torture? I know a way to fix that!
Posted by: ikonoklast on Feb 15, 2008 9:51 PM   
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If Lieberman, McCain, or anyone else would like to question whether waterboarding is torture, I extend to them the heartfelt invitation to experience it personally and then make their decision. Afterwards, if they still maintain it isn't torture, they should have no problem submitting to it on a recurring basis.

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Given that water boarding was
Posted by: bitsfick on Feb 16, 2008 4:29 AM   
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invented during the Spanish inquisition, and used on Jews, Joe should think twice about condoning it.

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Let's try this test!!
Posted by: xvictor on Feb 16, 2008 5:48 AM   
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Forcibly dunk Lieberman's head into a filled toilet bowl for a bit and then ask him if it's torture.

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» RE: Let's try this test!! Posted by: Prairie Waif
» RE: Let's try this test!! Posted by: batteredup
» Well, but then... Posted by: photon's feather
Is this next?
Posted by: Prairie Waif on Feb 16, 2008 6:09 AM   
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"It is not like putting burning coals on people's bodies."

Wow, a "mini" crematorium. From a Jew?

Oh, wait, summer 2006, right, I remember now. Yes, torture and war crimes are okey dokey from those guys.

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Hey Joe -
Posted by: NotNeoCon on Feb 16, 2008 6:24 AM   
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what do you think about putting terrorists into gas fired ovens, or would that be torture?

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LiveFree
Posted by: LiveFree on Feb 16, 2008 6:44 AM   
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Senator Lieberman has lost all sense of his humanity.

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Lieberman is loathsome
Posted by: itzamirakul on Feb 16, 2008 6:56 AM   
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Lieberman,one of Israel's representatives in the American legislature, has to uphold waterboarding since the country that he represents practices this form of torture and would willingly practice it on Americans if given the opportunity. I usually try to say that the person involved in something that I disagree with is decent and it is their behavior that is abominable. In Lieberman's case, however, I find that he is positively disgusting, period. I don't see how he can stand himself, much less how anyone else can stand him. He is such a two-faced, vicious little weasel.

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» RE: Lieberman is loathsome Posted by: Buddhaprince
Our Government is Sickning
Posted by: JonA on Feb 16, 2008 7:39 AM   
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Lieberman is a wash-out. What a meek and pathetic piece of jello. Bush has drawn so many, as he, into his little group. Look at those who stand around boy Bush when he reads his script that sounds rather logical. But take the script away.... and hear him talk straight on.... He doesn't know any words to complete a sentence. Duhh.... seems to be one of his often used. And do not forget, this little s... was AWL for two years.
Please everyone....The next possible cleansing will be the November Election. VOTE

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Well...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Feb 16, 2008 7:43 AM   
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Lieberman proves he is still really a democrat. He backtracks to give Bush whatever he wants... just like the rest of the democrats have done.

Elected as the majority, ruling like the minority.

Keep voting for the lesser of two evils and you're still voting for evil.

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creeps
Posted by: robmikejas on Feb 16, 2008 7:45 AM   
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McCain/Lieberman...The creepiest ticket imaginable. Can you invision anyone actually taking these far right geezers seriously? Watching and listening to either makes my skin crawl.aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!

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» RE: creeps Posted by: foreverhope
We can blame
Posted by: Quannah on Feb 16, 2008 9:09 AM   
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the Republicans and Independents in Connecticut for re-electing this douche-bag.

Psychological torture absolutely DOES have lasting effects. And his statement about it not being like "hot coals" or anything...

I just hope there is a HELL and Joe Lieberman gets buried in HOT COALS up to his neck every day for eternity! What an asshole!

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» RE: We can blame Posted by: manatthewindow
torture only works when correct answer is known
Posted by: billwald on Feb 16, 2008 10:17 AM   
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Torture (the 3rd degree) only works when the answer to the question is already known to the police but not to the public. For example, the police know that a rapist used duct tape to tie up the victim. The question should be something like, "How did you tie the victim?" If the answer is not known the suspect can say anything reasonable that is not immediately testable.

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maybe...........................
Posted by: pacto on Feb 16, 2008 10:18 AM   
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Mc cain and Lieberman can get togather and WATERBOARD each other.just the idea of these two slugs teaming up to ....cough,cough gulp, lead the country makes me crazy.

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War Crimes
Posted by: magistre on Feb 16, 2008 12:50 PM   
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Someone should explain to Mr. Lieberman that at the end of World War Two the Japanese that were indicted for War Crimes were EXECUTED FOR WATERBOARDING P.O.W.s

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God, have any of these guys ever read a book?
Posted by: BitcoDavid on Feb 16, 2008 1:01 PM   
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The technique may have changed over the years, but using water as a form of interrogation or coercion, goes back to the Middle Ages. The idea that it does no permanent harm, is fallacious at best.

The entire argument is made moot, by the fact that any civilized nation, any nation, that is, that follows the Geneva Conventions, can not be willing to mistreat prisoners in any way.

John McCain, more so than most, should see the danger in using coercive techniques on enemy combatants, lest those techniques be applied to our own troops, by those same said combatants.

As to Lieberman, one has to wonder what the hell he's been smoking, and if we can get some. I'm beginning to think this guy's just cracked, you know, a broken toaster.

Why do we even bother to listen to a guy who probably thinks he's Napoleon, anyway?

Although, I fancy myself a wordsmith, I pale by comparison to Keith Olbermann, who said it best, the other day, when he called George Bush a fascist. That is, in fact, the real problem here. These are the methodologies of fascism. We need to stop arguing over what is and is not torture, and start arguing over what is and is not fascistic behavior.

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Trixie
Posted by: Trixie on Feb 16, 2008 8:02 PM   
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itzamirakul -- You are SO right. More than once I have emailed Lieberman to suggest that he move to Israel and represent his constituency on site in the Knesset, rather than stay here and represent them. His mealy-mouthed pontifications are nauseating, and his entire demeanor is better suited to a snake-oil salesman than a U.S. senator. Contrary to some opinions submitted, Lieberman was NEVER a Democrat! He has voted with the Republicans time and again, and when he jumped ship to become an "Independent," I thought he should just call a spade a spade and make that Republican instead. I haven't the least doubt that his name on the ticket with Gore was a major factor in the party's defeat.

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Lieberman: the Dem-Republican
Posted by: SEDGFLD on Feb 17, 2008 8:23 AM   
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Lieberman continues to show why so many had a hard time supporting him on the Democratic ticket on 2000. His new stances just weren't believable. He, not Barack Obama, was the first candidate openly chosen for his heritage. His voting record and support of one-sided policies confirms this. He made a deal with this administration and it's supporters based upon the relationship with Israel and not based upon democratic and humanitarian principles of right and wrong.

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» RE: Lieberman: the Dem-Republican Posted by: Tweetybird
He means that YOU can be subjected to this
Posted by: manatthewindow on Feb 18, 2008 6:01 AM   
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What this fascist goon is really saying is that if the Potus wants to waterboard YOU for suspected thoughtcrime, that's okay. It's vital to realise that these elite neo-Nazis aren't interested in the welfare of anybody other than themselves. Anybody who is not for them is against them, remember?

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Slip, slip, slipping away....
Posted by: GarrisonPayneLeonard38H on Feb 18, 2008 7:44 AM   
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First the Reaganites came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;

...then the Bushites came for the Muslims, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Muslim;

...then the Cons From Both Sides Of The Aisle came for our Constitution, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t using it anyway;

Finally, they came for those who see and speak the truth . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."
(My apologies to Pastor Niemoller.)


Some people reveal new dimensions in hard times. Joe Liberman just re-reveals the same sad lack of dimension month after month.

This isn't the first time Joey has pushed the gray area and given faux-liberal cover to white-knuckle Con extremists. The only remaining surprise is that a plurality of Connecticut voters can still stand to vote for him.

These days I find myself reflecting several times a week on what kind of country we'd have today if the drafters of the Constitution, and our early leaders, had been from the same gene pool as today's feckless corporate careerists.

We definitely have the government we deserve, given how hard most of us have worked at protecting our comforts. I'll bet those Honored Dead from Valley Forge, Yorktown, Gettysburg, Cold Harbor, Belleau Wood, Tarawa, and Bastogne are just mightily impressed at all the honor we render them with our mouths. Yep, I'm sure that every day they give us a mighty "Heckuva Job, Brownie".

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» RE: Slip, slip, slipping away.... Posted by: BitcoDavid
» RE: Slip, slip, slipping away.... Posted by: GarrisonPayneLeonard38H
ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT
Posted by: spratling on Feb 18, 2008 7:52 AM   
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Lobotomize both of them! ...or has that already been done?
One thing is certain: putting them in the Whitehouse almost guarantees a World War.

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The media is such a huge problem these days
Posted by: rickiey on Feb 18, 2008 8:13 AM   
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It used to be, the CIA would torture people, use the information to keep America safe, and nobody would ever hear about.

Ignorance was bliss.

Now the media ties the CIA's hands, America isn't safe, and everyone is accusing America of being torturers, when we do less torture than we ever did!

It seems the fewer violations of the enemy's rights there are, the more accusations of violations there are.

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» Ah, the good old days.. Posted by: zipper696
Leiberman is just another Cult Lunatic
Posted by: Buddhaprince on Feb 18, 2008 1:25 PM   
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Lieberman IS the Knesset in Washington and all the cowboy war freaks and Christian lunatics just love him. Those retards really think if you tear down the Al Aqsa Mosque and build a New Temple of Jerusalem, Jesus will just come dancing down from the sky. Al Queda and evangelical Christians are both in psychotic delusion and unfortunately controlling the future of our planet.

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Lets not forget Hillary is his bosom friend
Posted by: herbal on Feb 19, 2008 12:10 AM   
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Hillary's #1 supporter is Joe Lieberman, the ex-Democrat. They both pander to AIPAC and the cult Christian Zionists like Rev. Hagee and Tim LeHaye, author of the 'Left Behind' novels.

74% of Democrats think that Hillary Clinton has pledged to end US occupation of Iraq within one year, acccording to he current issue of the Harper's Index. Of course, the truth is that she has pledged to end it by 2013!

In fact, she is the most outspoken person in the Senate advocating war in Iran. See her AIPAC speech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVWagtd8uwM

She is clearly threatening nuclear attack on Iran at the behest of Israel's right wing.

Joe, Hillary the Blue Dog, McCain and the rest of the Republican Party are corporate welfare, corporate socialism, yes, national socialism advocates. That's OK because it is not anti-semitic? (Well not entirely because Arabs are Semites too.)

Will Joe Leiberman be Hillary's choice of a running mate??

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