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Sexist Slams are About More Than Hillary Clinton

Posted by Amanda Marcotte, Pandagon at 1:04 PM on January 28, 2008.


Opposing sexist pandering against Sen. Clinton isn't the same thing as endorsing her.
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Wow, a Republican comes up with a decent enough question to address the accusations that all opposition to Hillary Clinton is sexist in nature.

So for those who maintain that they have nothing against women presidents in general, but object to Senator Clinton in particular, I ask this question:

What women would you endorse for president, were they to enter the race tomorrow.

We’ll set aside his weird hostility towards the safety of the workers who keep this country running and focus on the question. I’ll also ignore that two out of three of his picks are “safe” for a conservative, in that those women couldn’t muster up a decent chance of winning, and even Christine Todd Whitman has managed to alienate some party elite, so possibly all three are candidates he can safely endorse in the hypothetical because he’ll never be called up to endorse them in reality. But I would gladly support Nancy Pelosi if she ran, and governor of Kansas Kathleen Sebelius is getting some attention that indicates that she’s a contender in the future. (I would really love Pelosi, in all honesty. She’s not perfect, of course, but she was right about the war from the beginning, and that buys a lot of credibility with me.) And Clinton has my full support if she wins the nomination -- any Democratic contender does, which is why I’m upset by all the dirty politicking going on in the primaries. Someone’s got to win, and when they do, it’s important that their win doesn’t alienate the people who voted for someone else in the primaries, and these kind of dirty politics are polarizing.

There is a reason I bring up possible future candidates of the female persuasion, and it’s to point out that opposition to sexist pandering against Clinton isn’t an endorsement of her, nor is it just about patting one’s self on the back for one’s righteous feminism, though the latter is not an unproductive way to spend your time. It’s about good politics and long-term thinking, which we need a lot more of. Because if we luck out and get to support Candidate Pelosi or Candidate Sebelius in the near future for a presidential bid, we can expect that these images will immediately be transferred from being anti-Clinton to anti-whatever-Democratic-woman-is-running.

There are Republicans out there who find this sort of sexism distasteful, just as there are those out there who are pro-choice. Unfortunately for them, they’ve been effectively shut out of the party at large, which has banked on fear-mongering over gender as a vote-getter in an environment where they represent an elite minority and oppose the economic interests of the vast majority of Americans. Women are an attractive scapegoat to a percentage of working class men who feel emasculated by the decreasing opportunities in America, and the Republicans are not about to give that up.

By the way, the CUNT website has the ubiquitous modeling pose that appears on 99.5 percent of right wing websites hawking T-shirts -- skinny white woman with big boobs, wearing a tight T-shirt (maybe a bit of belly skin) and otherwise sporting clothes that make you flinch because they are so tacky. It’s embarrassingly transparent. But then again, so are a lot of right wing artifacts, like the Confederate flag.

They don’t do us the favor of being subtle, and yet there’s still this fair-and-balanced tendency to try to take this crap seriously.

On another note: I suspect the belief that open racism won’t show its face like open sexism will was an overblown hope.

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Amanda Marcotte co-writes the popular blog Pandagon.


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Let's see..
Posted by: jmooney on Jan 28, 2008 1:33 PM   
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How about a woman who hasn't tied herself to the semen-stained coattails of her husband. She's no more a feminist than the man in the moon. She's a manipulative, divisive woman who believes she is somehow entitled to be president because she spent the last few decades of her life in the lecherous wake of her husband. She sold her soul to the devil and now she is trying to rip out what's left of the soul of our poor, weak, Democratic party.

The Clintons are putrid and pathetic and should be repudiated at the polls.

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» RE: Let's see.. Posted by: johnclark
» Enough already... Posted by: Xynyx
» RE: nough already... Posted by: naryaquid
» RE: Let's see.. Posted by: naryaquid
» RE: Let's see..Jmooney ;( Posted by: niliadis
Rep Pelosi for President
Posted by: johnclark on Jan 28, 2008 1:33 PM   
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It would be easy, if only the party would do it, to remove the current president and vice-president via Article 2 Section 1 & the 25th Amendment.

For those too lazy to calculate the equation above, the answer = President Pelosi.

How fun, a woman president and an African-American president all in the same year. And I will party like it's 2009! (and it will be - Prince can sing at the inauguration), and we will all be so so happy.

Change!
Hope!
Yes we can!

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» Oh please Posted by: 2dogarage
Give me enough time I can write a list!
Posted by: CLaudLaw on Jan 28, 2008 1:48 PM   
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What woman would I vote for? Looking in years past, how about Shirley Chisolm? Barbara Jordan? Bella Abzug? All women who stood for the interests of their constituents, stood for the interests of people who were desparately trying to make ends meet, as opposed to be tools for their political party machine.

Need someone more modern? Tougher to say because the media seems to deny the voices of progressive women in politics. Gov. Janet Napolitano in AZ comes to mind, as does Rep. Barbara Lee (CA). I know progressive women politicians out there, and I know they are shunned by the DNC and DLC, because they aren't centrist enough.

At the end of the day, my choosing to vote against Senator Clinton is an indictment of her voting record (Iraq, Bankruptcy Bill to name a few), and her inability to really understand the issues of working americans (refusal to fire Mark Penn the union-buster, or answer for her years on the Board at Wal-Mart).

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» RE: Right on! Posted by: Urstrly
What woman would I vote for...
Posted by: Robba29 on Jan 28, 2008 2:50 PM   
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Easy! Barbara Boxer! Heck, even Nancy Pelosi would get my consideration. I hate this, "if you're not for Hillary, you're a sexist, crap." She is Republican-lite, THAT'S WHY she's not getting my vote.

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The obvious answer to the posed sexist question:
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jan 28, 2008 3:39 PM   
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So for those who maintain that they have nothing against women presidents in general, but object to Senator Clinton in particular, I ask this question:


What women would you endorse for president, were they to enter the race tomorrow.


Would be that I would take the apparently foreign, non-sexist approach, disregard their naughty bits, and focus on their policies, platforms, and track records.

I mean, duh? What sort of idiot picks a good presidential candidate among a selection of candidates who aren't running. Among a selection of those who don't have national platforms?

Earth to whimsical muse?

What an utterly intellectually bankrupt academic exercise in feels-goods-manship!

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At this point, I can name just one man I'd like to see as President...
Posted by: Xynyx on Jan 28, 2008 4:33 PM   
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so why should it be so different for women? Hillary doesn't happen to hit that target. Sorry, Amanda. There are women I would support. I'm sure there are many. Truthfully, there may be more women I would support than men. It IS my fault I can't name many... but that's not sufficient reason for me to support Hillary.

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I don't get it , Amanda
Posted by: macktan on Jan 28, 2008 6:17 PM   
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I'm not sure I understand the argument. Are you saying that Hillary's opposition is all sexist and will carry over to other women? And this sexist opposition is a mindset of the Republican party, who will automatically oppose any women?

This article seems carefully worded and indirect about your viewpoint. I sense you are disappointed with Hillary's campaign and you think her difficulties are a result of sexism and not of her doing.

Hillary carries baggage, however. Her use of Bill only makes those bags heavier, and I think it's almost imossible to separate the Clinton stigma from Hillary the woman candidate.

Read the boards anywhere on the net today, especially since Kennedy has endorsed Obama, and you'll see that the good old American racist tradition is rearing its ugly head. There is a status quo desperately hanging on to its power, its security, position and it would escalate no matter what or who.

What's most interesting, though, is that neither Obama nor Clinton threaten the corporatocracy. They are pro illegal immigration, anti single-payer health care reform, pro business. In other words, both are centrists...I'm not. I'm as left as you get, but it looks like this country has discarded the esteemed left, progressive wing, most who are now independents, no?

I wonder, who among you consider yourselves left of the current crop of Dem pres candidates?

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» RE: I don't get it , Amanda Posted by: naryaquid
» RE: I don't get it , Amanda Posted by: CLaudLaw
» RE: I don't get it , Amanda Posted by: anna132
I'd vote for Condi
Posted by: dwatkins9 on Jan 29, 2008 4:13 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
nt

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Dear Amanda,
Posted by: steven w on Jan 29, 2008 7:34 AM   
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People are not being sexist towards Clinton, not being racist against Obama. Americans are not as stupid as some think and are past all that. I would LOVE to have a woman as president. But, the reason that most do not want to vote for her because she accepts corporate money.

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Cynthia McKinney
Posted by: 2dogarage on Jan 29, 2008 9:20 AM   
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Why is there no mention whatsoever of a woman who is actually running for president on the Green ticket?

Cynthia McKinney is a two-fer for the progressive crowd that seems to be so fixated on debating race and gender to the exclusion of the issues.

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It is about poltics, not sexual politics
Posted by: herbal on Jan 29, 2008 12:23 PM   
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Hillary Clinton represents a travesty of an added 4 to 8 years of the same world hegemony as Bush Jr. Let us not forget her perfect Bush agenda voting record up until the day her campaign began! There should be no options left on the table to defeat Hillary Clinton in the Primaries. We certainly must remember the Republican media campaign to declare all candidates as "unelectable" with the exception of Kerry (Yale, Skull and Bones, Wall St.) in 2004. This article seems to be cast in that mold that we see being cast in the TV "debates"; downplaying the most progressive candidates while focusing on the least threatening to the status quo. What do Carl Rove, Dick Cheney and Hillary Clinton have in common? Invasion of Iran fixation.

See Hillary Clinton speak for herself here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvuzMWcz0kU

Then see the company she keeps with Rev, Hagee of Christian Zionist cult here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exdsB5D1r7Y

She advocates nuclear war against Iran and has never repudiated war in any form.

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I hate Hillary!
Posted by: raywigton on Jan 30, 2008 10:21 PM   
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Is this some kind of rocket science? I am old enough to remember when she was a "Goldwater Girl" and the president of the "Young Republicans." I remember her misconduct during the Watergate affair and how she tried to control what information our elected officials could access. I remember her insisting on a female attorney general and we got the third worst AG in American history. I remember the incendiary grenades used in Waco and the children who died in the burning building. I remember Timothy McVey and his response in Oklahoma City. I remember travel gate. I remember the material sought in a court order that was in her office all along. I remember how she shamed the last democratic presidency and all the tonight show and late night jokes. I remember who pressured President Clinton into signing NAFTA. I remember when we had three major employers in my city, all of which closed after NAFTA. I remember her snooty attitude, which hasn't changed over the years.

So am I just a sexist because I hate Hillbilly? If it makes you feel good.

Who would I support among women? How about Barbara Boxer? I could easily support Maria Cantwell from Washington too.

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A Vote For Hillary = Against Women's Rights
Posted by: zeitgeist1979 on Jan 31, 2008 5:40 AM   
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I would've loved to see Barbara Boxer be our next woman President but the Democratic Establishment blindly wants to go with Billary, which is truly depressing.

Mark my words: if Hillary is the Democratic nominee, John McCain WILL become our next President! Hillary activates their Republican base like NO other person can. She will unite Republicans like Bush united Democrats and Republicans will come out in droves to stop Hillary (it is already being prepared by the right-wing as we speak) from being the next President. WHEN John McCain wins (NOT a question of "if") once Hillary wins the nomination, he will appoint more extreme right-wing judges to the Supreme Court, which will then result in decisions against women's rights. But I guess that doesn't matter to Billary's supporters. May God help us all.

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