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Obama Takes on Homophobia, Anti-Semitism and Xenophobia at MLK's Church

Posted by Pam Spaulding, Pam's House Blend at 6:15 AM on January 21, 2008.


It was a pointed statement to black parishioners in the pews. He did not hold back.
Obama's Speech at MLK's Church

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Today Barack Obama zeroed in on equal opportunity bigotry -- and why everyone should strive to not only elevate the political discourse, but to be honest about the base instincts, words and deeds that divide, not unite.

He delivered this message at the house of worship where Dr. Martin Luther King preached, Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta. It was a pointed statement to black parishioners in the pews -- people well-aware of racial politics being played in this political cycle -- but who are also are part of a faith community that has long had a blind spot toward other oppressed groups. He did not hold back:

For most of this country's history, we in the African-American community have been at the receiving end of man's inhumanity to man. And all of us understand intimately the insidious role that race still sometimes plays - on the job, in the schools, in our health care system, and in our criminal justice system.

And yet, if we are honest with ourselves, we must admit that none of our hands are entirely clean. If we're honest with ourselves, we'll acknowledge that our own community has not always been true to King's vision of a beloved community.

We have scorned our gay brothers and sisters instead of embracing them. The scourge of anti-Semitism has, at times, revealed itself in our community. For too long, some of us have seen immigrants as competitors for jobs instead of companions in the fight for opportunity.

Every day, our politics fuels and exploits this kind of division across all races and regions; across gender and party. It is played out on television. It is sensationalized by the media. And last week, it even crept into the campaign for President, with charges and counter-charges that served to obscure the issues instead of illuminating the critical choices we face as a nation.

These words are so necessary, but you can best believe he is the only candidate delivering speeches in honor of Dr. King who is willing to say it directly to members of the black community. This topic has always been a perceived as a third rail topic for the other leading Dem candidates, Clinton or Edwards -- they are, like many whites, particularly if they see themselves as allies, dread being seen as pointing out the evils and hypocrisy of such bigotry in the black faith community, even as wrong and tragic as it is on its face.

I am of two minds of this -- I am grateful that Barack Obama, whose campaign has needed to atone for the triangulation strategy of courting blacks by tossing gays under the bus with the appearance of homophobic "ex-gay" advocate Donnie McClurkin at a gospel concert. He has made public statements distancing himself from this flap and reiterated support for LGBT equality (sans full marriage equality, of course, something none of the top tier have supported).

However, I am disheartened by the burden Obama has been saddled with, as a person of color, to be the sole party delivering today's message. Addressing bigotry in any community that has suffered oppression at the hands of the majority can, and must be done, particularly in a year where we have both a woman and a black man with a credible chance of winning the nomination and making it to the White House.

That we cannot discuss the matter of homophobia or anti-Semitism in the black community bluntly is everyone's problem. This burden and legacy of fomenting bigotry out of fear and ignorance is borne by all of us. If no one takes responsibility, we all fail. And we're failing -- look at how easily gender bias and racial overtones have surfaced over and over in the campaign so far. It's almost reflexive to "go there," the toxicity and effectiveness of stirring those sentiments has been part of the political process by both parties for so long that they are addicted to it.

In fact, I'm sure that the GOP is concerned about the prospect of how far it can go in attacking Obama if he is the nominee, in terms of hitting the third rail too overtly. Similarly, I have no doubt, for instance, if Clinton is the nominee, that while they may wonder how far they can go in dropping the misogyny card. However, the fact that she is a reviled Clinton only adds to her problems in the general election. If anyone can unite the GOP's tattered and frustrated voters, she can.

I have no doubt the baiting will continue, but it doesn't mean that we cannot keep pointing bias out when it raises its ugly head in any community. Sunshine is the best disinfectant. Obama:

So let us say that on this day of all days, each of us carries with us the task of changing our hearts and minds. The division, the stereotypes, the scape-goating, the ease with which we blame our plight on others - all of this distracts us from the common challenges we face - war and poverty; injustice and inequality. We can no longer afford to build ourselves up by tearing someone else down. We can no longer afford to traffic in lies or fear or hate. It is the poison that we must purge from our politics; the wall that we must tear down before the hour grows too late.

Because if Dr. King could love his jailor; if he could call on the faithful who once sat where you do to forgive those who set dogs and fire hoses upon them, then surely we can look past what divides us in our time, and bind up our wounds, and erase the empathy deficit that exists in our hearts.

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Clinton, btw, picked up the endorsement of another pastor in the political black-go-to crowd today, Reverend Dr. Calvin Butts of Harlem's Abyssinian Baptist Church.

In endorsing Clinton, Butts read a long statement emphasizing his strong relationship with Clinton and his high regard for her experience. ("I, too, join countless Americans in a collective desire for change, and I do so with a vital recognition that change and experience are not mutually exclusive," Butts said.)

...Earlier, in a speech from the altar, Butts seemed to echo a key Clinton criticism of her opponent, that Obama's talent for inspirational speech was not enough to qualify him for president. ("You don't just say, 'save the hospital,'" Butts said. "You've got to work with senators and assembly persons, Chairs of Ways and Means. You've got to put this thing together in such a way because we live in the United States of America. One brother said that if you don't understand that, then maybe you need to live somewhere else.").


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How About Sexism?
Posted by: SparkyClinton on Jan 21, 2008 7:32 AM   
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Too bad he's a man who so he can't deal with the issue of sexism. And even worse, many of his supporters are against Hillary because she's a woman.

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» Idiotic Posted by: jmooney
He said what needed to be said...
Posted by: djnoll on Jan 21, 2008 9:06 AM   
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that people of all colors have bigotries and a specific group cannot demand equality for themselves if they are unwilling to give it to others. I have heard many African American leaders speak over my lifetime, and I can tell you that many of them are more racist or bigoted than many of those of other races have ever been. I am waiting for someone to understand that diversity means going in different directions, not unifying a nation. Dr. King spoke of unification of all people regardless of race, and he spoke of the needs of justice and peace. You cannot get to those lofty goals if you are turning away other members of society. It is time for unity, not diversity. (By the way, for the GOP diversity is the same as diversification - corporate control of varied businesses under one umbrella corporation, after selling off those parts of those acquired businesses that do not follow the same basic business plan. It is the process of the parts being worth more than the sum of the whole. As long as they look at keeping the parts separate, they allow for more maneuvering of the parts to create what they want. Think about it!)

See http://www.standanddeliveramerica.com posting about Hillary and racism.

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Thoughs precede words
Posted by: El Hombre Malo on Jan 21, 2008 10:03 AM   
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The man can talk the talk, but I understand some people have doubts he can walk the walk... at least his mouth is in the right place.

Mrs.Clinton, on the other hand, can´t neither speak nor walk. The mere notion of her beign labeled "progressive" is laughable from any point of view... except in the USA. Her approach to healthcare would frighten all but the most hardcore conservatives in the rest of the world, not to speak her aquescience with the present administration jingoism.

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Worth it
Posted by: Kuressaare on Jan 21, 2008 10:52 AM   
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I am not sure it is worth it, but it needs saying only, that Mr. Obama seems to be the hero to the world, and he the only American who could be, at this point. On his own merits he is a marvel.

My point to add is that, hate is always a nasty commodity to be throwing around, people do know this, most try, so many do not. I need to point out, that one group at least is almost totally free of racism unless you are talking Texas and the like, where a friend's acquaintances there one night decided to go out out and "shoot them some" (black people). Friend nearly fell over. Gay men have no interest in racism unless it's in a positive way, and I know of men who are crazy for native people here, "Orientals", black men, very much so but not exuclusively. Gay people learn as childen how stupid is the reverse mentality, so they ignore it. Which is not to say they do not, up to a point, suffer the bullying and taunts, all those charming words beginning with "queer" and working on up. If they don't hear it used on themselves, they notice who does get that honour. They don't like it. So remember, all those who like that kind of racism, there is also another kind of sexism, and it's anti. No more children to cover the last inches of this dying planet, no more of the thought training. When a gay person calls a hetero a "breeder", consider that he has been called the equivalent of "queer", and it carries the full load of disparagement as does the reverse. People could smarten up. Meanwhile, hurray for Mr. Obama.

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» RE: huh? Posted by: kelt65
» RE: huh? Posted by: kelt65
Liberal Texas Feminist
Posted by: nomomorons on Jan 21, 2008 10:54 AM   
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Obama has the soul and the experience to lead this Nation out of our morass.

Clinton claims experience superiority. Let's examine it: she claims her years as first lady as actually having served as informal co-president. (Many former staffers support this claim..) Ergo, she must, then, take co-responsibility for the results the Clinton record on NAFTA and China admission in World Trade, her botched health care program, the embarrassing (drama-trauma) White House sex scandals (and lies about them), disastrous welfare "reform" which the Clintons co-opted from the Republicans and resulted in the destruction of thousands of poor families, the deregulation (and resulting corruption and scandal) of financial institutions and energy and telecommunications giants, and--well, the "corporatization of America" that has created such disadvantage for the average working person and family. The bleeding of American jobs and the outrageous greed of the rich and powerful were all seeded in her co-dependent co-presidency.

We don't need--can't afford--anymore Clinton experiences!

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» Experience too.... Posted by: Fencerider
Thebigkate
Posted by: Thebigkate on Jan 21, 2008 10:55 AM   
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What some of us have picked up on about Barack Obama is that he is a person who is willing to talk calmly to people with whom he disagrees, and has the temperament not to be polarizing and reactive! This election is about character, NOT political infighting experience. Hillary Clinton is a smart person, and an excellent senator. However, she is reactive and judgmental and,unfortunately, quite polarazing as a result! This is her temperament. We need to elect as our President a person (black, white or green) who can see the bigger picture of the world and is willing to engage in constant dialogue with others as a way of dealing with the tragic human issues we constantly face! I think Barack Obama is that person, and I hope so much that he chooses not to participate in the mean spiritedness of Bill Clinton's narcissistic campaign rhetoric--probably assisted by Mark Penn. After all, we know that for our ex-President, Hillary's campaign is "all about me!"

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» Love your comment Thebigkate Posted by: Carmilla5
Obama is THE one
Posted by: aalif ba ta tha on Jan 21, 2008 11:11 AM   
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He inspires in the most fundamental American sense, even Kucinich likes him best.

He is the only candidate who can beat the Repubs in 08.

WHY, AMERICA, are you voting for the corporate shill Hillary Clinton???? Hillary as front runner will never win, plus she is basically a Republican in practice anyway. Get with it folks!

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» RE: Obama is THE one Posted by: aalif ba ta tha
johncp
Posted by: johnp on Jan 21, 2008 11:12 AM   
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Alternet, apparently, is largely composed of a bunch of embittered republicans, waiting for an opportunity to attack Hillary. Out of any 20 posts sent to Alternet, 19 are anti-Hillary. The objective seems to be to work feverishly to defeat her, and install Obama as the dem nominee, obviously because he'll be vastly easier to beat. If they thought Hillary would be easier to beat, they'd work to insure that she would be the dem nominee. Instead they're obsessed with stopping her.

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» She's a Republicrat Posted by: zooeyhall
» Virgie's an idiot.... Posted by: Fencerider
Stop Hillary at all costs, because she'll lose
Posted by: johnp on Jan 21, 2008 11:28 AM   
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Aalif ba ta tha, amusingsly, tells us that we shouldn't vote for Hillary because, if we do, she'll lose the election. But, he doesn't tell us who he'd like to see win. Clever. If democrats are this dumb, there's no hope for this country.

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» liberals are the dumb ones? Posted by: aalif ba ta tha
» hold on a sec here!!! Posted by: lulunw
And he totally ignores the growing gap between the rich and poor -
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 21, 2008 12:18 PM   
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Which was a central theme of all of MLK's speeches in the last years of his life.

Wonder why Barak Obama doesn't want to discuss that topic?

Obvious: he thinks bring up that theme would reduce his ability to collect campaign contributions from the wealthy and powerful.

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» Did you even watch this? Posted by: rjgwood
This isn't about Clinton's personality
Posted by: Ginga on Jan 21, 2008 12:34 PM   
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I actually liked Hillary a lot more than Bill when they were in the White House but now all of her speeches and the credentials she cites are reflective of the policies so prevalent in the Clinton White House. The ties to big business are still there, the support for NAFTA is still strong. Welfare was dismantled under the Clinton presidency and left it wide open to the disregard of the poor by the present Bush administration. Her Senate voting record for the Iraq War and the subsequent dismantling of our civil liberties is suspect. As an ardent feminist, I would love to see the right progressive woman running for president. She is not the one!

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Exactly.
Posted by: RandomAction on Jan 21, 2008 3:20 PM   
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It's a pity he's not a three legged dog, so he can champion disabled animal rights.

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I am just waiting for people...
Posted by: toolman667 on Jan 21, 2008 3:43 PM   
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To wake up to the bigger picture, and stop all this nonsense gobble-dy gook about racism, sexism, get over it, we are humans we are mammals. And most of us, like it or not, work to support an empire, and hardly ever question the real reasons for why. Why are we building a pyramid?

I suggest you do your own research. Starting with a movie that I have found through 4 years of research.
"America: Freedom to Fascism". It is on google video.

For world peace, and freedom of thought.

Thank you.

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Surrogate Candidate
Posted by: Abushite on Jan 21, 2008 5:10 PM   
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Why not call a spade a spade ?

Bill Clinton is shoeing in his surrogate - do you want him back ?

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Hillary Wouldn't Have Made That Speech
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Jan 22, 2008 1:59 AM   
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Hillary can’t run on her record, she has to run from it. She's shamelessly trying to ride into office on Bill's bloody, semen-stained coattails. I would love to see more qualified, capable women in politics, and I’m embarrassed that we’ve never had a woman president and that we have so few women in Congress. But I think a lot of women are supporting Hillary because she’s a woman and turning a blind eye to her record and character.

She’s an unabashed Iraq hawk, unconditionally supports Israel’s outrageous human rights violations, lobbied Bill not to intervene and leave tens of thousands of Albanians and 800,000 Rwandans to lose their lives in genocides we could easily have stopped and screwed up health care reform with her arrogance, causing 50 million Americans to go another decade without health coverage. She is at least as divisive as Bush–at the same stage in his career, he was less so–and her election would ensure another four years of partisan bickering, gridlock, triangulation, realpolitik and hardball. And, given her incredibly high negative ratings, there’s a chance she’d throw the election to the Republicans. The neocons are smacking their lips at the prospect of her winning the nomination. Perhaps Obama should preempt Hillary’s feminist appeal by breaking with tradition and choosing a bright, progressive woman as his running mate now. He's the most credible candidate.

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Pam Spalding is lying to you about Hillary's bieng polarizing
Posted by: johnp on Jan 22, 2008 3:19 AM   
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Pam Spalding is spreading dirt about Hillary, saying she will polarize the electorate. This is pure nonsense, and Spaldiing knows, or certainly should know, what crap this kind of crystal ball reading amonunts to. Why is AlterNet so intent on villifying Hillary, and selling us Obama. This is stupid and biased. Stupid because it reveals how superficially you've looked at his record and actions. The bias is obvious and of the cheapes kind.

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» What???!!!??? Posted by: ptoddchesser
This is not the first time that he has done this
Posted by: Evora on Jan 22, 2008 4:06 AM   
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He has brought the subject up before in African American churches. His life experience and political record speaks to his dedication to inequality in all of its many guises, and his record also speaks to his capacity to talk truth even to, and especially to, audiences that may not want to hear it. He's talked about fuel eficiency in Detroit and fiscal responsibility on Wall Street. He was one of the very few political figures that spoke out vociferously against this war, during a hotly contested political race, at a time when doing so was, to all too many, akin to giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

This man HAS walked the talk. There has been a lot of misinformation perpetuated and blatent lack of real research done on this man's life and political record, but he has .. and continues to walk the talk.

The 'empty suit' charge too often leveled by right and left alike is not borne out by the facts. It not only does a disservice to the man, but to our party and our country as well.

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Outstanding
Posted by: kgs1947 on Jan 22, 2008 4:51 AM   
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This video shows the integrity of Obama. It should be viewed in every household of this country, available on every television station, displayed for purchase in every video store across the nation. Finally, there is hope!

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Obama - Gifted Racial Politician
Posted by: vrrandall on Jan 22, 2008 5:58 AM   
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Obama delivered his most recent smack down message at the house of worship where Dr. Martin Luther King preached, Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta.  In a 2000+ word speech, Obama never uses the word racism, only uses the word race once and never uses the word discrimination. However Obama acknowledges ""the insidious role that race still sometimes plays on the job, in the schools, in our health care system, and in our criminal justice system." That statement appears to be an acknowledgment of racism in American institutions. But he was very indirect with his criticism of white institutions. First,  the words "insidious role that race" and not racism signals to whites that problem is not conscious or overt and he is not accusing them of racism. Second, he limits even that ambiguous statement by qualifying it with the word "sometimes" to be sure that the white community understood that he is not calling them racist.

He was not so circumvent in then spanking the black community over homophobia, anti-Semitism and mistreatment of immigrants. "We have scorned our gay brothers and sisters instead of embracing them. The scourge of anti-Semitism has, at times, revealed itself in our community. For too long, some of us have seen immigrants as competitors for jobs instead of companions in the fight for opportunity."
However, he doesn't mention sexism, colorism or anti-black racism.

I am coming to view Obama as a very clever, gifted racial politician. Obama uses racial politics to both endear himself to blacks and to whites. He gives the black community enough hope that they are blindly ignoring that he has used the black community to endear himself to whites and is now overtly endearing himself to gays, jews and immigrants or more specifically Latinos. He endears himself by sending the message that he will use every opportunity to "discipline" this unruly child whose family he is a member of - the Black Community.

Yet, as far as I can tell, he rarely, if ever, uses the opportunity to so directly discipline the other half of his family - the white community - for their racism and sexism.

Why is that?

Obama ended his smack down with a reminder to black people of their true role in this society - to be their for white people.  He spoke of a elderly black male organizer for his campaign who saw himself involved in the campaign, not for his family, not for his community, not for his grandchildren, but for a young white woman organizers who was there because of her mother's problem with health care.

Another "Driving Miss Daisy" moment! 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_Miss_Daisy)

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» What total BS this post is. Posted by: yellow
Once again...
Posted by: jefhadist on Jan 22, 2008 6:20 AM   
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Native Americans are left out of the mix. Candidates parrot the litany of Euro-African-Latino-Asian "Americans" but always leave off Native Americans from the conversation. Just when I was starting to agree with Leahy that Obama is the best candidate to repair our relationship with the planet....Barack does the same thing...over and over. What is so difficult about including everybody? The LGBT community is finally getting into the national conversation... and more power to them. So who's talking about the "first people" to whom we owe so much??? You know it really is the little things that can add up and truly matter, as well as reveal where a person is at. Cynthia McKinney is beginning to look a whole lot better for President after that "smack down" (?) of Obama's. She a strong, capable woman AND a person of color! You couldn't ask for more.

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It’s not Black or White. We are all Mulatto!
Posted by: lc on Jan 22, 2008 6:52 AM   
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Recent DNA studies of 120 races of people determined by mitochondria evidence that there are only two “Eve” mothers. One is African (black) and the other mother is “the mother of all the rest” which the authors chose not to call white for fear of provoking racial backlash.
Cain killed Abel and was banished to ‘nod’ which was the wilderness of Africa going west from Eden “through the pillars of Hercules.” Hammurabi was a “White, Wise, Elite, king” appointed to rule over the “black headed people” and to “punish the Evildoers.”
Abraham and Sari/Sarah were ‘fair’ ones who had Isaac when the barren Sarah was 90 years old and after an ‘angel from above’ told her. Isaac was an alien implantation just as Seth “was given to me by the lord” when Eve replaced Abel with the Seth bloodline of ‘fair’ white ones.
It was clearly a black and white issue in ancient times. Since then the human DNA has been mixed and interbred to the point where all of US are mixed blood. All of US are mulattos. And just as DNA has revealed our racial history so too has DNA evidence laid to rest the abominable theory that homosexuality is a choice.
IM
Beltshazzar

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East of Eden.
Posted by: lc on Jan 22, 2008 7:47 AM   
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Regarding my first posted comment above titled: “It’s not Black or White. We are all Mulatto!”
I meant to say “going east from Eden,” east being the direction given in the Torah that the ark drifted for 7 months and the “Pillars of Hercules” which Plato learned from Salon directing the story from Egypt west towards Atlantis. Atlantis was Eden where the white race was bred. Lybia/Africa was ‘nod’ where Cain established the “black” race. The Flood was like a giant blender that mixed it all up. DNA evidence is pouring out of the blender confirming man’s past origins to the “made by computer” first 5 books of the Bible, the Torah. Separate religion and investigate the ‘bible code’(google 'bible code'and follow the matrix) to understand Evolution is Intelligent Design. The question is,whose intelligence?
IM
Belteshazzar
PS. Here is my original comment from above.
It’s not Black or White. We are all Mulatto!

Recent DNA studies of 120 races of people determined by mitochondria evidence that there are only two “Eve” mothers. One is African (black) and the other mother is “the mother of all the rest” which the authors chose not to call white for fear of provoking racial backlash.
Cain killed Abel and was banished to ‘nod’ which was the wilderness of Africa going west from Eden “through the pillars of Hercules.” Hammurabi was a “White, Wise, Elite, king” appointed to rule over the “black headed people” and to “punish the Evildoers.”
Abraham and Sari/Sarah were ‘fair’ ones who had Isaac when the barren Sarah was 90 years old and after an ‘angel from above’ told her. Isaac was an alien implantation just as Seth “was given to me by the lord” when Eve replaced Abel with the Seth bloodline of ‘fair’ white ones.
It was clearly a black and white issue in ancient times. Since then the human DNA has been mixed and interbred to the point where all of US are mixed blood. All of US are mulattos. And just as DNA has revealed our racial history so too has DNA evidence laid to rest the abominable theory that homosexuality is a choice.
IM
Beltshazzar

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lilithesque
Posted by: lilithesque on Jan 22, 2008 8:12 AM   
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just because folks don't like hilary, doesn't mean they are under cover republicans. I so agree with much of what folks say about hilary. I am a feminist, but that doesnt mean I would choose hilary or many other women. There are many reasons I dont support her but to summerize it...DLC.

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Yvonne
Posted by: pana on Jan 22, 2008 9:21 AM   
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Obama is the only candidate I trust. He is honest, understand Our Constitution, has vision, and has intelligence. He has not sold out; he is a pragmatist. He thinks things through and has amazing ability to focus on what is good for all, has principles, and can bring people together. Besides that, Obama's wife, Michelle, rocks.

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The Message
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Jan 22, 2008 9:49 AM   
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So there you have it. It was worthy of a same tome that Martin Luther King or another eloquent speaker telling the world what needed to be said.
Imagine if the president or Dick Cheney or even Condoleeza Rice expressing those views.
Nevertheless everyone of us has to purge the symptoms of xenophobia, bigotry and prejudice that mars societal advancement. Those symptoms are either learned or acquired by an outside agent.
That is the message Barack Obama delivered yesterday in Atlanta.

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» RE: The Message Posted by: sageworks
A few thoughts on the matter
Posted by: willymack on Jan 22, 2008 9:49 AM   
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Nice speech by Obama, one that NEEDED to be made. Criticism from Obama's detractors may point out that he didn't mention this or that-same with the other Democratic candidates-but how much can be said in one speech without diluting the message? The fact is that the bush crime cartel has created so many problems where there were none before that one simply can't talk about all of them without putting everyone to sleep, oratory skills and relevance notwithstanding. Contrast this to the "candidates" on the rethug side, who don't even acknowlege that there ARE problems, let alone the fact that they were created by the current administration.

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Obama is still a homophobic oppressor
Posted by: olenholm on Jan 22, 2008 10:01 AM   
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Obama's statements are a bunch of lies that appeal to the liberal ideology of diversity, multiculturalism, and the "can't we all just get along" mythology. He does NOT practice what he preaches. Obama is TOTALLY HYPOCRITICAL when he talks about respecting "gay brothers and sisters" when he maintains the discriminatory stance on gay marriage. Actions speak louder than words and his position on gay marriage is oppressive action. Do not buy into the lie.

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» WTF? Posted by: YogiBear
Typical bias from all sides
Posted by: Kym525 on Jan 22, 2008 3:54 PM   
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So, let me see if I can follow the ill-logic. If I as a woman vote for Hilary, some folks will think I'm doing so because she's a woman.

If I as a black person vote for Obama, some folks will automatically assume that I'm doing so because he's black.

So, if I follow this line of ill-logic, then it can be safely said that white people are voting for other white people because they're white.

Hmm, makes perfect sense to me (sarcasm here).

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his best
Posted by: wwittman on Jan 22, 2008 10:57 PM   
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THIS is Obama at his best.
Let's see and hear more like it.

instead of Obama at his worst, praising, in even a roundabout way, that asshole, national disaster, Reagan

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African Americans will not Accept Homosexuality!
Posted by: equity on Jan 23, 2008 2:43 AM   
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Speaking as an African American of faith, our community will never endorse or support homosexuality on a large scale. We can speak out against violence, maltreatment, and discrimination of these individuals but their lifestyles will never be fully accepted by people of faith because it goes against our scriptures. This goes for all of us whether Carribean, Continental African etc, Christian, Muslim, etc. I respect Donny for telling his story. How he was victimized as a child and how hard he is working to overcome his issues. I am not a Christian, but I pray that God will provide him and others of similar background to conquer the "innerself" that is detrimental to our society. His story is one of courage and hope. Also, I am tired of homosexuals putting their agenda with racism. I am heter, and I don't believe it is anyone's buisness. I am only stating it to make a point on this discussion. In the same way, why do I have to know what the preference of others will be? We only need to look back at societies who went down this road and the punishment they received to get a sense of spiritual disease of homosexuality. FYI, I am not a right-wing Republican fanatic. This country needs a spirituality check. We've lost all sense of decency.

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» What a load of baloney Posted by: Whistler
Easy Targets
Posted by: desidid on Jan 24, 2008 1:31 PM   
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"It was a pointed statement to black parishioners in the pews -- people well-aware of racial politics being played in this political cycle -- but who are also are part of a faith community that has long had a blind spot toward other oppressed groups."

We have not been blind to other oppressed groups we have grown tired of assisting other groups as they leave us behind. We were hosed, pelted, lynched, and murdered for the rights of all humans, many groups who today take advantage of Affirmative Action, were absent during the fight.

San Francisco has lost 50% of its Black population due to housing cost (largely owned by gay professionals) and job loss due to undocumented illegal immigrants (a large portion of the work force). Now I know that will sound racist and homophobic but, isn't it also racist to pretend that market forces haven't targeted certain neighborhoods at the expense of those whose interest were least represented?

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Obama homophobic? Apparently not...
Posted by: xbj on Jan 24, 2008 2:18 PM   
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But why should he come out FOR gay marriage, when he knows that supposedly straight married men can always get it on the down-low?

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Obama's speechwriter
Posted by: sageworks on Jan 24, 2008 5:46 PM   
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Yes, read about Obama's speechwriter in the NY Times. He studies MLK, RFK and JFK to write Obama's speeches. They say the ones he reads from the teleprompter get a great response. When he talks extemporaneously, he is not that interesting. So who is running? Who is talking? No wonder he is so "inspirational." Of course, Frederick Douglas said power never cedes anything without a fight, never did, and never will. That's more important than this article. John Edwards wants to struggle, Obama wants to snuggle.

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» RE: Obama's speechwriter Posted by: desidid
» RE: Obama's speechwriter Posted by: jmooney
» RE: Obama's speechwriter Posted by: desidid
Gay Rights
Posted by: jmooney on Jan 26, 2008 7:21 AM   
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I love it that he called African Americans on the community's tepid and sometimes simply contrarian position on gay rights. I was once a Southern Baptist (now happily and positively Unitarian Universalist) and recall a Sunday school class during the early 90s where people were deriding the effort to allow gays to openly serve in the military. As a liberal Democrat I never felt comfortable with the ideology of S. Baptists, but I had fallen in with them as a youth in the South when they had a church on every corner (now they have two on every corner, it seems). But during this discussion, I finally said, "You know, the problem I have here is that the arguments against gays serving in the military sound distressingly like those used against having blacks serve, 'You wouldn't want to sleep next to them, would you? You wouldn't want to shower with them, would you?'"

When I got done, you could have heard a pin drop. Finally, our teacher said, "Now you see how hard it is when one of our own can be so misled." That pretty much ended my decades long, love, hate relationship with S. Baptists. I didn't hate them, and I know in some ways they meant well, but they just couldn't see through that tattered mess of a book (the Bible) that human liberty is more important than fidelty to those pages that describe a barbaric, mean-spirited god that no more exists than the man in the moon.

And that's what I think sometimes holds back black people, particularly in the case of human rights for gays and, yes, women.

In many ways, African Americans took on the religion of the oppressor hundreds of years ago, and can't or won't shake it or at least modify it into something that will allow them to take off their blinders about sexuality and women...including abortion. In many ways, African Americans are in line with conservatives in those areas, and I don't see that as a good thing. And someday, at some point, when their numbers are high enough, Republicans will exploit that and appeal to them. And, honestly, the way the Clinton's are dealing with this campaign from a racial standpoint, I believe they may well be providing fertile ground for someone like McCain to really make some inroads into the African American community.

I would have liked to have seen a campaign where Hillary focused on her interest in children's issues, a campaign where she had not voted for Iraq and had not become a neo-con enabler, but could have spoken to the non-violent, better angels of our nature. And Barack could have talked about post-racial coalitions...and let the best vision win. I might have even forgiven Hillary for sticking with her semen-stained wretch. I wanted to do that. I had a NY Friend of Hillary sticker on my car in Florida after Bush won re-election because I wanted to be for something rather than against (instead of the line through W sticker), but she and her semen-stained spouse have totally lost me in this race. I will not vote for her in November. I can't stand the cyncism, the "I'll do anything" to win, how dare someone run hard against me, mentality." I'll vote third party, I'll vote independent, I'll vote for McCain or I'll stay home.

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We need to stand and march beside, and protect this man!
Posted by: celeborn on Jan 27, 2008 3:06 AM   
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He can walk the talk if we all have unity and march, work and hope with him. And that will take sacrifice. But let's not forget that they killed MLK because he spoke much in the same way against the moral bankruptcy of America and its war-profiting leaders. We must protect this man given us as a gift, at all costs, for the sake of America's liberty, equality and freedom. And I speak as a color-blind white person and have been all my life, thanks to my parents who really treated all men as equal and didn't even notice persons of color were different. Let's all come together right now!

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Commentators should stop lying about speaking for "All Christians of color"
Posted by: SEDGFLD on Jan 27, 2008 8:21 AM   
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It still amazes me that some still purport to speak for all "Christians of color" as some do for all Evangelicals.
There are those of us who find bigotry against any group offensive and reprehensible and are angered at the coninued attempts by bigots, including politicans and media personalities, in their self-serving ways to define faith and lump us all together into categories of good and bad.
To hide behind religion is cowardly and hateful, especially when done to further propaganda and to turn American against American for the sake of politics and the need to play "my religion is better than yours". It also indicates the lack of knowlwdge concerning historical events, using this same strategy, that always end up in bloodshed, death and war.
There are more pressing issues that we should be concerned with instead of turning into a country of voyers and busybodies, so concerned with the lives of others that we don't realize what's happening that directly affects our lives and the well-being of this country. Personal sexual preference, in itself, is not killing this country and its citizens. What's killing us is Americans who refuse to accept the truth about those they follow, admire and want to emulate and who punish those who tell them what they don't want to hear.
Too many Americans have not upheld the duty they have to protect democratic principles as citizens in a democracy but have done what it takes to dismantle the tenants of democracy and the rights that everyone should enjoy, not just those who are in power or agree with them. They protect those who violate moral, ethical and humanitarian values, under the guise of "faith", while blaming others for the consequences..

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