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Pollsters Drop John Edwards from Head to Head Match-Ups

Posted by Joshua Holland, AlterNet at 5:42 PM on January 18, 2008.


Another attempt to narrow the primary field before most people cast a vote.
What About John Edwards?

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So, now, Survey USA, which conducts an influential state-by-state poll, has decided that John Edwards is not sufficiently "viable" to be included in their head-to-head match-ups for the general election.

This is in keeping with a major theme of campaign 2008: our media and political establishments narrowing the field before most Americans get to cast a vote.

Nothing new there -- our electoral choices are always limited to a few candidates whom the Beltway establishment finds "palatable" -- who raise a lot of cash from large donors and who won't disturb the status quo. But this cycle, they appear to be doing so with unusual intensity. Why? Because they're terrified -- this is an election in which voters are pissed off, and many appear ready to reject the anointed front-runners in favor of candidates they believe will shake up Washington's business-as-usual ways.

That volatility scares a lot of people who do quite well under the status quo, thank you, and the attacks on candidates like Mike Huckabee -- a heretic for questioning the GOP's unquestioned fealty to Wall Street's investor class -- have been particularly striking. As have been the efforts to narrow the larger political debates, with Fox sidelining Ron Paul and NBC rewriting its own rules in order to uninvite Dennis Kucinich to Tuesday's Dem show-down in Nevada.

John Edwards, with his explicit and sharp critique of the ways in which corporate power distorts our political discourse, is in a special category. Unlike a Paul or Kucinich, Edwards was the VEEP on the Dems' last ticket, and therefore can't be marginalized as easily. But they've tried to marginalize him nonetheless, both by focusing on his haircuts and failing miserably to engage the actual messages of his campaign.

I think this offers as good a picture of what a lot of the Villagers are feeling as any …

Which brings me back to SurveyUSA, and their 50-state head-to-head polling. Sarah Lane pointed this out at DailyKos

I just got off the phone with a representative from Survey USA. I was perplexed by a recent poll done by Survey USA in conjunction with local Oregon news affiliate KATU News, where Edwards was left out of the polling. In case you didn't know, Edwards has deep support here in Oregon. Oregonians gave more money to Edwards than they have to Clinton or Obama.

The short version of the story is that SurveyUSA told Lane that they had made a "judgment call" in deciding that Edwards had no shot at the nomination. Lane took issue with the inclusion of Giuliani in the head-to-heads, as Giuliani trails Edwards in both national polls and delegates. But I think that misses a few points.

First, we don't have national primaries, so national polls are meaningless. The next state is all that counts, and that's Nevada. And while several polls show Clinton pulling ahead of Obama and Edwards trailing, others have the race as a virtual three-way tie. The media creates its own self-fulfilling prophesy with their breathless reports about the shifts in "momentum" after each primary. If Edwards were to pull off an (admittedly highly improbable) win in Nevada, the story would be about his resurrection from the ashes, and that would impact the race down the line. Only four states have weighed in on this race, and the rest of us are waiting for our shot, SurveyUSA is making a judgment call that he doesn't have a shot, based on nothing but their own fallible polling.

Secondly -- and I think this is a the bigger issue -- SurveyUSA is stripping the Edwards' campaign of one of its best selling points: the fact that he does better than the other Dem candidates in theoretical match-ups with everyone in the GOP field. In fact, against the GOP's strongest candidate in head-to-heads, John McCain, only Edwards among the top Dems wins comfortably. Here's a graphic that drives home the point, courtesy of Pioneer111 over at Kos:

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So, by not including him in head-to-heads, they're effectively obscuring one of the strongest rationales for nominating Edwards. The fact that he beats up on the GOP is inconvenient, so they're simply excising it from the discourse surrounding the Democratic primary.

Sarah Lane offers a way to vent:

If you'd like to contact Survey USA and ask them why they left Edwards out of their polling while Giuliani was not, you can call them here: 1-800-786-8000. You can email them here at their news tip line: thenews@katu.com

Anyway, the video in the upper right window is a piece put together by the Edwards' campaign taking the media to task for desperately trying to create a clear two-person race before Democratic voters do so.

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Tagged as: election08, edwards

Joshua Holland is an editor and senior writer at AlterNet.


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Excellent Piece
Posted by: pmorlan on Jan 18, 2008 7:46 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Mr. Holland, thank you for expressing exactly the things we've been screaming at our TV and computer. We feel so powerless as we watch the media and Party insiders try to take down Edwards. What's even more upsetting is watching blogs repeat the same lies that the corporate media and Party insiders have used to try to run Edwards out of this campaign.

We donated $100 today to the Edwards campaign in solidarity with other progressives who think that Edwards represents our best chance at taking back our country. We only wish our fellow Democrats that participate on blogs would take off their partisan glasses long enough to really see whats at stake. Unfortunately I think they view what's happening to Edwards only in how it helps their candidate in the primary. In reality what's being done to Edwards harms ALL of us.

By the way the Gallup organization stopped polling Edwards in head-to-head matchups back in November. I know this because they told me so in an email back in November. Below is part of that email response. According to Gallup and of course the rest of the media this election in their view was already decided before the first vote was even cast. And what's even more disturbing is that the person at Gallup who sent me this email evidently felt no need to hide this fact. She brazenly admitted it in an email. Her response also shows where they eliminated Huckabee.

"In a perfect world we would ask match-ups of the 3 Democrats versus the 5 Republicans but we cannot fit all that onto a single questionnaire. We have asked about Edwards in the past, but given limited space on surveys we have to make difficult decisions about who we can and cannot include. Most of it is determined by current poll position.

Since the Republican race is more unsettled, we decided it was better to include more Republicans than Democrats in the trial heats, though still having to leave off Huckabee, for example. On the Democratic side, since Hillary Clinton is most likely the nominee, we considered just asking her versus the leading Republicans, but it is useful to have at least one other Democrat to compare her too, to see if she does better or worse than another Democrat. Since Obama is a clear second, he is the obvious choice. If the positions of the candidates on the polls change in the future, we'll obviously reconsider who we include and who we don't."

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» RE: xcellent Piece Posted by: peacefullaim
» RE: xcellent Piece Posted by: Astroboy
» RE: xcellent Piece Posted by: puddytat
Voter suppression comes in many different forms
Posted by: warrior woman on Jan 19, 2008 4:14 AM   
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Voter suppression comes in many different forms including that of media propaganda. THe author just bought into it too in citing that Edwards has little chance in Nevada. We can do it to them or we can do it to ourselves, but in order to do it for ourselves, we must pay attention. Just a little bit and see through the trickery. Think of it this way: They tell you to do this, do that. What is necessary on our part is usually the opposite of what they tell us to do. Get it??

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politics does indeed make strange bedfellows -- there's a theory that Baptists and bootleggers need
Posted by: Suzon on Jan 19, 2008 4:16 AM   
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each other. The Baptists benefit from condemning the bootleggers and the bootleggers benefit from medicating the people fearing hellfire (my synopsis).

Religious people getting into bed with Wall Street and warmongers is similarly strange. Kucinich and Ron Paul have been all but eliminated. Edwards is the only real threat to the status quo.

For feminists and romantics, Clinton and Obama have a great feel-good factor. Those of us who have smelled the coffee and avoid the Kool Aid understand that the callous and greedy top 1% will be just as happy with either Clinton or Obarak as with a Republican occupant of the White House.

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I prefer Edwards too, but...
Posted by: brunowe on Jan 19, 2008 4:57 AM   
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...he hasn't done better than third place anywhere. Further, the most recent polls in Nevada, South Carolina and Florida also have him in a distant (by double-digits) third place. I don't think you can simply discount the fact that there are reasons for head-to-head polls assuming that it is so unlikely that he will win the nomination at this point that it isn't cost-effective to factor him in.

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» RE: I prefer Edwards too, but... Posted by: peacefullaim
» RE: I prefer Edwards too, but... Posted by: Joshua Holland
» I WISH Posted by: 2dogarage
SERF'S UP(pidy)
Posted by: curiousgeezer on Jan 19, 2008 5:00 AM   
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Only Edwards can beat the republicans! All the
media has to do is make him a non-issue, an effort that is coming along nicely!
Add that to the slight edge they gain by controlling the vote count with THEIR machines, and we are blessed with at least four more years of looting America!

Lights out guys! Toodles, W.H.

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The e-mail link for calling them on it doesn't work
Posted by: workerbee on Jan 19, 2008 7:04 AM   
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I tried e-mailing thenews@katu.com and got a delivery failure notice. If you can post an e-mail address that goes through, I'll gladly try again -- SOMEBODY needs to get it into these folks' heads that they can't continue to get away with this!

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» Use this Posted by: luckypuck
Conspiracy!
Posted by: luckypuck on Jan 19, 2008 7:34 AM   
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John Edwards will (I hope he will)fight special interests and diminish the hold corporations have on our government. Survey USA is a corporation. Survey USA is a corporation. Survey USA is a corporation. Survey USA is a corporation. Survey USA is a corporation. 'Nuff said.

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Want more Neo-Nazi/Fascists in The White House?
Posted by: TarryFaster on Jan 19, 2008 7:37 AM   
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Vote for Obama or especially Hillary.

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for workerbee and others
Posted by: luckypuck on Jan 19, 2008 7:37 AM   
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Contact SurveyUSA here: editor@surveyusa.com

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He's one of THEM
Posted by: Ethical1 on Jan 19, 2008 8:32 AM   
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Has anybody read Daniel Estulin's book, "The True Story of the Bilderberg Group"? John Edwards is just as "owned" as Hilary. He pulled a slick willy trick by refusing to accept corporate campaign funds. So what. Smooth. He's really going to hoodwink us all with that one!

Bilderberg fronts both sides in the campaign, no matter who get's in office, they win. It's a shoe-in. In the words of Bill Hicks, these guys show the "new president" a film of the Kennedy assasination as filmed from the grassy knoll.

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» RE: He's one of THEM Posted by: sallythewally
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....
Posted by: Astroboy on Jan 19, 2008 9:49 AM   
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Hey all you sheep, get a clue.

The MSM and corporate backed polls are offering you their version of reality and you sheep are creating it by believing it!!

The "Powers That Be" are SCARED FUCKING SHITLESS of a John Edwards presidency!!!!

THAT ALONE TELLS YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW!!!!!!

SNAP OUT OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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» RE: Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..... Posted by: sallythewally
» RE: Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..... Posted by: Astroboy
08 election is a sham!
Posted by: stangman89 on Jan 19, 2008 11:04 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It's not about who you want to be president, it's who the military corporate machine wants. War is more important than anything else. That's why Hillary is receiving more money then anyone else. Only Kucinich, Gravel, or Paul are worth voting for, but the MSM isn't going to tell you that. If you didn't like Bush the past 8 years, get ready for more misery.

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I'm pretty sure
Posted by: g50 on Jan 19, 2008 11:04 AM   
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that nobody is afraid of Edwards or his message.

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» RE: I'm pretty sure Posted by: Astroboy
» RE: I'm pretty sure Posted by: g50
» Big Business Fears Edwards Posted by: nherkowitz
I am so sick of these Paul fans-
Posted by: Ellie1 on Jan 19, 2008 1:32 PM   
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Like typical Republicans, telling half the story, shading him in half truths. Sure he wants to end the war (who doesn't) but he wants to take away social security, women's rights, all federal funding of ANYTHING. Like highways? Forget it. Ever been laid off? Forget unemployment insurance. Social Security? Better start saving. And if your daughter gets pregnant, better be prepared to support another mouth.

He is a VERY dangerous man. The only good thing about him is his anti-war stance. Beyond that, he is George Bush. We don't need ANOTHER conservative Texan in the White House.

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» RE: I am so sick of these Paul fans- Posted by: anninroosevelt
It's so easy when you own...
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Jan 19, 2008 9:45 PM   
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The media, the courts, the voting machines, the poll-workers, and most of the rest of the government.

Suckers.

Ian

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John Edwards the true candidtate for the people
Posted by: rew1956 on Jan 20, 2008 3:05 AM   
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Ok, now what you all are not understanding or saying, for why the reason most CNN and other types of Media reporting boards are basically ignoring John Edwards, well put simply he is not for big corporate media and he is not for special interest groups. He because of his unpopular stands will not get the media hype as well as the other two. He did win second place in the first primary selection and Hilliary won third place, but when the media and news agencies started to report about this, it was almost as if he never won! They wanted to keep Obama and Hilliary as the only two candidates in this race. Wake up America, how much more do you all need to see and hear to understand that the Media and all reporting avenues even this one has been slighted towards the curve which will benefit them the best! John Edwards speaks the truth and in our society we have heard lies so long we do not want the truth, and we choose to not see how we are all being manipulated like puppets on a string! It is unfortunate but true that we have given up on our own civil rights and allowed the media to entertain us to the point of oblivion! We sit and watch the polls being manipulated yet we still sit and watch, and we believe it too! This part astounds me beyond belief, it really does!

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OBAMA, EDWARDS, HILLARY Just wanted to remind you
Posted by: 1984NOW!!! on Jan 20, 2008 9:21 PM   
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that EDWARDS came in second in the first Iowa caucus. DID YOU HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT EDWARDS THEREAFTER?? NO! NO! NO! NO!
All we heard about after was why & how Hillary could beat Obama.
No mention that EDWARDS was also to be dealt with. DOES THE MEDIA, MOSTLY CONTROLLED BY RIGHT WING PROPAGANDIST, THINK WE DIDN'T NOTICE.
All the above said, Hillary or Obama will be great as President, but then look at whom we have to compare them to if you consider the last HORRIBLE seven years of a PresiDON'T. (Another stinking year left. AAARGH)
I just wanted a choice to make. I live in California, I haven't even voted yet!

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