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How Will Iowa Turnout Help or Hurt Clinton, Obama and Edwards?

Posted by Jane Hamsher, Firedoglake at 7:15 AM on January 3, 2008.


There's a lot of small community social pressure you have to factor in when trying to predict an outcome.
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Having spent the past couple of days watching the various campaigns in action, I'll venture a couple of cautious predictions for today.

Obama's supporters are young and really enthusiastic. His crowds are bigger than Clinton's, and if passion could take the day, he'd do it. At Clinton's rally today in Cedar Rapids (above), her followers are older and have the air of being civic leaders. Obama's crowds do have older people as well, but listening to them talk, they seem like they are to a great degree people who aren't ordinarily that engaged in the political process. Obama has drawn them in with the hope that the nasty politics of the Bush era can be overcome.

Caucus voting in Iowa isn't a matter of punching a card in secret, it's done in the open and everybody in the room knows how you're voting. Add to that the fact that if your candidate doesn't reach a 15% threshold, you get to cast a second vote -- and people get to speak on behalf of their candidate. It's actually a very anti-democratic process. There's a lot of small community social pressure you have to factor in when trying to predict an outcome.

It's hard to know where things actually stand, the polls indicate that on the Democratic side it's a tight race. I haven't had a chance to observe the Edwards operation in action (will do so tonight at the Mellencamp show) but all things being equal, I'd have to say that if it were strictly a matter of Clinton supporters in a room with Obama supporters, the gravitas of the Clinton supporters would probably carry the day.

Clinton's also running a very effective radio ad right now of an older woman saying "I was born before women had the right to vote, and before I die I want to see a woman in the White House." It's very emotional and a direct plea to the kinds of people who are going to show up and carry a lot of weight in an open, community decision making process.

Candidates need people who can show up and argue persuasively for them in a community situation. If the person who grants you your bank loan, who sits on the city council, who employs your kid at the local hardware store is saying one thing and a bunch of impassioned teenagers are arguing another, after eyeballing their respective crowds I'd have to give the advantage to Clinton.

Edwards, however, is polling the strongest on the 2nd choice vote. And CW has it that low turnout favors Edwards (he's got solid union support), mid turnout favors Clinton, and high turnout favors Obama. And it's cold as shit here right now, even by Iowa standards.

Consider this your official Iowa Democratic Prediction thread.

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Jane Hamsher is the founder of FireDogLake. Her work has also appeared on the Huffington Post, Alternet and The American Prospect.


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Your Fear Factor polling myth...
Posted by: kirktc on Jan 3, 2008 7:49 AM   
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I don't agree with the statement of people being swayed in their vote because of small community social pressure's, I think people like me are a lot more concerned with our Countries problems, then with what the Jones's are going to think of us. I'm one of the new caucus go'ers, and it's because I have never felt there was a Candidate in any party special or different enough in their platform to spend my time promoting before. It had nothing to do with what I thought of how my civic/social leaders voted, as your statement makes it sound.
And as far as your thought's of this arrangement being a very anti-Democratic process, I disagree very strongly with your feelings on that statement. To me and most of America I believe, that's what makes us a Democratic Country, being able to speak out, make changes to unjust laws, practice any religion we choose without fear of suppression, everyone, no matter from what ethnic background living under the same laws and freedom, especially to have the right to Vote, that's all part of our Constitution that we as American's can still take pride in, and should be teaching today's youth, that they have a right to take pride in also.
So many people are so quick to promote the negative attitudes in our society, that they forget to teach our young the power the young are entitled too and have at their finger tips and what a little positive attitude can do to change the negative endorsements around them in society. Promoting negative feedback is a large part of the reason children and young adult's feel so disconnected from their so called "Adult" community. Don't you ever feel that maybe it's not the Youth of today that's the Problem, but the Attitude of the Adult's that are creating the Problems for our Youth. Just a thought I've had for most of my 49 years and as a mother for 29 of those years, while trying to raise mine in what has become Our Negative Society. And I thank God for the success I've had with them and their friends, to be proud of themselves and the Country they were born in, that it's their god given right. But I also teach them that respect is something that has to be earned, and it's only earned as a individual, not by being part of a crowd.

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ALOT OF HYPE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jan 3, 2008 2:26 PM   
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But anything that reminds us that in less than a year these awful people will be history, makes us feel good. I can't blame anyone for believing that Iowa and New Hampshire are all that significant. There's too much crap waiting to be resolved and I still think that's what we should addressing. But it's good to see that the election is getting alot of attention. That's a good thing. Thanks, ANNA

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As A Woman...
Posted by: niliadis on Jan 3, 2008 5:13 PM   
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As a woman I a proud thinking of the opportunity our daughters will have in just having a Woman President..And a president that is qualified, who has experience and can bring back the proudness we once had. Hillary will bring back the global respect we all as Americans owned... We can not let this opportunity be taken from us. Secure men are also proud of Hillary, she is the only one that we can trust to know what needs to be done.Finally our upcoming yougn women will be paid equal as men in the same job. Today at this time over 3/4 or more women are getting paid less than men in the same job.. Let us not
let down our yougn women !!!!
Obama a Jr Senator with no experience, talks about hope and change. These are just words to him. How can he possibly bring hope and change
when you need to have experience, specialy
in foreign issues. We can not put the future of our country in the hands of an inexperienced
gentleman. He need to learn the ropes. We can not risk the future of our Country.God Help us!!
Vote for experience!!! So we can sleep at night
so our children will have more than we have today. Thank you to all you men and woman for the responsible vote. Hillary'08

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tonight's turnout
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Jan 3, 2008 8:15 PM   
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was most likely the death knell for the Republicans' '08 chances.

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