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Paul Krugman Has Housing Bubble News That Will Scare the Crap Out of You

Posted by Christy Hardin Smith, Firedoglake at 10:45 AM on December 20, 2007.


According to Krugman, it is going to be a bumpy ride. For everyone.

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Paul Krugman recently talked to Google regarding the housing bubble, bad loans, and where this all may go. The video runs 71 minutes -- and it will scare the crap out of you.

Have been trying to educate myself on economic issues by reading Calculated Risk, the WSJ, and other publications. It makes my eyes glaze over, but Krugman pulls this together into a more coherent construct.

Suddenly, things that looked bad individually look even worse in the aggregate. Reps. Brad Miller and Linda Sanchez are discussing this on DKos today -- worth dropping in to chat.

-- Via Krugman's blog:

According to the OFHEO data, prices in Houston rose only 26% over the last five years. But prices in Miami rose 115%. That is, the bubbles in the most bubbleicious areas were bigger than anything we've ever seen -- and there's every reason to think that the required fall in prices in those areas will be much bigger than anything we've seen since the Great Depression.

This reads like Enron for housing markets, doesn't it?

-- Energy prices are still high. Meaning ugly household budgets. Take home heating oil: the recent increase in aid to the poor for winter heating can't keep pace with increased costs.

-- There is a growing consensus that a recession is coming. Folks who are already being squeezed will have to tighten their belts even more -- some with no give left.

-- OTOH, as Mr. ReddHedd pointed out over coffee, everyone isn't defaulting, and a whole lot of lower income people have purchased homes due to low rates that wouldn't have otherwise. (Small consolation to those who are defaulting though.) There is a personal responsibility component: when we were looking at houses, we calculated a payment that didn't put us too far out on a shaky payment limb and then applied for a loan. We were offered some INSANE loan amounts -- and borrowed a lot less because it was better for us. Unfortunately, some folks didn't second guess those bank offers or catch the fine print in bad loans.

The responsibility for this falls partly on predatory lenders deliberately selling inappropriate products to low information consumers (this isn't all banks by any means). And on overinflated banking risk rosy scenario calculations. But it also falls in part on those who signed up for loans they couldn't afford. It's deception and poor planning in one bundle -- and we are all going to pay for it.

According to Krugman, it is going to be a bumpy ride. For everyone.

The costs of loan defaults, of housing value deflation, of increasing rental prices, of increased banking costs to recoup losses, of investment losses in retirement funds...it goes on and on. And that doesn't begin to touch families losing their homes. As Krugman says, there was a moment where things could have been corrected, a temporary patch that didn't hold was applied -- and then it got worse again. How much worse? Dunno...we are still sliding.

I can't help but think about those folks on the margins who can least afford to pay for someone else's bad risks. What a mess.

(H/T Allan, GSD)

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Christy Hardin Smith is a former attorney, who earned her undergraduate degree at Smith College, in American Studies and Government, concentrating in American Foreign Policy. She then went on to graduate studies at the University of Pennsylvania in the field of political science and international relations/security studies, before attending law school at the College of Law at West Virginia University, where she was Associate Editor of the Law Review.


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Predatory lending
Posted by: chaoslegs on Dec 20, 2007 11:21 AM   
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You put some blame on the folks with the mortgage, but this blog, shifts more to the lender than the author seems to.

The shocker is the fraction of subprime borrowers who appear to have had credit scores good enough to receive cheaper, conventional loans: 55 percent!

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» RE: Predatory lending Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Predatory lending Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Predatory lending Posted by: Grandma Crabby
THE GREAT AMERICAN DREAM
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Dec 20, 2007 2:08 PM   
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People began to buy houses as an 'investment', not just to live in the way their parents had. Calculations were based upon what everything would be worth at some future date. Looked good. Real estate always appreciates they said. Except when it doesn't. Most of these loans were fraudulent.Sold by people who were not not even licensed. A 'second mortgage, became a 'home equity loan'. It's not the first time we've had to bail out the banks. Let's have more de-regulation. Thanks, ANNA

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Haven't watched the video yet - but I am looking forward to it
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Dec 20, 2007 4:41 PM   
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I read Krugman regularly tho and doubt that I will be seriously surprised by anything in the speech.

If I had a complaint about K, it would be that (no doubt because of the restraints placed on him by the NYT) he doesn't go far enough - and he goes pretty far.

When I heard Greenspan's testimony to congress, accepting the ruinous tax cuts; when he slashed interest rates at the same time we were running enormous deficits and said that lenders should engage in "creative solutions" in home loans, I knew that it was eventually gonna hit the fan - and trust me on this, we ain't seen nothin yet.

The disaster that is about to befall the US economy is the Bush/Greenspan disaster - but it will be blamed on the poor Democrat that has to restore fiscal discipline - ask Jimmy Carter how that worked out for him.

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The one thing missing in the Housing Debacle: Info about the loan servicing companies
Posted by: bobalew on Dec 20, 2007 6:01 PM   
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A Good reason why there are so many foreclosures going on, is the connection of the Predatory loans to PREDATORY LOAN SERVICING COMPANIES.
These companies, by design and practice are nothing more than FORECLOSURE MILLS. In some cases the very minute your loan is in thier hands, it is in peril of foreclosure. The Bad business practices these companies use are the following:
Untimely and Deliberately late posting of home loan payments, even when received on time:
Results in outrageous, unpayable LATE FEES, Many times with out the customer being notified of them. Of course, any late charges are are charged against the payment, causing the payment to be rejected, or short & late once more...

Theft of Escrow funds(For Insurance & Taxes):
Once a "Late Payment" Scenario has been established, the customer's escrow will be raided for the late fees, thus when the escrowed insurance payment comes due, there's no money to pay for it and the homeownwer's insurance lapses, which gives the Servicing company another chance to Charge thier own igh priced insurance against the Payments and whatever is left of the escrow, many times again without the customer's knowledge.

$900.00 "Drive-By" Appraisals:
Once the Payments have been late for a couple of months, again, many times with out the customer's knowledge, The Forclosure process starts, and the Servicing company finds it necessary to "Appraise" the property to see if iI's "Really still There" and "OK". This is yet another set of fees stacked onto and Already late and inflated set of charges.
Agin, many times without the customer's knowledge. remember the whole point of this is to foreclose on and steal the customer's home.

Stealth Foreclosure Auctions:
Once the home is in deep foreclosure, the company places a small ad in the local legal journal, or newspaper, that the home is to auctioned off on the courthpouse seps. The point being, to make as obsure as possible. If the customer doesn't catch that, it's a Big surprise whaen the Sheriff knocks on thier door, and tells them to leave as they no longer own their home. BTW, MAny time, in these "Stealth" Forclosures. the Servicing company will not have any buyers, and they'll acyually buy the property themselves for a very low bid, like say, a Dollar?
What ever the price, the home will get put on the market, and the servicing company will either get a big profit, or they 'll certainly get all thier fees, Post sale.

Pretty unbelievable Huh?
Well, if you want substantiation, Google up "FairBanks Capital" on the Web. They had a BIG FTC complaint against them. They then Got sold to Credit Suisse, and changed their name to Select Servicing Portfolio, but not their stripes... Also check out Lief & Cabraser's Lawsuit against Sutter Servicing: it appears that they Kick-start the foreclosure process the minute they recieve the contract to service your brand new Refinanced Predatory Variable Interest rate loan!
THERE'S QUITE A FEW COMPANIES DOING THIS. Why? IT'S UNDER THE RADAR AND EASY MONEY, PREYING ON THE DESPERATE & POOR!
So Once you find out how true this is PLEASE Kick it up and FORWARD! Everyone NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT THIS!
Regards, Bob

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Logic 101
Posted by: efrainstacy on Dec 20, 2007 6:02 PM   
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The negative of "everybody is defaulting" is "not everybody is defaulting" and not "everybody isn't defaulting".

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» RE: Logic 101 Posted by: Artaraxl
GE Corporation Idiots At NBC, MSNBC, CNBC Praise The Economy
Posted by: mrtshw on Dec 21, 2007 7:25 AM   
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This morning the insufferably moronic Gomer Pyle wannabe, Joe Scarborough,continued to incessantly laud the economy with the likes of pathetically perky China Cheerleader, Erin Burnett and grotesquely smug Lawrence Kudlow.
Alternately, Paul Krugman actually has authenic credentials in economics (PhD. Economics) and has even occassionally been right in his analyses of our economy.

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No news on the media
Posted by: Chloe2005 on Dec 21, 2007 11:10 AM   
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What a shock??!! Of course they don't want to go into detail before the Christmas shopping season (and after Christmas sales). The bad news might cut into the Christmas profit. And what is more important than profit? Let consumerism march on. Free market capitalism, blah, blah, blah.

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