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189 Republicans Affirm Their Support of Torture

Posted by The Xsociate , The All Spin Zone at 7:19 AM on December 14, 2007.


The House passes waterboarding ban, now it must make it through the Senate and Bush has promised to veto.
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I'm back to my one trick pony propensity again but given the serious of the subject matter -- the subjection to and potential cover up of the torture of US detainees -- I feel a bit of harping is warranted. But as with most things the Congress does these days, they just aren't thinking far enough ahead.

Yesterday, the House took the advice of a phalanx of retired Army and Navy officers to ignoring President Bush's threat to veto and passed by a ban on the practice of waterboarding.

The House approved legislation yesterday that would bar the CIA from using waterboarding and other harsh interrogation tactics, drawing an immediate veto threat from the White House and setting up another political showdown over what constitutes torture.

The measure, approved by a largely party-line vote of 222 to 199, would require U.S. intelligence agencies to follow Army rules adopted last year that explicitly forbid waterboarding. It also would require interrogators to adhere to a strict interpretation of the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of prisoners of war. The rules, required by Congress for all Defense Department personnel, also ban sexual humiliation, "mock" executions and the use of attack dogs, and prohibit the withholding of food and medical care.

The measure still must make it through the Senate, which given that some members have already signaled their willingness to downplay even the most heinous of practices, remains very much in doubt.

But even if it were to reach full passage, it would be -- as my post title suggests -- utterly meaningless. For you see the Congress has already affirmed such a ban. It was a little thing called the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005. And we all remember how long that "ban" lasted (hint: as long as it took the ink to dry on the "Only if I want to" note Bush attached to it).

So while we can applaud Congress for once again seeking to clear up the issue of just which practices are acceptable, if past is prologue, this latest affirmation won't matter one bit.

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What the hell is up with Kucinich???
Posted by: drmflorida on Dec 14, 2007 6:17 AM   
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Here are the 10 democrats who voted against this:

Davis (IL)
Kucinich
Lee
Lewis (GA)
Marshall
Scott (GA)
Serrano
Stark
Waters
Woolsey

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The Devil Works In Mysterious Ways
Posted by: QQOblivion on Dec 14, 2007 6:42 AM   
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I'll say it again. Torture is second only to murder as a crime against a person's physical being -- The torturers are evil sadistic monsters, pure and simple.
And those who would actually legitimize torture are monsters too. This includes the Republican (and Democratic) congressmen who voted against the legislation. This, of course, includes President Bush, who, being without a conscience, would actually veto this common-sense and necessary legislation.
The devil works in mysterious ways, I guess! SHAME!

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What make you think Dumbya is going to pay any attention to this
Posted by: james2021 on Dec 14, 2007 7:04 AM   
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There are lots of statutes and agreements banning waterboarding, but George ( I am the Dictator) Bush can ignore all of them. Just exercising his Devine Right as King.

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My Guess
Posted by: tommybones on Dec 14, 2007 7:59 AM   
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Kucinich has stated quite clearly that the torture practices are already a clear violation of international and domestic law and any new laws will only be used to strengthen cases of those who broke those existing laws, by allowing them to point to the new law as a defense that what they had done previous to those new laws was therefore not against any law.

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» RE: My Guess Posted by: drmflorida
» RE: Kucinich please respond Posted by: Ripcord
I'm so sick of Washington
Posted by: Staggo on Dec 14, 2007 8:12 AM   
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There are so many abominations spewing from the Bush machine. It seems that the mere act of breathing has become a disgusting reflection of Washington disease. I am so F***ing fed up with the Democrats. I now see them as accomplices in every evil being perpetrated by this government. Democrats have smugly thought we'd take absolute control in Jan,. 2009. We may very well suffer a humiliating defeat. The news is no longer what Bush does but what the Dems won't.

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» RE: I'm so sick of Washington Posted by: drmflorida
Information missing here
Posted by: Sunnydayz on Dec 14, 2007 9:17 AM   
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At least according to the huffington post, most of this bill was CLASSIFIED and its hard to know what else was included in this bill and what else they would be voting for. I find it hard to give support to a bill when most of it whats in it isnt somthing I get to see, I have to hand over blind trust.

Here is the address for the huffington post that claimed that most of the bill was classified. Just remove the space I put between .com/ and huff

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ huff-wires/20071213/intelligence-bill/

I do agree with a bill to ban all torture, but didnt we already have laws to do that? It dosent seem to matter much that laws were in place to prevent torture. The Geneva conventions (which would cover foreign nationals) also dosent seem to be much help. It seems to me that no matter who you are, american or foreign nationl.....there were laws to protect you and your human rights, but this administration has circumvented all that.

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technocrat
Posted by: technocrat on Dec 14, 2007 12:05 PM   
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So what else is new? Ready Howard Zinn's People's History of the Twentieth Century. During and after World War I, acting on legislation passed down from the sycophants in Washington, protesters against the war were hunted down, imprisoned for decades, and subjected to delicacies like being strung up until unconscious while military officers clubbed their knees and ankles, then when they recovered had water shot up their noses from hoses 6" from their faces, until they passed out. And that was in this country, not Gitmo or some other offshore torture chamber.
Nothing changes. Business interests determine the wars we fight and who will fight them. Since the 1850's the American military has simply served as muscle for American corporate interests. The sooner we come to grips with this, the more sane we can remain. It's the corporatocracy we have to fear. And considering the monumental support it has generated for itself among the masses by investing itself into the American psyche from earliest childhood, it is doubtful it is anywhere close to losing its grip on the people and resources of the world. Buena suerte, mis amigos.

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A little advice for the author
Posted by: chaoslegs on Dec 15, 2007 5:20 PM   
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Please give us the number of the resolution, in this case HR 2802. This makes it easier for the rest of us to judge for ourselves, or dig other information like the first comment did listing the 10 no votes from the Dems. There were also 5 Republicans who voted yes, and 5 no votes from each party.

If any of you readers want to dig deeper, go to the roll call page and either click on Roll Call 1160 to see who voted for it, or HR 2802 for information about the resolution.

As a community we can act like parallel processors, processing more information with the right tools.

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