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Ron Paul Comes Out for Marriage Equality

Posted by Pam Spaulding, Pam's House Blend at 1:03 PM on December 11, 2007.


Pam Spaulding: That deep-sixes Paul with the fundies, but he didn't court them anyway.
Ron Paul on Same Sex Marriage

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This post, written by Pam Spaulding, originally appeared on Pam's House Blend

Well we now have exactly one Republican candidate for president who is willing to take the public plunge in support of marriage equality, though in a predictably roundabout way -- former Libertarian Ron Paul. It's in the context that the state shouldn't be involved with marriage to begin with, which is at least a sane approach to viewing this issue compared to the rest of the clown car.

He had this exchange on 20/20 with John Stossel:

JS - Homosexuality. Should gays be allowed to marry?

RP - Sure.

JS - The state says we believe in this...

RP - Sure. They can do whatever they want and they can call it whatever they want; just so they don't expect to impose their relationship on someone else. They can't make me personally accept what they do; gay couples can do whatever they want. I would like to see all governments out of the marriage question. I don't think it is a state function; it is a religious function. There was a time when only churches dealt with marriage and they determined what it was. But 100 years or so ago for health reasons, they claimed the state would protect us if we knew more about our spouses and did health tests and had to get a license to get marriage. I don't agree with that.

Joe Murray said this over at Paleo Place:

In the segment, Dr. Paul explains what he means by freedom. Drug use, prostitution, and the issue the religious right likes to pander like hot dogs at a ball game--homosexuality.

Dr. Paul does not placate to the fringes of the party--AFA, Focus, ADF, Americans For Truth and the rest of those who you know tune into the daily soap opera--"Gays of our Lives. " Rather, this Texas Congressman hits a home run, in my view.

That deep-sixes Paul with the fundies, but he didn't court them anyway. What will be interesting is whether there will be follow up with Giuliani and Romney, who have been tagged with the pro-gay label in the past (and running from it now), to address Ron Paul's libertarian position on church and state regarding marriage.

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Pam Spaulding blogs at Pam's House Blend.


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Paul seems to be making up his platform as he goes along.
Posted by: Ellie1 on Dec 11, 2007 2:46 PM   
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Every time I check out his platform, it has changed. He is sounding more like a progressive. However if he won, I think red states would become redder and blue states bluer. Fewer "purple" states. Strange for a Christian Texan. Tolerance for others? Or is this pandering to left wingers? I still wouldn't vote for him-we don't need another Republican TEXAN in the White House.

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» RE: I don't even know where to begin... Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
Ron Paul is A Fundie
Posted by: corey on Dec 12, 2007 3:49 AM   
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Ron Paul is the "Nader" of the past.

He hangs out with fundy gay-haters all the time.

He may claim to be a "Constitutionalist", but would like to take away a woman's right to choose.

He is in the same "pile" as Gulliano, Huckabee, and Romney.

In fact, I stopped giving money to Kucinich, when I heard he would like to run with Ron Paul.

There really is not hope, unless there is a civil war, one between the rational liberals who are much like the founding fathers, and the conservative, religious fundamentalist who are much like Hitler and others.

I won’t take away their right to have a gun, as long as they don’t throw out my First Amendment right to not have their religion shoved in my face....

Oh wait, they have already done that with; faith based initiatives, school prayer, the republican parties relationship with the religious right and the murder and killing of innocent people throughout the ages; the inquisition, Joan of Arc, witches of Salem, blacks throughout the years, woman....need I go on.

America should be a Secular country...or we will end up like the Middle East, and may be invaded and occupied by another country that wants to "save" us....


Corey Mondello
Boston, Massachusetts
cpmondello@yahoo.com
www.CoreyMondello.com

12-12-07

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Congratulations, Paul!
Posted by: kgs1947 on Dec 12, 2007 6:56 AM   
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You'll never be elected, but you are setting a path for others who seek truth and freedom!

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Ron Paul
Posted by: Romantic Violence on Dec 12, 2007 7:56 AM   
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Given the 'popular vote', with advertisement which I haven't seen on MSM, I'm certain that he would win however, with the 'electoral processes', I don't know. I hope he does win. Less govern-ment = more individual freedoms..We've already seen what happens when we elect 'parents' as representatives.

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» RE: on Paul Posted by: Zeugitai
but what does he mean?
Posted by: soulrebeljc on Dec 12, 2007 8:06 AM   
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He says that states should be out of the marriage equation...but a lot of laws specifically define what benefits are allotted to a married couple (even in contrast to a civil union.) If gay couples can't get married in a church (if those restrictions exist) would Paul allow their marriage through a civil authority? What kind of church's marriage proclamation would he accept - would it have to be Christian? Monotheist? Where do atheist gay couples fit in the mix?

I think his statements on the state staying out of the marriage question leave a lot of to be desired.

Jason Call
www.Call4Democracy.org
Candidate, US Congress, New Mexico CD 1

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» What he means is.... Posted by: Libertine
» RE: What he means is.... Posted by: soulrebeljc
» RE: What he means is.... Posted by: Libertine
He's still looking....
Posted by: morticia on Dec 12, 2007 9:27 AM   
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...to send women back to the illegal abortionist. Worse, he's an ob-gyn (gag me). He can go fork himself.

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Well at least he's consistent
Posted by: PandaBear on Dec 12, 2007 10:23 AM   
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His statement fits in with his anti-government stance. His other statements about "imposing" a gay relationship on others (???) and implying that he doesn't accept a gay marriage personally is still pretty repugnant.

It's my personal stance these days that if you don't respect my right to marry then I don't respect yours.

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Got my Vote!
Posted by: jmmartin on Dec 12, 2007 4:10 PM   
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That did it! I'm voting for Ron. And I don't even fully believe in same-sex marriage. I used to be almost militantly against gay marriage, but I am neutral on it now. My former stance (none too wide, by the way) was based on the following observations and convictions: (1) same sex couples getting married is the ultimate capitulation to the desperate need to conform to what straights think of gays, i.e. an attempt to "belong." (2) Who would want to belong to a group of people who can't do anything but procreate, eat, sleep, and crap? (3) Straights have a divorce rate of approximately 49-50% meaning that if gays really conform and emulate straights, they'll have to hire attorneys and you know what a bummer that is. (4) Gays can have children -- i.e. procreate -- just like straights now that test tube babies and sperm depositories are a reality (and exotropic pregnancies just around the corner), but who'd want to bring a child into a world where an evil idiot like George W. Bush can be elected president -- TWICE!

Well, I could go on and on, but you get the idea. My thinking was, as long as gays have equal rights, what difference could it make what you call it, marriage or civil union. But now I realize that the right to marry is itself a civil right, and as long as one group is denied a right, no one has it.

Actually, I plan on voting for Ron Paul in the primary only (permitted in Texas). He hasn't a ghostly chance of winning the GOP nomination, so I will switch to the Dem in the general election. I do that because, frankly, I am not worried the least who the Dem candidate is. I like them all, more or less, and, let's face it, anyone is better than Rudy, Mitt, or that Ultimate Homophobe, Rev. Shuckabee.

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» RE: Got my Vote! Posted by: Maggieb
I have more to say
Posted by: Maggieb on Dec 13, 2007 7:18 AM   
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This is the man who will end all wars immediately. Get rid of the IRS and the monopoly the pentagon is now running in conjunction with the feds. I would vote any party that gave me these choices, but sadly there are those who stay with party regardless of this new revolution. I dare say, you like to wallow in your own messes. If you can't see thru the political quagmire of CFR and their NWO...i pity you all.

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