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Bipartisan Brutality: Senior Dems Also Got Sneak Peak at Waterbording in 2002

Posted by Melissa McEwan, Shakesville at 7:29 AM on December 10, 2007.


Melissa McEwan: Democrats have also been engaging in quite the charade with their supposed outrage about the Bush administration's torture policy.
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Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)

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This post, written by Melissa McEwan, originally appeared on Shakesville

It's bad enough when an opposition party merely fails to effectively oppose, or when they are give tacit approval to a criminally corrupt majority party's radical policies with passive indifference, but when they are active supporters of extremist departures from the nation's most basic principles, they make themselves complicit in the coup by a thousand cuts. Per Lambert, no wonder Pelosi took impeachment off the table:

In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA's overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.

Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said.

...[L]ong before "waterboarding" entered the public discourse, the CIA gave key legislative overseers about 30 private briefings, some of which included descriptions of that technique and other harsh interrogation methods, according to interviews with multiple U.S. officials with firsthand knowledge.

With one known exception, no formal objections were raised by the lawmakers briefed about the harsh methods during the two years in which waterboarding was employed, from 2002 to 2003, said Democrats and Republicans with direct knowledge of the matter.

As Glenn Greenwald explains, the Democrats have also been engaging in quite the charade with their supposed outrage about the Bush administration's torture policy, given that they have retained in the leadership roles tasked with investigating Bush's intelligence abuses the very people who signed off on those abuses.

Jay Rockefeller was one of the key Democrats briefed on the torture methods who never objected. But it's far worse than that. In September, 2006, Rockefeller was one of 12 Senate Democrats to vote in favor of the Military Commissions Act, one of the principal purposes of which was to explicitly authorize the CIA's "enhanced interrogation program" to proceed (even though it continues to be illegal under the Geneva Conventions). Thus, not only did Rockefeller remain silent when continuously briefed on illegal torture methods by the CIA, he then voted to legalize those methods by voting in favor of one of the most Draconian laws in modern American history. That law also retroactively immunized government officials from any liability for past lawbreaking.

Rockefeller is not just any Democrat. He is the individual whom the Democratic Senate caucus thereafter elected -- and still chooses -- to lead them on all matters relating to intelligence. Just consider how compromised he is and they are when it comes to investigating abuses by the intelligence community over the last six years. Rockefeller was complicit in all of those abuses, and the Democrats voted for him -- and still support him -- as their Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. How can Rockefeller possibly preside over meaningful investigations into conduct and policies -- including the destruction of the videotapes and the conduct which those videotapes would reveal -- of which he approved? And how can Senate Democrats pretend to be outraged at such policies when the leader they chose supports them?

Rockefeller's counterpart in the House, Rep. Jane Harman, "disclosed Friday that she filed a classified letter to the CIA in February of that year as an official protest about the interrogation program," but did not publicly air her apprehensions because she was held by the Intelligence Committee's oath of secrecy and therefore not able to disclose the information underlying her concern.

Via the relevant point in response:

A member who believes he or she is in possession of evidence of crimes being committed and covered-up through illegitmate [sic] classification ought to seriously consider civil disobedience: calling a press conference, stating the facts, and accepting responsibility for the consequences. The White House could, of course, then turn around and seek to prosecute a member for violating classification laws, and the member could argue justification and we'd have it out. That's a tough call to make, clearly. But our political leaders have responsibilities to the country and to the constitution and I've never seen a candidate for office say something like "I'm the one who likes to abdicate responsibility, decline to make the tough calls, and then when someone else gets to the bottom of things try to make sure that my ass was covered.

Yglesias is frankly more forgiving than I am. Her oath to protect the Constitution obligated her to do that very thing. She should not have considered civil disobedience an option, but her only option, once aware that the administration had intent to violate the Geneva Conventions and deceive the populous about that decision.

All along the way down this dark road we've traveled the past six years, there have been people in positions to say something, to do something, to take a stand and say no, enough, stop. And if any one of them had publicly done so, had taken that risk in service to the country we're supposed to be, we might still be that country.

If all of them had, we surely would.

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Melissa McEwan writes and edits the blog Shakespeare's Sister.


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This shows the US has only 1 party
Posted by: farhada on Dec 10, 2007 8:07 AM   
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Those who still believe US is a multi party system should look at the current history of your country, this is a perfect example, those democrats are either too dumb to understand torture, or too populist and scared of their own position to stand up against it, in either case, they are not much different than those who actually performed the torture or ordered it.

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Pelosi?
Posted by: Lauren on Dec 10, 2007 8:17 AM   
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Where is the special prosecutor?

Obviously our law makers were terrified. Pelosi, Harmon, they are just normal women, ambitious, trying to get along. The presenters of this information were in fact telling them what to think, terrorizing them. This task is a lot easier to do if there is a frame work with which to tap into.

For example, if someone was a believer of an authoritarian religion, like catholicism, the CIA official in charge of giving the briefing can use that frame to help make the case. It is very subtle, they know what they are doing, how to brainwash people. Brainwashing, you can call it 'training' if you want to misuse a word.

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» RE: "normal women"? Posted by: henderson
» RE: "normal women"? Posted by: Basenjis
» RE: "normal women"? Posted by: Lauren
» RE: "normal women"? Posted by: Doubtom
A Wacky Extremist Speaks
Posted by: QQOblivion on Dec 10, 2007 9:38 AM   
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You have to be EXTREME, wacky even, in your liberal beliefs to be in any way against torture, at least these days. I remember when torture was considered wrong, perhaps even evil. But now? Now everybody thinks it is just dandy.
Democrats? Republicans? The best we can hope for, sadly, is the lesser of two tormentors.

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Posted by: Gaubladt on Dec 10, 2007 10:35 AM   
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The Republicans knew from the beginning that torture was not a reliable method of information retrieval. All it's good for is extacting confessions. So, that begs the question: Why did they do it?
The reason is simple enough; it's something that they could do that no liberal would do. It was a way to distinguish them in the eyes of the electorate from their real enemies: the Democrats in Congress. They could get up and say "We don't torture!".. wink... wink... wink....And the public would nod and think to themselves that torture was a wonderful sacrifice those brave republican heroes were making for the benefit of the fatherland. The Democrats smelled a trap. Naturally they were loath to fall into it.
It's curious to me that this comes up now, when Pelosi just happens to be in Cheney's cross hairs. If she lost ther seat, I could see someone entrenched in the Military Industrial Complex, like Murtha, taking her place.

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» So what makes you think... Posted by: Old Me
"...the difference between syphilis and gonorrhea."
Posted by: James W. Harris on Dec 10, 2007 12:19 PM   
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Rita Mae Brown had it so right long ago when she said the difference between Democrats and Republicans "is the difference between syphilis and gonorrhea."

Anti-war, pro-civil liberties Americans of both left and right, as well as libertarians, should get together and work on these issues. We must work together to stop the war, the torture, the gutting of our freedoms that is going on right now.

Speak out now for anti-war, anti-torture, anti-police state candidates of any party. While you still can.

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Beware of false equivalence
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Dec 10, 2007 12:45 PM   
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I just want to call a couple of things to the attention of posters on this thread.

All we "know" at this time is that one Democrat protested torture of the "worst of the worst."

There is an extreme difference between a couple of instances of torture of people who might have actually had "ticking bomb" information and the wholesale pro torture policy instituted by this fascist regime. Remember Abu Gaharib?

This post is not about justifying the torture of a very few individuals - it is about differentiating between that and the "kid gloves are off" policy actually implemented by the Bushies where torture became routine - apparently pretty much for the hell of it.

Before I make blanket condemnations of the Dems, I would like to know if Hamdan actually was a "treasure trove of information" as has been widely reported. I would like to know if they had the faintest idea that torture was now routine. I would like to know what constraints they were actually under. Revealing what was going on could well have led to a treason trial, given the atmosphere at the time - with classified info presented as to how effective the torture actually was presented behind closed doors.

Whether torture works is very much an open question - even given that it is an article of faith among many that it does not.

Whether it is an acceptable practice is a settled question. It is illegal - period.

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Don't Blame the Democrats
Posted by: tommy1957 on Dec 10, 2007 12:59 PM   
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Why are people so quick to blame others for the laws broken by the Bush administration? Unless you truly understand the workings of the congress and the relationship to receiving classified information, you should shut up. If these people spoke up, it might have stop the torture, however, the individual would have been sanctioned and not allowed any further access to classified information. Put the blame where it belongs on the backs of the neo-cons and the corrupt supreme court judges who have consistently allowed the deterioration of our civil rights. Get rid of the republicans and the democrats will restore law and order. Signing off as a loyal Democrat

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» RE: Don't Blame the Democrats Posted by: Basenjis
Let's Take A Breath Here
Posted by: Sissy on Dec 11, 2007 4:21 AM   
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Before we get bent out of shape over this, we need to step back and take a look at the time this all happened. Very shortly after 9/11 this country found itself perilized, perilized with fear for our country, the unknown and with support for whatever this Administration did or said. To even breath an argument was tatamount to treason and if you remember no one and I mean the Congress, the press, the pundits looked into one single thing Bush and Cheney did. They played on that fear, they played on it during the election cycle of 2002, 2004 and it wasn't until 2006 that people had finally come out of their fog. The people came out of it faster than Congress did. In fact the Republicans are still trying to play the fear card afer all these years, after the thousands and thousands of lives lost, after one country has totally been destroyed and one country going bankrupt supporting it.

I don't like to think that any American would be for this torture, especially my democratic leaders, but we have to take comfort that hopefully now that its been brought to a head, it will be the democrats who will lead us out of this morass. Gads I hope so.

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» RE: Let's Take A Breath Here Posted by: blondesprite
Citizen
Posted by: auromar on Dec 11, 2007 12:13 PM   
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Please do not blame the Democrats. The are still
shell shocked. Stop talking to them about water boarding or for that matter about illegal war. Guys give them a break. So if you are looking for somebody to cast your vote in the next election perhaps you could write-in Cong. Dennis Kucinich.

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