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Giuliani’s Most Absurd Gaffe

Posted by Steve Benen, The Carpetbagger Report at 1:04 PM on November 23, 2007.


Steve Benen: What possible motivation could Giuliani have to make himself sound like a raving idiot?
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This post, written by Steve Benen, originally appeared on The Carpetbagger Report

When a presidential candidate misspeaks and commits a dreaded "gaffe," it's embarrassing. When a candidate commits a gaffe that feeds into existing concerns, it tends to have a far greater impact.

So, in 1992, when Bill Clinton said he "didn't inhale," it reinforced the narrative that he liked to try and have things both ways -- in this case, he tried to try marijuana, but couldn't. When John Kerry accurately described his votes on an appropriations bill, saying he voted for it before he voted against it, it reinforced the largely-bogus notion that he was inconsistent on his policy positions.

With that in mind, I wonder if Rudy Giuliani's comments to the Weekly Standard might help underscore what a ridiculous candidate he is.

A liberal who had penned columns in his college paper extolling John Kennedy's virtues, Giuliani opposed the Vietnam war and voted for George McGovern in the 1972 presidential election. "I had traditionally been a Democrat," Giuliani told me in a recent interview in Las Vegas. "It was almost like a reflex mode. I actually remember saying to myself, 'If I was a person really deciding who should be president right now, I'd probably vote for Nixon, because I think the country would be safer with Nixon.' My concern was the Soviets, foreign policy, strong military."

Whatever his concern, it was not enough to make Giuliani pull the lever for a Republican.

Now, by any reasonable measure, Giuliani sounds ridiculous. Giuliani could have said, "Yes, I was a liberal Democrat in 1972, but soon after saw the error of my ways. Like Ronald Reagan, I made the transition from Democrat to Republican and I'm glad I did." That would have been a perfectly satisfactory answer, and very few voters would lift an eyebrow over how a candidate voted in an election 35 years ago.

But Giuliani chose a very different direction. He told the Weekly Standard that he voted for McGovern but he really thought Nixon was the better candidate. He knew Nixon would keep the nation "safer," but he voted for McGovern anyway. Giuliani was in "reflex mode," whatever the hell that means.

This is both amusing and pathetic at the same time.

Greg Sargent added an important contextual note:

Does this mean that Rudy didn't vote for the candidate who he himself thought would keep the country safer? Seems a bit odd. Foreign policy and national security issues were kind of front and center during that campaign.

Quite right. In 1972, the war in Vietnam was still a disaster, and McGovern ran on a "platform that advocated withdrawal from the Vietnam War in exchange for the return of American prisoners of war and amnesty for draft evaders who had left the country."

Giuliani heard this and supported McGovern -- but wants the conservative Weekly Standard to know 35 years later than he knew, even then, that he was supporting the candidate that was weak on national security.

What possible motivation could Giuliani have to make himself sound like a raving idiot? It's about some absurd notion of consistency -- for whatever reason, he doesn't want to say he made the transition from liberal to conservative; he wants to be able to say he was conservative all along. As a result, Giuliani feels like has to say he voted for McGovern, but he knew at the time he was making the wrong choice.

In effect, he's saying, "In order to prove my conservative bona fides, I'm willing to admit that I intentionally voted for the weaker candidate during a war. See how consistent I am?"

In recent months, a growing number of Americans have come to realize that Giuliani has no real center, and will say and do anything to get elected. It's exactly why this gaffe may be the worst of the campaign thus far.

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Tagged as: nixon, election08, national security, giuliani, mcgovern, election72

Steve Benen is a freelance writer/researcher and creator of The Carpetbagger Report. In addition, he is the lead editor of Salon.com's Blog Report, and has been a contributor to Talking Points Memo, Washington Monthly, Crooks & Liars, The American Prospect, and the Guardian.


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Posted by: Bbear41 on Nov 23, 2007 4:06 PM   
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...That RG will be made (I didn't say 'elected')
president in '08. I don't think I can afford to leave the US but I wish I could

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The Truth Will Out
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Nov 23, 2007 5:24 PM   
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If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

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Mishanti
Posted by: Misha2 on Nov 24, 2007 3:38 AM   
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This man is ridiculous. I do hope that more people are exposed to his views and see the truly horrid person he is. Yes, he has no center.

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"will say and do anything to get elected"
Posted by: xvictor on Nov 24, 2007 4:40 AM   
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this mixed up guy wants voters to know he can be a liberal and a rightwing conservative at the same time. he claims to be a pro choice, yet if elected, he says he will appoint anti choice judges.

church attendance is necessary to publicly demonstrate his belief in "god" to evangelicals. Rudy had never publicly attended church, yet he boasts his faith whenever the opportunity pops up.

while running for the new york senate, the NY conservative party refused to back him because he was pro choice. he was told he's a liberal or a conservative, but you can't be both.

as more conservatives and liberals get to know him, the less they like him. that's evident with other repubby candidates recently surging in the polls.

Not long ago, it was felt rudy had a lock on the nomination. now it looks like it's a horse race with all the horses nosing in on rudy.

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Oh, Please....
Posted by: Dadster3 on Nov 24, 2007 6:50 AM   
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Is this really the best criticism you can come up with?

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Fixin' Like Nixon
Posted by: QQOblivion on Nov 24, 2007 7:06 AM   
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Forget that Giuliani was conflicted in the voting booth. What is amazing about Giuliani's comments is that he said that he thought that Nixon would have been a good president!
See, Giuliani is consistent after all. Nixon, Bush, Giuliani. The fascist swine deserve each other.

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Hhhmmmm
Posted by: Schroeder on Nov 24, 2007 8:43 AM   
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Steve Benen: "What possible motivation could Giuliani have to make himself sound like a raving idiot?"

Methinks he just can't help it, he is one???

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JOHN L.
Posted by: JOHN L. on Nov 24, 2007 10:10 AM   
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Beyond the dangerous and absurdity of these reactionary fear-mongers running for 'president'...Vietnam was NEVER a threat to this country, yet both 'parties' continue this incredible crap: Granada...Haiti...Iraq...Iran, etc, what both really fear is an aware, educated public who are/become knowledgable of real history and informed of the true policies and aims of their neofascist leaders, will finally dismiss the crumbs sometimes offered, and take over their own lives.

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Is it me
Posted by: willymack on Nov 24, 2007 2:24 PM   
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Or does the appearance of Giuliani as a bumbling dolt seem to be CONTRIVED for some reason? Could he be a counterpoint to an as- not- yet- announced "rescuer" of the GOP? For that matter, it seems the whole lineup of rethug presidential hopefuls are nothing more than pahetic bufoons who would ordinarily be dismissed by anyone with the ability to reason.

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Giuliani = Allergic to Truth
Posted by: Quannah on Nov 25, 2007 11:12 AM   
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Talk about pathetic! He's incapable of telling the truth - even to win an election! People can smell the deceit with him. He will never win the presidency. (Not to say he won't be "appointed")

I find it ironic that the frontrunner of the Repubs is more of a waffling flip-flopper than Kerry supposedly was (and so are Romney and McCain) - but somehow, that's alright!

Hypocrisy reigns supreme with the Elephants yet again! God, I hope the people in this country aren't insane enough to put any of these dolts with an (R) behind their names into the Presidency again! I'm shopping for a new country now, just in case.

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