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Dallas Billboard Implies Link Between Sagging Pants and Homosexuality

Posted by Pam Spaulding at 8:16 AM on October 28, 2007.


Pam Spaulding: These "tough guys" trying to emulate gangstas in lockup, aren't going to like that message one iota.
Sagging Pants Linked to Gay Culture

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This post, written by Pam Spaulding, originally appeared on Pam's House Blend

Dan L. has a diary up about a dress code in some Dekalb, IL bars that bans "baggy clothing" -- referring to the still-popular style (god knows why) of wearing saggy pants, ostensibly to reduce the number of young urban men (i.e. of color) coming in. Dan asks whether this policy is racist or not.

This "style dragnet," which at one bar also includes "hoodies, do-rags, hats and caps, all baggy clothes, jerseys, large chains, basketball shorts, sleeveless shirts, "bling" and warm-up pants," is going to sweep up white suburban hip-hop star wannabes as well, so I think that while this is partially about race, it's also about class and culture as well. These bars are looking to filter out a certain kind of clientele -- and members of hip hop culture are on that list.

I guess you can add homos to that list as well, at least if you are in the city of Dallas, which is running a campaign to shame young men into pulling their pants up lest they be tagged as gay. (NPR):

The campaign has a signature song, "Pull Your Pants Up," by Dooney Da' Priest, that links so-called saggin' with being gay. After the BPP blogged NPR's original report on the public service announcement, listeners objected to lyrics they consider homophobic.

...An accompanying billboard says it's rude to be "walking around showin' your behind to other dudes." The song's refrain is "Be a real man -- pull your pants up."

In an interview with a local television station, Dooney explained that saggin' comes from jail, where he argued that showing your boxers has a very particular meaning. "You're letting another man know that you're available," Dooney said.

I find this amusing in some respect, because I'm sure the vast majority of these "tough guys" trying to emulate gangstas in lockup, walking around with their asses out, aren't going to like that message one iota.

Certainly, with the level of homophobia spewed by some in hip-hop culture -- Dooney Da' Priest and the city of Dallas are banking that this is the one tactic that may actually scare these guys out of their low-riding pants pronto -- because there's nothing worse than being mistaken that you are telegraphing a desire to engage in sex with men.

Will this tactic work, given the failure of dress codes, ordinances and all sorts of other methods to get rid of the saggy look?

A news report on it is to your right.

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Tagged as: youth, hip hop, homosexuality, homophobia, sagging pants

Pam Spaulding blogs at Pam's House Blend.


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Posted by: hurricane hugo on Oct 28, 2007 12:40 PM   
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On the origins of baggy pants...
Posted by: hiryuu75 on Oct 28, 2007 1:35 PM   
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Being a poor white kid from rural America, at one point in college I asked a non-white friend (with whom I frequently found myself in some very frank and enlightening conversations about race) to explain to me the purpose and/or origins of the mode of dress I saw in those either from or attempting to emulate an urban culture. (This would have been back in the mid-90s, for those wondering at the timing.)

He explained that the oversized and long shirts (frequently hoodies, though not always) became popular among those looking for an easy way to shoplift. The sagging pants came from an attempt to illustrate toughness by emulating those men in prison, whose belts had been taken from them. In his description, the first men to dress in such a way on the street were trying to demonstrate to others that they had been to prison, and were not men with whom to trifle. Others began to dress similarly, to give off a tough-guy demeanor, and it's been popularized and diluted from there.

This is, of course, all hearsay from over ten years ago, from a non-authority, and repeated by a middle-class urban professional white male. Take it as you will. :)

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Not Exactly New
Posted by: LJAllen on Oct 28, 2007 4:59 PM   
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Exposing one's shorts by lowering the pants comes from prison where a male prisoner did so to show that his you-know-what was available for you-know-what.

Well, all I can say is that Dallas might think it is saying something novel. But I'm an oldster here (over 40), and most folks my age have known for several decades where this baggy-pants-hanging-off-the-behind look came from.

It might be news to put this on a billboard. But this information has been out there since at least the seventies, folks.

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» RE: Not Exactly New Posted by: Nebris
» RE: Not Exactly New Posted by: Fade
push-me-pull-you issue
Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Oct 29, 2007 3:25 AM   
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like long hair in the 60's there seems to always be 'fashion' issues that polarize generations. back then men were looked down on, jobs were not made available to those who wore their hair long, a discrimination that was prevelant at the time. nothing new here. if ya wanna look like a clown, a dope, wear bad fashion difficult to even walk comfortably in (whatever your point of view), if you wanna look tough, or 'hood', fine. that you WILL be discriminated against should be taken as a given, right or wrong.

the other half: i doubt any of these men/boys wear these uncomfortable 'costumes' at work. i can't imagine a construction worker with his pants barely hanging on to his ass would last long on the job. it's all about peer pressure, reasonableness and maturity.

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» RE: push-me-pull-you issue Posted by: Monmon
» you're probably right Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
The fad was dead until these morons finally noticed it and started bitching
Posted by: xbj on Oct 29, 2007 4:10 AM   
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Tight hip hugging jeans have been in for almost two years now. Just because the clueless portion of yesterday's youth were continuing with the fad into their late 20's way past its sell-by date, these intellectual giants had to go making a fuss and thereby resurrecting it?

Brilliant. What's next, an ordinance against shoulder carried boom boxes?

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Kris Kross Confusion
Posted by: Markson on Oct 29, 2007 5:42 AM   
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I must've been one seriously confused young boy when I rocked sagging pants backwards for a few days. What was that? Transgendered?

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Low riders denoted prison punk
Posted by: mystere2 on Oct 29, 2007 7:22 AM   
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A friend who had done time was amazed to see saggy pants first hit the streets a few years back. He noted how clever it was of the true thugs to have young guys already conditioned to advertise they were available punks, or substitute females in prison.
An inmate who was "turned out" had forfeited the right to ever say no inside. He was forbidden by other cons from not having his pants sag to show he was available to whomever wished to pull them down and do whatever .
Now fresh fish in jail arrive looking punk.
Way to go thug gansta punks! spread 'em!

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Well that's a whole new slant.
Posted by: PJAW on Oct 29, 2007 4:24 PM   
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Here all this time I've been standing up for these kids with their saggy pants fashion. I always thought they had to be some of our finest, law abiding citizens. I mean, how you gonna flee the scene of a crime, or dash down the street with a stolen TV if you got your pants down around your knees. Now it turns out their manhood is in question? Who would have thought?

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