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Sweet Jesus Elisabeth Hasselbeck Is a Moron

Posted by Jill Filipovic at 5:40 AM on October 9, 2007.


Jill Filipovic: A discussion of Hillary's "baby bond" proposal on "The View" brings some of Hasselbeck's disturbing views on abortion to light.
The View on Abortion/Whoopi/Hasselbeck

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This post, written by Jill Filipovic, originally appeared on Feministe

The run-down if you don't want to watch the stupidity first-hand: The women of The View are discussing Hillary Clinton's proposal to give every child born in the United States a $5,000 bond. Elisabeth dislikes this idea, but she sees one upside: "This would maybe cause less abortions in the world."

The rest of The View cast realizes that this is kind of inane, since $5,000 doesn't off-set the cost of pregnancy, childbirth, and raising a kid for (at least) 18 years, plus bribing someone into childbirth just seems like a bad idea. Whoopi Goldberg responds by asking Elisabeth if she's ever been in the position where she had to consider having an abortion; Elisabeth says no. Whoopi then launches into an explanation of why abortion rights are crucial, and emphasizes that most women really struggle with the decision and don't take it lightly. Then Babs chimes in, pointing out that there was a myth that women would have babies to collect more welfare dollars, and that, in fact, women were not having children for the extra $20 a month. Joy says that it's impossible raise a child on $5,000.

Elisabeth counters with, "You also cannot ignore the fact that there are abortions done for superficial reasons and for reasons that are not extreme." How can we not ignore this fact? Well, because as Elisabeth says, "It's my personal feeling."

It's basically the same as "The only acceptable abortion is my abortion" meme that goes around a lot in both anti-choice and moderately pro-choice circles. Anti-choicers rely on the stereotype of the woman who is too lazy to use birth control and too selfish to give birth to prop up their political position. Elisabeth is ok with abortion, provided that the woman in question fits her definition of "in need." Of course, the description of the woman deserving of an abortion shifts depending on who you're talking to, and when you add actual people with complicated lives into the mix things get very messy very quickly. If I got pregnant tomorrow, would I "deserve" the right to terminate my pregnancy? After all, I'm a student living on loans, deeply in debt, in a foreign country, graduating law school in eight months and then studying for and taking the bar exam, and moving back into a fifth-floor walk-up apartment in Manhattan with two room mates come January. But then, I come from a middle-class family and I have parents who would help me and I could always do the adoption thing -- and giving birth right before the bar isn't that much of a hassle, right?

So I suspect I'd pretty much be the picture of the woman having an abortion for "superficial" reasons. And the "my reasons for abortion are way more justified than your reasons" game is a losing one.

Right along with the "women have abortions because they are selfish and superficial" schtick is the "but women use abortions for birth control" line. It shows up in the comments at Jezebel about halfway down the page. And it's kind of a funny argument -- I mean, if a woman isn't having an abortion to control whether or not she gives birth, why is she having one? Abortion is a form of controlling the number, timing and spacing of your births -- in other words, birth control.

What the "abortion shouldn't be birth control" crowd actually means is the exact same thing as Hasselbeck -- that women are having abortions for reasons they disapprove of. Take this comment:

I dont agree with everything Hasselbeck says but i understood what she was saying when she said it. I got angry when Whoopi said, its the worst thing a woman could go through. You think women want to have abortions?

Off the top of my head I can count 7 people I know who had abortions basically as a means of birth control.

3 girls in high school had about 3 abortions each. Their boyfriends were my good friends and i know they did because they drove their dumbass girlfriends to the clinic every time. I begged them to just try a condom. Or birth control and it never seem to get into their heads.

One girl in college had 2 in one year. Because she was 1.) broken up with her boyfriend and it was his but she wanted to date other guys and not want to be a freshman with a baby and 2.) because she just started dating a football player and she really liked him and didnt want to lose him because of them. I was her suitemate in college and I ripped her a new one when she told me. I told her to wrap it up and deal with it. and that she was a retarded assclown who shouldnt be allowed to have sex without proper testing.

Wow, what a friend. Your college suitemate tells you she's pregnant and she doesn't want to have a baby because she's no longer partnered with the man who got her pregnant, she's a freshman in college, and she's not ready to be a mom. You "rip her a new one" and impart upon her that she is a "retarded assclown."

The bad roommate got knocked up because her and her "friend with benefits" werent careful and she didnt want because he was, get this, UGLY. he was a good lay but ugly. She didnt want to be tied to him so she had an abortion. She didnt want the responsibilty and she really couldnt handle it because she could barely take care of herself. Once again I went through the roof. I did take her to the abortion clinic and I sat there and waited all day.

Again, the problem seems to be that the room mate got pregnant in a situation that the commenter disapproved of. I would say not wanting to be tied to someone you never had a real relationship with and recognizing that you are incapable of taking care of yourself, let alone a child, is a pretty good reason not to have a child. But not in the anti-choice world, where people who feel they are the least qualified and the least ready to have children should be the first forced into childbirth.

Its a sobering thing to go to a clinic you strongly oppose. I saw teenage girls who begged their mothers to let them keep it, I saw one woman who said outloud she couldnt keep it because then her husband would know she was having an affair.

Like i said, i dont always agree with Hasselbeck. I can understand why some have abortions. Rape and incest among other factors I absolutely understand. But we also have some fucking morons who go and do this. Makes me sad.

People do lots of things for reasons I dislike. For example, I think it's a bad idea to purposely get pregnant in order to save a failing marriage, or because you just want something to love. But you know, life is complicated,and while on their face those sound to me like really bad reasons, to the women living those scenarios they are valid and they are reflective of a context larger than a one-sentence description. The definition of "superficial" is pretty flexible, and when we start playing Vagina Police we get into some nasty territory.

Plus, who gets to regulate what's valid and what's not? Is Elisabeth going to run an abortion-approval company where she has to stamp your abortion-card before a doctor will see you?

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Tagged as: abortion, the view, television, hillary clinton, hasselbeck, whoopi goldberg

Jill Filipovic is a New York-based freelance writer and a law student at NYU. More of her writing is available online at her blog, Feministe.


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Birth control information is widely available
Posted by: Frankstank on Oct 9, 2007 6:51 AM   
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While everyone jumps on this woman, she is making a very good point: getting pregnant is in the hands of most women. Knowing about birth control is easy to find out, and like learning how to save money and work hard and be well-groomed, these are all character issues. People used to be better at it a few decades ago, and now some are not. But let's not throw more money at it and instead address the character issue.

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» Less available under Bush Posted by: brunowe
Welcome To Red America
Posted by: NoPCZone on Oct 9, 2007 7:18 AM   
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Wonder what that 1/4 of the poll population that support Bush are like? Now you know.

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Abortion and economics
Posted by: peacelf on Oct 9, 2007 7:32 AM   
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As much as I cringe everytime the privileged, elitest, white-bred princess Elizabeth speaks on The View (which I don't watch anymore since Rosie left), I think she is making a legitimate point, whether she knows it or not. The choice for an abortion is closely tied to economics.

As Dennis Kucinich has said in his campaign about his stance change on women's right to choose (he used to be anti-abortion), if the U.S. had the social programs like Universal healthcare, subsidized day care and a living wage for workers, the number of abortions would decline drastically, because women would not have to worry about the costs of raising a child.

This, of course, doesn't include the middle and upper class women who have abortions for reasons of vanity or "it's not the right time"-- as some of my middle and upper middle class female friends have pointed out. Nonetheless, abortion rights are necessary, because of the reasons Whoppie Goldberg pointed out.

Being pro-choice doesn't mean one has to celebrate the act of having an abortion--which I'm sure most women who are forced into that choice do not celebrate--but it can mean that we must remove all the social and economic conditions that make abortion seem like a better choice or the only choice.

peace

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MISSING THE POINT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 9, 2007 8:24 AM   
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This is not about abortion. It is not for child rearing expenses. I've been suggesting this for years. $5000 to each child born, not the parents. Calculate and compound the interest for 15-20 years. It's a healthy chunk of money. Stipulation: only for education or purchase of a home. Anything not spent for that purpose during a lifetime goes back into the fund for disbursement to other children. No exceptions. Tax free. Do the math, it's a great idea. Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: MISSING THE POINT Posted by: gregii
» RE: MISSING THE POINT Posted by: particle
» It's called a Roth IRA. Posted by: ABetterFuture
Hasselbeck's raison d'etre & the goofy bond
Posted by: DaBear on Oct 9, 2007 9:27 AM   
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Not that my own two kids wouldn't mind a bond like that for when they get older--under the current fiscal regime they have nothing now and will have nothing in the future, kinda like their working class parents who scrape and scrimp just to have shelter and eat. (I'm online at the library now because we lost our ability to pay for internet access). But the bond notion is typical of the aristocracy: don't posit the real solution (transforming the economy into a system that might actually work for everyone at the expense of a few thousand folks in the nation having to deal with not being so god damned wealthy anymore--ooo how obscene to not have multi-billionaires--and having single-payer universal healthcare for every person so if you're offended by abortions, don't fucking have them and STFU already) and offer a one-time handout like a $5K bond. Quick! Throw money at the poor, maybe they won't toss your furniture out on the lawn and burn down your barns. Assinine rich person advice.

I think the princess is only on the show because her sttopidity is what gets ratings. No one would watch the View if she wasn't there peppering everything with her inanity. But then we wouldn't have any fun pestering her... and THEN where would we be?

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Am I missing something?
Posted by: goeswithness on Oct 9, 2007 10:02 AM   
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The quote from "whoever" is attacking her roommates seems to be unattributed. I agree with your thoughts on it, but we should get at least a clue as to the context of it.

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and every once in awhile it fails
Posted by: loril on Oct 9, 2007 10:15 AM   
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I have always found birth control easy to use and remember and, thank God, I was young before the recent insanity set in. I don't remember pharmacists being allowed to deny women birth control prescriptions based on their whim back in the 80s and we actually heard about sex back then...instead of having abstinence only classes and "purity balls".

However, birth control, even used correctly, can fail. I know of two cases, just among my own circle of acquaintances, where a married woman was using the pill and got pregnant anyway. Neither had abortions. However, what, exactly did they do "wrong"?

They were both legally married and having sex with their husbands, rather than drunken one-night stands. Both used birth control. Both ended up pregnant with extremely difficult results. One of the women already had two kids and they really were struggling financially and could not afford another child. The other woman was married to a man who categorically did not want children. When it turned out her "birth control baby" was actually TWINS...he divorced her. Her choice was "abort the babies or I leave". She kept the babies and let this loser walk.

So, yeah...I would really not want to sit in judgment based on these situations. And I am sure there are thousands of other stories out there that I would also not want to judge.

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Wouldn't it be cheaper to flood the country with free morning-after pills?
Posted by: eddie torres on Oct 9, 2007 10:44 AM   
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Air dropped from US Air Force B52H bombers on their way to secretly deliver nuclear-tipped cruise missles to a Middle East staging area. Someone could paint "Hasselbeck Express" on the fuselage...

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Since when is
Posted by: bettyn on Oct 9, 2007 1:08 PM   
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this NEWS to ANYONE?

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I agree with Elizabeth...
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Oct 9, 2007 3:39 PM   
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...before the abortion tangent.

I don't want my taxes subsidizing your kids, or paying some soccer mom to reproduce. If anything, it should be need-based, for poor kids with no parents, or something like that.

Hillary seems to be spewing out all these harebrained money giveaways lately. I guess she figures she can use our taxes to help buy her the presidency.

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Having an abortion...
Posted by: RHad on Oct 9, 2007 10:26 PM   
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...is not feminism.

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» RE: Having an abortion... Posted by: realmuzik
Nitpickin'
Posted by: YogiBear on Oct 10, 2007 8:43 PM   
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It's actually "rundown" and "firsthand," I believe. Hyphens tend to come into play only when you're referencing something else: "run-down apartment," "first-hand look":, that kind of thing.

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» RE: Nitpickin' Posted by: Bibsi