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McCain Was For Religious Discrimination Before He Was Against It

Posted by Melissa McEwan at 2:18 PM on October 1, 2007.


Melissa McEwan: John McCain has trouble determining what religion he is and what religion he thinks the president should be.
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This post, written by Melissa McEwan, originally appeared on Shakesville

So, that BeliefNet article in which McCain said he believes that "the Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation" had another great bit that Steve Benen teased out in which McCain also noted he wouldn't want a Muslim president.

"I admire the Islam. There's a lot of good principles in it," he said. "But I just have to say in all candor that since this nation was founded primarily on Christian principles, personally, I prefer someone who I know who has a solid grounding in my faith."

Do you think he learned about "the Islam" on the internets using the Google?

I'd like to point out that McCain's statement also suggests he would not be comfortable with a Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, pagan, or atheist president, either. And I'd further like to point out that, Christianity itself being so vastly diverse, some Christian denominations have more in common with fundamentalist Islam than they do with Baptists (or whatever denomination he's claiming to be this week), and some have more in common with pagans. This comment doesn't even make sense just given the enormous breadth of Christian beliefs, no less the Constitutional prohibition on religious litmus tests.

Anyway, in an attempt to pull his foot out of his mouth and his head out of his ass, McCain later tried to clarify his remarks:

Apparently, McCain later realized he'd made a mistake, because the transcript of the interview added, "McCain contacted Beliefnet after the interview to clarify his remarks: 'I would vote for a Muslim if he or she was the candidate best able to lead the country and defend our political values.'"

In other words, McCain was for discrimination before he was against it.

Right.

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Tagged as: religion, christians, election08, mccain, muslims

Melissa McEwan writes and edits the blog Shakespeare's Sister.


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Ignorance
Posted by: Robba29 on Oct 1, 2007 3:17 PM   
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What pisses me off more than anything else on this is that he stated in the interview that the constitution created this country as a christian nation. WTF? Last time I checked there was NOTHING of the sort, hell not even in the Declaration of Indepedence. In fact both say something about the establishment of the government for the people. The references in religion in the constituion is that no elected official has to pass a religious test and that whole First Amendment thing. Is any media source going to call him out on this blatant ignorance of the foundations of our government? Nope. So, great, ignornance is spread.

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And...
Posted by: Leman on Oct 2, 2007 5:54 AM   
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And a certain Democrat was once a Republican. Now what?

People learn, people change, people (hopefully) improve - or at least adapt. Senator Clinton used to be Republican, Senator Dole used to be Democrat and Senator McCain used to think this country was for Christians.

Big deal...

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religious neutrality/religious freedom
Posted by: vasumurti on Oct 2, 2007 7:05 AM   
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Pat Robertson once said, "We want a secular constitution, we want to make sure religious minorities are protected." But he wasn't talking about the U.S.--he was talking about Afghanistan... where Christians are a minority!

Consider the problem of school prayer:

Gary B. Christenot, an evangelical Christian, writes about the Hawaiian island of Wahiawa, where Christians are a minority: "Rather than a church on every corner...Wahiawa had a Shinto or Buddhist shrine on every corner."

Prayers before a high school football game were led by "a Buddhist priest who proceeded to offer up prayers and intonations to godhead figures that our tradition held to be pagan."

He concludes: "I would say in love to my Christian brothers and sisters: Before you yearn for the imposition of prayer...in your public schools, you might consider attending a football game at Wahiawa High School.

"Because unless you're ready to endure the unwilling exposure of yourself and your children to those beliefs and practices that your own faith forswears, you have no right to insist that others sit in silence and complicity while you do the same to them.

"I, for one, sleep better at night knowing that because Judeo-Christian prayers are not being offered at my children's schools, I don't have to worry about them being confronted with Buddhist, Shinto, Wiccan, Satanic or any other prayer ritual I might find offensive."

A Roman Catholic priest, Rev. David K. O’Rourke, similarly says: “Every religious group in the United States is a minority group. Some may be unhappy with this status and wish they had official standing. I am not unhappy with it. The Catholic Church, the largest of these minorities, has prospered greatly in this country where we separate church and state.”

According to journalist Rob Boston:

“We have a vibrant, multifaith religious society that, with the exception of a few fundamentalist Muslim states, is admired all over the globe. We have a degree of interfaith harmony unmatched in the world. Our government is legally secular, but our culture accommodates and welcomes a variety of religious voices. New faiths take root here without fear...

“Americans remain greatly interested in religion and things spiritual—unlike their counterparts in Western Europe, where religion is often state subsidized but of little interest to most people....

"Children are no longer forced to pray in school or read from religious texts against their will, yet they are free to engage in truly voluntary religious worship whenever they feel the need.

"The important task of imparting religious and philosophical training to youngsters is left where it always belonged—with each child’s parents or guardians...

"Some European nations have passed so-called anticult laws aimed at curbing the rights of unpopular new religions. Such laws would not be acceptable in the United States or permitted under the First Amendment.

“In a multifaith society such as the United States,” observes Boston, “a type of religious marketplace does exist. Religious groups that aggressively seek converts, such as the Mormons and the Jehovah’s Witnesses, are well aware that people in the United States are able and even willing to change their religious beliefs. To these groups, it’s well worth it to enter the marketplace and advertise their goods. Lots of people might buy them...

“Because the U.S. government is secular, religious groups are left to contend for members based solely on their own initiative. They create a free marketplace of religion that spurs competition and a vigorous religious life. This explains why the United States, which maintains church-state separation, retains a high degree of religiosity among its people."

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thekidde
Posted by: thekidde on Oct 2, 2007 7:15 AM   
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America was not founded as a Christian nation - get over it. If you want a theocracy, move to the middle east and see what wonderful "civilizations" are founded on a religion. Muslims kill each other over their fundamentalist crap - which descendant of Muhammed is the true whatever. Throughout history, Christians of one sect or another, have killed each other, mostly for greed and power, e.g. Catholics and the murder of Cathars in France. Religious belief is a fundamental flaw of humanity - psychobabble b.s. geared to power and control over the masses. When humans learn that "doing the right thing" is just "right" instead of directed by a vengeful, supernatural wing-nut, humanity will finally be able to get on gettin' on with each other without killing each other over whose "god" is best.

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What constitution?
Posted by: Tombo on Oct 2, 2007 9:12 AM   
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Just one more example that the constitution and everything else that this country is supposed to be about doesn't matter to these people, winning does (whatever that means). Their convoluted reasoning bewilders me to no end.

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McCain and Religion
Posted by: StPeteRican on Oct 2, 2007 10:27 AM   
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You mean to say that his ass is different from his face?

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» RE: McCain and Religion Posted by: blitzmesser
NO WONDER THEY DON'T TELL US ANYTHING
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 2, 2007 3:41 PM   
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Everything goes under the microscope for scrutiny. McCain is probably history but is there anything that we can say about anything? No wonder the debates are a waste of time. I'd give him a pass on this one. There was no "correct" answer to this loaded question. Thanks, ANNA

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Old turd
Posted by: blitzmesser on Oct 3, 2007 1:19 AM   
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What an old hyprocritical turd this guy is.

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Can't stand this old hyprocrite...
Posted by: blitzmesser on Oct 3, 2007 1:27 AM   
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"I'd like to point out that McCain's statement also suggests he would not be comfortable with a Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, pagan, or atheist president, either."
Comfortabel?
He will be uncomfortable soon in a coffin. What a joke this retarded guy is. Why is anyone writing about this has been mental case? Who cares what he thinks. Has he done anything to deserve being rewarded with human concern except having gotten old?

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I admire the Islam
Posted by: blitzmesser on Oct 3, 2007 1:36 AM   
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meaning what?
""I admire the Islam. There's a lot of good principles in it," he said. "But I just have to say in all candor that since this nation was founded primarily on Christian principles, personally, I prefer someone who I know who has a solid grounding in my faith."

There is a lot of good principles in it?

Anything wrong with the grammar? Huh?

Another idiot who does not know the language, but has the "faith"?
I think this guy is afraid of dying. Once a coward, always a coward.

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