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Christian Conservatives Threaten To Back Third-Party Candidate If Giuliani Wins Nomination

Posted by Howie Klein at 5:43 AM on October 1, 2007.


Howie Klein: Religious right leaders could take the South with them, dooming any hopes Republicans have for the presidency.
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This post, written by Howie Klein, originally appeared on Down With Tyranny!

Tom Schaller gets it so very right in Whistling Past Dixie when he makes the points that a)- the GOP is rapidly declining into a regional, racist, backward southern party which will be unable to compete in national elections, and b)- that the Democrats can win the presidency without wasting a dime on the Old Confederacy. You may have noticed that yesterday Giuliani was wimpering how even though he's out of step with the traditional reactionary southern values that have come to dominate the contemporary GOP, "The reality is we need a candidate who can run in all 50 states. I can."

He may sound like Howard Dean there but he has a very good reason for pointing that up to Republicans who hate him. He says it's because he's the only one of the pathetic pygmies™ who can beat Hillary. But it goes beyond just that. You see, there was another little meeting yesterday, a very closed door one among the power-brokers who control the Hatred and Bigotry part of the Republican coalition that has paired Hatred and Bigotry with Greed and Selfishness. (Giuliani already competes well for the Greed, Selfishness and Fear-mongering contingents.)

A powerful group of conservative Christian leaders decided Saturday at a private meeting in Salt Lake City to consider supporting a third-party candidate for president if a pro-choice nominee like Rudy Giuliani wins the Republican nomination.

The meeting of about 50 leaders, including Focus on the Family's James Dobson, the Family Research Council's Tony Perkins and former presidential candidate Gary Bauer, who called in by phone, took place at the Grand America Hotel during a gathering of the Council for National Policy, a powerful shadow group of mostly religious conservatives. James Clymer, the chairman of the U.S. Constitution Party, was also present at the meeting, according to a person familiar with the proceedings.

The secretive-- even paranoid-- group of neo-fascist politicians agreed that if Giuliani wins the nomination, they'll bolt and take the South with them, dooming any already far-fetched hopes Giuliani has to win the presidency. Dobson, one of the big dogs in the group has already announced that nothing would permit him to support McCain, Giuliani or Frederick of Hollywood. He was the moving force behind the Gingrich trial baloon, which crashed to earth yesterday when Gingrich admitted that he can't run.

Both Romney and Cheney addressed the group earlier in the day. The religionist right doesn't trust Flip Flop Mitt, not just because he changes his positions the way normal people change their socks, but because they view his Mormon religion as a dangerous-- and competitive-- cult. Some left the meeting about finding someone else to run, either another Republican-- Sam Brownback and that Arkansas fella who lost all the weight must feel like shooting themselves about now-- or a third party spoiler. Looking at the Progressive Punch lists of the most reactionary senators and House members, may I suggest John Barrasso or Mike Enzi of Wyoming or, if that's digging a little too deep in the shitpile, how about Miss McConnell or John Cornyn, each facing huge disapproval ratings and possible defeat in his home state? OK, from the House we could go with any of a dozen congressmembers with perfect zeros: Patrick McHenry (if he manages to not get indicted and/or outed before the primaries, Steve King (the Ann Coulter of Congress), Virginia Foxx, Michelle Bachmann (fun at parties), Tim Wallberg. I think any of these would be the perfect representative of what is left of the Republican Party. Go for it, boys!

Oh, and one more thing. You know all that stuff up top about Rudy whining how the GOP has to be inclusive and bring everyone into the party, not just white southern bigots? He was just kidding. As this new video clip shows, he avoided Tavis Smiley's GOP debate that addressed issues important to the minority communities while he kissed up to California Hispanic's most distrusted ex-governor, Pete Wilson... and some former actress who now serves as a beard for Republican closet queens like David Dreier and Mark Foley.


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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Oct 1, 2007 6:55 AM   
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The same old line is getting spread around for them... "If you don't vote for US and instead vote for a third party candidate, then THEY will win!!!!"

Its the same strategy we have been handed time and again with third party/progressive candidates. (hey.. maybe you wouldn't have to whine about "spoilers" who weren't able to carry a single state if you had better candidates who could actually do more than tie with Bush, the most horrible candidate in recent memory).

Well, the conservatives don't have much to lose here... they are highly unlikely to win anyway... and Ghoulli isn't a conservative to begin with.

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» Uh, no.... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» the liberman doctrine? Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
An Excellent Development!
Posted by: Dadster3 on Oct 1, 2007 7:05 AM   
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Progressives in states with open primaries should postpone all other recreational activities and vote for Rudy in their Republican primary!

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The word is HUBRIS
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Oct 1, 2007 7:07 AM   
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And the economy hasn't even crashed and burned yet. Wait 'til that shoe drops. The Republicans may not even exist as a national party.

Maybe we can come out of this with an urban conservative party rather than one run by ignorant reactionary rural hicks.

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I hope they do that
Posted by: Intellect on Oct 1, 2007 7:13 AM   
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I would love to see them do that!
It would take at least 100 million of their money and possibly cause them to lose their tax deductions.

They would lose anyway and the Dems would win by an even greater margin.

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DO THEY KNOW THIS IS ABOUT GOVERNMENT NOT IDEOLOGY
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 1, 2007 7:20 AM   
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The Republicans are more concerned with bible thumping,controlling lives, and creating more poverty than they are with running a country in a way that benefits as many of us as possible. They will do anything to control and frighten us. They don't want to lose what they've had for 6 yrs. now. Health care, education, jobs and an attempt at the peace process is not part of their agenda. "Liberty and justice for all" is not their goal. Thanks, ANNA

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Lot's of heat...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Oct 1, 2007 7:25 AM   
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...very little light in this assessment. Kudos on the namecalling though: a true hallmark of only the most pious of political pom-pom shakers. Alienation is the only way forward, and arrogance uber alles!

Sigh. What an ignorant, base, smelly thing to read. I hope it was at least cathartic for the poor author.

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Right or left they're all the same
Posted by: Axiom69 on Oct 1, 2007 7:50 AM   
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The worst part of this story is that it seems like Hillary is more likely than ever to be the next President. What a choice, a left leaning righty or a right leaning leftie. UGH!!!

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Well the cite had the answer
Posted by: chaoslegs on Oct 1, 2007 8:19 AM   
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They will work with Constitution Party to support that candidate. Simplified description of the party, think Christians that believe this is a Christian nation with a good dose of Libertarian (although probably not as much on Freedom of Religion).

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SC is packed with conservative judges for the next 20-30 years
Posted by: PakiBoy on Oct 1, 2007 8:20 AM   
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Amerikan conservatives got what they have been asking for since FDR rolled over the conservative judges who were dismantling New Deal legislation.
Now the bench is again packed with conservative judges. Bush and his supporters must be wishing for Justice Kennedy's death before '08 'ill-action' so that they can put one more young conservative on the bench. I hope their wish comes through...

Roe v. Wade, Civil Rights Act, Env. Laws, Minimum Wage, Social Security, all will be history soon.

With foreign companies/nationals scooping up Amerikan companies/land 'cause the dollar is so weak, I suggest you Amerikans learn chinese/arabic/hebrew 'cause your new masters are going to be as bad as your current ones. Though it might help a bit if you could speak your master's language...LOL

Dumb amerikans will only wake up when they go through another Depression ;)

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Fucking heretics burn them alive..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Oct 1, 2007 8:22 AM   
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These ass-holes are all blasphemers and heretics of the first order and if they were any Justice in this world we could burn them for the heretics they are..

That said: I realize this might seem a bit extreme for some of you..

Let us all remember that it was Jesus of Nazareth Himself who first pronounced the separation of church and state..

"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God that which is God's..!"

So those who advocate otherwise are quite simply blasphemers and heretics, and I leave the rest to you to decide...

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Republicans
Posted by: frank69 on Oct 1, 2007 9:06 AM   
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I cannot imagine the Republicans nominating Giuliani! Have you forgotten some other Republicans who didn't get nominated: Harold Stassen (His first run), Robert Taft twice), Earl Warren, Nelson Rockerfeller, George Romney, and John McCain.

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Funny- I agree with the Religious Right
Posted by: DrSuess on Oct 1, 2007 10:16 AM   
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I also cannot stand Giuliani and I would do almost anything to stop him. My reasons are more along the line of the Alternet headline today about the police state in New York City. Giuliani seems to be the ultimate hypocritical Republican to me- strong on moral values FOR EVERYONE ELSE- and weak on his own. His stand of being stronger than Bush on terrorism and national defense is a funny characiture to me. Anyway- I am glad the Religious Right will take him out. But my reasons are very different than theirs.

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"Miss McConnell"
Posted by: SalB on Oct 1, 2007 10:44 AM   
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"Miss McConnell"

Because being a woman is degrading...

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How can we get psychiatric help for the religionists?
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 1, 2007 9:48 PM   
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I think I finally know why all those wingnuts, alias fundamentalist
christians, voted for George W. Bush. Reference book: "The
Accidental Mind" by David J. Linden, 2007 Belknap Press of
Harvard University Press. Religion is caused by the extreme
klugeyness of the "designed" by evolution brain. In particular,
the narrative creation system cannot be turned off. It generates
false narratives that are believed by the generating person in
experiments done in the laboratory. This book has the best
explanation of resistance to evolution: "There has also been an
assumption that if one accepts the idea that life developed without
divine intervention, it necessarily follows that all aspects of
religious thought must be rejected. Those who take this line of
argument to extremes argue that when religious thought is rejected
moral and social codes will degenerate and "the law of the jungle"
will be all that is left. It is imagined by religious fundamentalists
that those who do not share their particular religious faith are
incapable of leading moral lives." These suppositions are not true
in many ways. Linden later mentions that the creationists
[intelligent design advocates] are exactly 180 degrees wrong
rather than just a little wrong. Being exactly wrong, they are
unable to unlearn their error.

Reference book: "The Science of Good and Evil" by Michael
Shermer, 2004
See also: Many books under the general heading of the new
science called Sociobiology or ScioBio.
"Morality and Ethics are now in the jurisdiction of Science and
greatly improved thereby."
Morality and Ethics are instinctive. Mostly female instinct. We
owe our morality and ethics to evolution, not to religion. Those
charlatans we call clergy have usurped and co-opted female moral
instincts for the purpose of making it all the more difficult for the
weak minded to realize that they are being scammed by religion.

All George W. Bush had to do to get their votes was to claim to
believe the same religion. Since they never looked at his actions,
they had no chance of detecting his lies.

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