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Michael Medved Defends Slavery

Posted by Jillian at 1:00 PM on September 28, 2007.


Jillian: Way to go, Medved, have you considered pimping this argument out to David Duke? I bet he'd love it.
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This post, written by Jillian, originally appeared on Sadly No!

I am beginning to suspect that the greenhouse gases being released into the world by industrialized nations are having an adverse effect on the space-time continuum. There are days, based on the rhetoric I see coming from some of the loonier corners of the right wing batty brigade, that I can't tell whether it's 1932, 1919, or 1896.

See, Michael Medved wants to set us all straight about the so-called evils of American slavery.

Before we go on, I just want to stop and savor that line for a minute or two. Michael Medved. American slavery. Revisionist history.

At this point, I'm pretty much irrelevant, aren't I? You just know this is going to be chock-a-block full of gibbering insanity.

Luckily for us, he's broken his ravings down into numbered bullet-points - much like the leaflets you find stuck to telephone poles about how the head of the CIA is a mutant lizard person who performs religious/medical experiments on homeless people often are.

Those who want to discredit the United States and to deny our role as history's most powerful and pre-eminent force for freedom, goodness and human dignity invariably focus on America's bloody past as a slave-holding nation.
See what I mean? Aren't we off to a rollicking good start?
1. SLAVERY WAS AN ANCIENT AND UNIVERSAL INSTITUTION, NOT A DISTINCTIVELY AMERICAN INNOVATION. At the time of the founding of the Republic in 1776, slavery existed literally everywhere on earth and had been an accepted aspect of human history from the very beginning of organized societies. Current thinking suggests that human beings took a crucial leap toward civilization about 10,000 years ago with the submission, training and domestication of important animal species (cows, sheep, swine, goats, chickens, horses and so forth) and, at the same time, began the "domestication," bestialization and ownership of fellow human beings captured as prisoners in primitive wars. In ancient Greece, the great philosopher Aristotle described the ox as "the poor man's slave" while Xenophon likened the teaching of slaves "to the training of wild animals." Aristotle further opined that "it is clear that there are certain people who are free and certain who are slaves by nature, and it is both to their advantage, and just, for them to be slaves."
And after so opining, Aristotle then got drunk on six-week old wine and had unspeakable carnal relations with a sixteen-year old boy. For real!

Medved actually thinks an argument about how the ancient Greeks and Mesopotamians practiced slavery are worth considering. Does he know anything at all about ancient Near Eastern ethical standards? You'd think someone who's presumably read the Old Testament once or twice in his life would appreciate the progress that humans have made in applied ethics since then. By 1776, for instance, European civilizations had given up the practice of stoning disobedient children.

As sad as this particular argument is, it's actually the best of the six that Medved manages to muster: it's all downhill from here, I'm sorry to say.

2. SLAVERY EXISTED ONLY BRIEFLY, AND IN LIMITED LOCALES, IN THE HISTORY OF THE REPUBLIC - INVOLVING ONLY A TINY PERCENTAGE OF THE ANCESTORS OF TODAY'S AMERICANS.
Okay, now I'm really confused. Didn't Medved just finish saying that slavery was "universal"? How could it have been "limited" in America if it were "universal"?

Actually, this chumpwad's abuse of and ignorance about American history is making me too mad to even joke right here. Slavery was NOT limited in America AT ALL. The first American colony to legalize slavery was Massachusetts (in 1641); the first slave revolt in English colonial territory was in 1712 in New York. Slavery existed EVERYWHERE in the New World - everywhere there were people with enough money to buy other people.

And the ham fisted rhetorical trick of claiming that slavery only existed for 89 years in the United States is beyond horrid. I had a girlfriend once who had lived with a guy who beat her for eight years before she married him. They divorced after two years. If you claimed that "well, she was only married to someone who hit her for two years", you would be technically correct. You'd also be a pompous, condescending asshole of the first order by minimizing the eight years she spent with him without being married.

Slavery existed on this continent for over two hundred years before the laws supporting it were removed, and any attempt to minimize that fact is beyond execrable. Way to go, Medved - have you considered pimping this argument out to David Duke? I bet he'd love it.

Grrr.....I don't like being this angry. Let's move on and hope we get to the funny stuff soon...
3. THOUGH BRUTAL, SLAVERY WASN'T GENOCIDAL: LIVE SLAVES WERE VALUABLE BUT DEAD CAPTIVES BROUGHT NO PROFIT. Historians agree that hundreds of thousands, and probably millions of slaves perished over the course of 300 years during the rigors of the "Middle Passage" across the Atlantic Ocean.
Not funny. Very true, and very sad. Could we be having a breakthrough here? Has Michael Medved looked into his own people's history - the exodus, the Shoah - and found compassion in his heart for the sufferings of the human chattel broken on our shores?
Perhaps the most horrifying aspect of these voyages involves the fact that no slave traders wanted to see this level of deadly suffering: they benefited only from delivering (and selling) live slaves, not from tossing corpses into the ocean.
I'm sorry; what was that?
Perhaps the most horrifying aspect of these voyages involves the fact that no slave traders wanted to see this level of deadly suffering: they benefited only from delivering (and selling) live slaves, not from tossing corpses into the ocean.
I'm.....well, I'm......

You know what? I'm just going to go sit over here in the corner and pretend that I never, ever read that sentence. I much prefer the thought of living in a world where people who would honestly say that the worst thing about the slave trade was the money slave traders lost on slaves who died in transit are put into a home for the deranged and cared for compassionately until they died, far away from any access to pens or paper or the internet, not given syndicated radio shows. You guys watch this for a couple of minutes; I'll be back.



All right. Let's move on, shall we? And just forget about that earlier bit - I'm still pretending it didn't happen. Don't spoil the illusion for me.
4. IT'S NOT TRUE THAT THE U.S. BECAME A WEALTHY NATION THROUGH THE ABUSE OF SLAVE LABOR: THE MOST PROSPEROUS STATES IN THE COUNTRY WERE THOSE THAT FIRST FREED THEIR SLAVES.
Oh, fuck it. I give up. What does this even have to do with whether or not slavery is a blot on American history? Slavery would somehow have been more horrible if everyone had gotten rich off of it? So because the defense of slavery was often rooted in pure, unadulterated racism instead of economic convenience (an assessment I agree with, by the way), this makes it a better thing?
5. WHILE AMERICA DESERVES NO UNIQUE BLAME FOR THE EXISTENCE OF SLAVERY, THE UNITED STATES MERITS SPECIAL CREDIT FOR ITS RAPID ABOLITION.
Yes. And while I deserve no unique blame for inflicting this piece of tripe by Medved on you, I merit special credit for its rapid cessation.

I have to stop soon anyway, because I'm starting to feel physically ill from reading this. If you really care, you can see a brief breakdown on when various countries outlawed slavery here; I note (as I'm reaching for the milk of magnesia) that we beat out Zanzibar by about thirty years. Hooray.
6. THERE IS NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT TODAY'S AFRICAN-AMERICANS WOULD BE BETTER OFF IF THEIR ANCESTORS HAD REMAINED BEHIND IN AFRICA.
And this is the crux of it right here; the fiery, dense kernel of stupid, crapulous, filthy, racist tripe that generations of wingnuts past have applied the titanic pressures of their stupidity to in order to produce a perfect diamond of codswallop.

We did those benighted African savages a favor by enslaving them, you know. We brought them civilization, and Christianity! And shoes! And transistor radios! Just look how happy they are, walking around in their shoes with their transistor radios and praising Jesus! How can you say what we did is wrong?

What's wrong with this, of course, is that even if every single descendant from a slave alive in America today were currently rich enough to spend all of their time managing their own elephant polo team, that still doesn't make slavery right. If slavery is wrong, then it is wrong, no matter how salutary the outcome of enslavement may (or may not) be.

Medved goes on to make some blathering argument about how calls for reparation of any sort are all motivated by white liberal guilt, and since he's proven that there's no need for any of us white folks to feel guilty about anything, all those annoying uppity darker folks should just get back in the kitchen and hush up. I have to say that I am consistently amazed at the moral depravity this sort of argument shows in the person who makes it - is the only time one seeks to right a wrong when one feels a personal sense of moral guilt over the wrong? From where I'm sitting, this is actually the height of moral bankruptcy. This isn't an argument about whether some sort of reparations for slavery are right or wrong; this is simply the recognition that if reparations are a moral right, then they are a moral right whether or not you or I or Michael Medved have any reason to feel guilty over the legacy of slavery in this country.

I can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to the next set of installments in the "Inconvenient Truths by Michael Medved" series. Seeing as how he schooled us all on the "Inconvenient Truth of Genocide Against Native Americans (it never happened!)" last time, I'm betting the next one is going to set us all straight on the Inconvenient Truth About Rape (it's not so bad if you lie back and relax!), or perhaps the Inconvenient Truth About Witchtrials (those witches deserved it!).

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Jillian is a regular blogger for Sadly No!


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I'd cry, too busy laughing... great piece.
Posted by: doinaheckuvajob on Sep 28, 2007 1:57 PM   
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There seems to be a strange and convenient omission of the Magna Carta and habeas corpus in Medved's history lesson for small minds. Hmm...

Medved really does sound like he's posting his lizard accusations on a telephone pole. Movie reviewing is such hard work, apparently it can damage your sanity or make it worse if you're a wingnut.

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Slavery is still legal in the USA, according to the Constitution.
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Sep 28, 2007 2:09 PM   
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A refresher course for uneducated readers.
13th Amendment:
"Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

This is why State prisons and Federal prisons can force criminals to work and not pay the prisoners what would normally be the minimum wage. Apparently they can also force "involunatary servitude" and lease criminals to work for private companies, farms, and contractors. This is even a better deal than illegal alien labour for these companies! A totally captive labour force is every 'capitalists' dream!

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Welcome to the CSA
Posted by: Martin Mc on Sep 28, 2007 2:44 PM   
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You just don't spend enough time in the heart of the Confederacy. Down here in AL, Medved's arguments are pretty standard and can be heard on local talk radio, read in the letter section of the newspaper and taught at a (really!) historical black college (old white guy with tenure teaches history there).

The only thing missing is the claim that slavery was the best thing ever to happen to the Africans because it introduced them to Jesus.

Medved has a long history of intellectual dishonesty, you really shouldn't get so upset;>

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» Well... Posted by: Suz
But OT ethics are what he wants
Posted by: Afban on Sep 28, 2007 2:45 PM   
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"You'd think someone who's presumably read the Old Testament once or twice in his life would appreciate the progress that humans have made in applied ethics since then."

Two things to point out about this: first, Medved probably hasn't read the entire OT. Second, even if he has, OT ethics are pretty much what the guy wants. Oh, sure, he'd leave out the parts about how it's hunky dory for a man to sleep with one of the slaves if his wife can't get pregnant or how men would have to marry their brothers' widows, but I think when wingnuts like Medved read the OT, they pretty much think, "Those were the good old days!"

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Revisionism
Posted by: opeluboy on Sep 28, 2007 5:04 PM   
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Yes, Medved is a wonderful, if nauseating, revisionist. He also likes to tell the fable that no Palestinians were in Palestine when the Zionists ran them out and that no Israelis live on any land that ever belonged to Palestinians, blah, blah, blah and if you don't believe this, you know what you are, don't you? That's right Jew-hater, an anti-Semite neo-Nazi!

Medved's show basically exists to promote the supremacist Likudnik agenda, as does the equally bile-producing Dennis Prager's (Mr. Vocabulary - what a putz!) torturous show, though once in a while they wander from this topic to promote some other hideously racist, ignorant and arrogant idea. Oh, yes, and to do a little flag-waving (they must appear to give a shit about America after all). Both also go to great lengths to drape themselves in ersatz religiosity in a continuing effort to suck in the ignorant Christianists and keep the bucks and the carte blanche rolling in for guess what country? Nope, not Ireland.

Medved, like most Zionists holding forth on radio and TV, is unconcerned with facts and knows very well that simply repeating a lie over and over eventually makes it true. Sorta like Saddam "throwing the weapons inspectors out" or Barak's "Generous Offer."

Medved displays, like most Zionists, a faux concern for minorities (helps make one appear human) but can't help revealing his true amorality and belief in his own superiority from time to time with near magical lapses of compassion.

For instance, Blacks certainly deserve no reparations, or pesky Native Americans. Of course the telling point here is that Medved and his smarmy ilk believe adamantly that every Jew that ever lived does indeed deserve them, and so spend their entire lives lobbying for just that, at our expense.

Vomit bag anyone?

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» Medved a self-hating Jew? Posted by: RedAaron
Slavery was legal...
Posted by: Nigelthebriton on Sep 29, 2007 3:40 AM   
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...Medved. It was certainly ancient, as you say. But it was never right.

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» RE: And I'm sure Medved would agree Posted by: SatanicJamboree
How many rants does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Posted by: hagwind on Sep 29, 2007 5:48 AM   
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I clicked on this blog because I wanted to know who Michael Medved was and why I should care about what he thinks. When I got to the end, I still didn't know. So I looked him up in Wikipedia. Now I know who he is, but I still don't know why I should care what he thinks. I'm not even sure I know what he thinks about slavery in the U.S.: Jillian's rant is borderline incoherent. Fine for a blog. Not so fine for political commentary.

It's hard to write commentary that rises above what it's commenting on, especially when the subject is another writer's commentary and most especially when the commenter is mostly into scoring points. Sure, ranting is fun. It gives a writer the chance to show off her command of invective. But too much ranting to a less than critical audience promotes really sloppy thinking, and once you're in the habit of mistaking rant for commentary, it's hard to do otherwise. Ranting is easy; thinking is hard, and finding the right words to express your thoughts is even harder. Go ahead -- take on Michael Medved or Bill O'Reilly or any of these other neocon men, but imagine that your audience includes people who are leaning in their direction. It'll improve your writing no end, and who knows, you might even help change a mind or two.

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Change of minds
Posted by: frank69 on Sep 29, 2007 7:17 AM   
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As Dan Quale once said: "It's terrible if one loses one's mind." Anyone who thinks that statements by people like Medved shouldn't be condemned outright, must have only one oar in the water. Medved and his ilk deal in plain old bullshit.

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As Lincoln said
Posted by: Nickdanger007 on Sep 29, 2007 8:13 AM   
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If you think slavery wasn't so bad, try it for yourself.

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Sheesh!
Posted by: Koondog on Sep 29, 2007 9:22 AM   
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This knucklehead has apparently been literally interpreting the Talmud.

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Finally!
Posted by: g on Sep 29, 2007 11:58 AM   
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Someone who makes O'Reilly look good!

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» RE: Finally! Posted by: tap17x
Now as I recall...
Posted by: goeswithness on Sep 29, 2007 2:01 PM   
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I think we might have to credit England with the beginning of the end of slavery - they courted and made celebrities out of famous American abolitionists, giving them resources and fame, and thus, they helped them be taken seriously. And didn't they have some influence over the south in the civil war? That part I'm sketchy about, but I do remember the bolstering of abolitionists.

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A few notes on this excellent post.
Posted by: Morgaine Swann on Sep 29, 2007 2:30 PM   
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1. For a Zionist Jew, Medved makes a hell of a Good German. He can shovel the party line with the best of them.

2. America killed a few hundred thousand people trying to end slavery. Most contemporary European countries did it without shedding a drop of blood.

3. America is the richest country in the world because the people who invaded here were willing to commit theft, rape, slavery and genocide for profit. Christian trappings notwithstanding, these were the cruelest, greediest, most racist people ever to inhabit the planet. Unfortunately, their descendants are still running our government. Ignore the "coincidence" that their grandfathers were in business with the Nazis... if you can.

4. As pointed out in the article, Prison Labor IS SLAVERY.

5. All indications are that with current levels of human trafficking, there are more slaves in the United States right now than at any time during its history.

6. Contrary to the speculations of white academicians, slavery originated only about 4,000 b.c.e. Check out James DeMeo's SAHARASIA for more about this. Slavery and the Abrahamic religions have the same origins, and the same murderous results.

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The Problem with Medved...
Posted by: smarmos12 on Sep 29, 2007 2:33 PM   
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Well, the main problem with Medved's argument is that he is very objective. He isn't saying "SLAVERY IS GREAT", he just didn't say slavery was bad either.
Everything he says about slavery is mathematical. They are facts, with the exception of the US abolishing slavery early. Americans were late in that game, but not as late as other countries (Brazil abolished slavery in the 1880s; I believe slavery was still legal in many non-western nations then too, but I would have to research it.)
But he is right on a couple things. Compared to what happened with slavery elsewhere in the Americas, the United States was not terrible. The British, French, Spanish and Portuguese were BRUTAL, especially in the mines and sugar plantations. Out of the MILLIONS over slaves brought from Africa, less than a million were brought to the United States, even when we were colonies. Most were thrown into sugar plantations or silver mines, where their life expectancy was three years. And those three years were of work, no sleep, starvation and torture.
The average life expectancy for those in the United States were higher, roughly 30 or so years.
See, they were capitalists back then too. Dehumanizing people for profit.
The article is written with anger and disgust; it's purely emotional argument. Rightly so in many ways, but he should be decried on not saying slavery was a humanitarian crisis like it was. He should have said outright- "Slavery was terrible here...but it could have been worse. You could have been a Native American in the Spanish Empire. Or a slave in Jamaica."

P.S.- Don't tear into Medved's religion or ethnicity. It has no bearing; it would be like me tearing into Ahmadenijad (sp?) for being Muslim and Iranian- "All his arguments are flawed because he is Different." No, argue the guy's points not his person.
P.P.S.- I know I'm being objective too. I'm just throwing in my two cents. Anyone thinks I'm cold or whatever, I have slavery in my ancestry too.

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» smarmos12, what in the... Posted by: mobile68
Medved probably HAS read the OT,
Posted by: tap17x on Sep 29, 2007 3:35 PM   
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in which "God," the worst character in all of fiction, insists that his disgusting little stooges, the ancient Israelites, commit genocide on any tribe that dares get in their way. Killing for land and wealth is ok if it was deeded to you by Big Daddy, after all. Medved probably thinks that's perfectly right, which allows him to excuse hideous behavior by other powers.

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After reading that...
Posted by: QuestionAuthority on Sep 30, 2007 8:31 AM   
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..I think I'm going to go take a shower in Lysol to get all that s--t off of me.

My God, how can someone even THINK that kind of thing, much less SAY it and expect to be taken seriously?

The veneer of civilization is thin indeed over human belief and behavior.

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maxaron
Posted by: Jack Cohen on Oct 1, 2007 8:35 AM   
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Michael who.....???

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Hysterical straw man b.s.
Posted by: hexenduction on Oct 1, 2007 11:30 AM   
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Careful, Jillian, that all your jumping up-and-down and frantic arm-waving doesn't cause the giant straw man you built to topple over and crush you. Medved isn't saying that slavery wasn't so bad, and he's certainly not defending it. You've fabricated the conceit of your rant: the one that's added an imaginary phrase after every bulleted graf that says, "...so therefore, slavery's great!" This article could've been half as long and wasted half my time if you just removed all the dorm-room dramatics and instead concentrated on forming a rhetorically sound argument. You look like a way bigger fool than Medved.

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» RE: Hysterical straw man b.s. Posted by: SatanicJamboree